Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[alexxx]

 

WOW GAME OVER!!!!!

[Hulkster]

 

great shot. From the quads, I would guess its from about 1999.

1998- quads didn't have much seperation

1999 - quads were practically perfect

2000 - too heavy, huge turnip like quads.

2001 - puffy, holding water

2002 - sharper, but depleted and flat

2003 - super huge with good cuts

2004 - not as impressive as 2003

2005- quads sharp, but down in size

2006 -??

Ronnie's quads have looked different every year.

[NeoSeminole]

it's actually from the 2001 ASC

[Hulkster]

it's actually from the 2001 ASC

I was just about to say that it could be from there too .

Ronnie's AC look was very very similar to his 99 olympia look.



sorry, I just couldn't resist

[pumpster]

Quick ND come up with another excuse..

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[Hulkster]

its funny how way way back in the begining of this thread (and other similar threads) ND always made the argument that even though ronnie had better biceps, he did not necessarily have a better front double bi.

And the reason for that was what I have been saying all along (but no one believed me):

there are many, many, good shots of dorian on the net.

there are very, very few of peak Ronnie.

I love it when I am right!

[nicorulez]

Delta, I usually agree with you man.  Dorian was awesome in 1993.  I have never denied such...even ND can admit to this.  However, he has never been particularly impressive from the front double bi.  Side triceps...excellent.  Back....amazing.  Even his hams and thighs were good...not great.  However, his biceps have always been very average.  Now, in the famous B&W photos, he had good size.  However, they never had that aesthetic shape that just made you go WoW!  Ronnie, incredible arms every year except 2002.  Don't know what the hell he did that year, but they looked weird.

[suckmymuscle]

hahahahahahahahahahahah
Never once has the gut been denied! Too bad Yates had the gut PLUS the wide waist PLUS less width to offset it huh?

  Oh, Poop, but Ronnie had the distended belly + poor abdominal definition + lack of overrall details. That is, I mean, if we're talking about the 2003/4 Ronnie. The 1993/5 Dorian certainly had no wide waist and did have tremendous width.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

triceps (very debatable),

  Sorry, but no. It is not debatable that Dorian had a vastly superior triceps than Ronnie. It is even less debatable when the tricpeps are called into play, on the side triceps comparison.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

; however, Dorian in 1997 was 10-15 lbs heavier than in 1993 and looked like a "shadow" of his former self.  For this, there is no debate. ND, compare Dorian 1993 to Ronnie and we have a good show.  To compare Dorian from other years is a stretch at best.

  While it's true that Dorian was at his worst in 1997, he still had incredible hardness, dryness and his fulness was at his all-time best. Sure, he had a distended midsection and, by that and that alone, a strong argument could be made that he should have lost. Yet, even with a distended midsetion, he still had a six-pack. All the bottom pics - except the most muscular - are from the 1997 Olympia and they prove my point.

The last pic is by far the most impressive pic I have ever seen.  For Sucky to even compare that atrocity known as a Most Muscular is laughable at best. 

  How is Dorian's not a great most muscular? Ok, his delt tie-ins are not as separated as Ronnie's, but his chest is increidbly thick and striated and his traps are humoungous!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Sorry, but no. It is not debatable that Dorian had a vastly superior triceps than Ronnie. It is even less debatable when the tricpeps are called into play, on the side triceps comparison.

ha ha, I'm sorry but those pics show Ronnie is better. His shoulders and triceps are striated while Dorian's look smooth. Ronnie also has thicker pecs. What's even more pathetic than Sucky owning himself is that Ronnie isn't even in contest shape yet in those pics.

[delta9mda]

Delta, I usually agree with you man.  Dorian was awesome in 1993.  I have never denied such...even ND can admit to this.  However, he has never been particularly impressive from the front double bi.  Side triceps...excellent.  Back....amazing.  Even his hams and thighs were good...not great.  However, his biceps have always been very average.  Now, in the famous B&W photos, he had good size.  However, they never had that aesthetic shape that just made you go WoW!  Ronnie, incredible arms every year except 2002.  Don't know what the hell he did that year, but they looked weird.

i understand. i think we can all agree yates bis were not his strong point and we can blame the 70's for the chest and bis generation and the fact that ronnies bis are so peaked, it is what it is. the way these guys are disrespecting a 6x mr o is stupid. i know i have not ripped on ron personally. it will go to 300 pages easy.

[suckmymuscle]

ha ha, I'm sorry but those pics show Ronnie is better. His shoulders and triceps are striated while Dorian's look smooth. Ronnie also has thicker pecs. What's even more pathetic than Sucky owning himself is that Ronnie isn't even in contest shape yet in those pics.

  Utter bias from a Ronnie spooge-licker. Dorian's triceps have longer muscle bellies and superior shape. And they are in balance with the rest of his physique on the side triceps comparison. No contest. To say otherwise contradicts logic, reason and common sense. When it comes to the side triceps, the abs-and-thighs and the front lat spread, Dorian simply rapes Ronnie in the pooper.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Utter bias from a Ronnie spooge-licker. Dorian's triceps have longer muscle bellies and superior shape. And they are in balance with the rest of his physique on the side triceps comparison. No contest. To say otherwise contradicts logic, reason and common sense.

Even ND will tell you there's more to a pose than one muscle. Ronnie's triceps are just as big as Dorian's but his triceps and shoulders are striated while Dorian's look smooth. Ronnie also has thicker pecs. Even his midsection looks just as good, if not better, than Dorian's in the pics you provided. To say otherwise contradicts logic, reason, and common sense. 

When it comes to the side triceps, the abs-and-thighs and the front lat spread, Dorian simply rapes Ronnie in the pooper.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I was just about to say that it could be from there too .

Ronnie's AC look was very very similar to his 99 olympia look.



sorry, I just couldn't resist

Of course you can't resist try putting it up against a great shot of Dorian , you think the only prerequsite for having a great front double bicep shot is highpeaked biceps , you neglect the following

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.


While Ronnie certainly has the better biceps , the judges are looking for just a tad more , and while even Ronnie has the better quads in that shot , he's still doesn't compare well with Yates on forearms , calves , Ronnie's chest is once again flat its not showing Dorian's thickness & density , not to mention overall muscle density & muscular balance . so while Yates may lose this shot just based on biceps & quads , he still would beat Ronnie in the sidechest , sidetriceps , abdominal & thigh , front & rear latspreads and I would say back double biceps and well even give that one to Ronnie Dorian would still edge out Coleman with more mantadories.

[NeoSeminole]

While Ronnie certainly has the better biceps , the judges are looking for just a tad more , and while even Ronnie has the better quads in that shot , he's still doesn't compare well with Yates on forearms , calves, Ronnie's chest is once again flat its not showing Dorian's thickness & density , not to mention overall muscle density & muscular balance.

I concede that Dorian has better forearms and calves, but you cannot say Dorian has a thicker chest than Ronnie. Look at the way both of them pose in the front double biceps. Ronnie stands more upright and flexes his abs while Dorian puffs out his chest more. Dorian displays his chest at an angle to reveal more thickness. However, this also makes the pecs look smaller. Ronnie's chest appears to cover half of his torso while Dorian's only covers 1/3. Here is a better pic which shows Ronnie's chest is thicker.



The judging criteria you posted for the front double biceps included this:

"The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed in this pose."

"The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and posterior sections of the biceps..."

So even though the judges look at forearms and calves, the main emphasis is placed on biceps. Ronnie destroys Dorian in this regard. He also beats Dorian in the pec-delt tie-ins, ab definition and thighs, and holds his own in the chest. This leaves forearms and calves for Dorian. In a competition, 1st + 1st + 2nd is better than 2nd + 2nd + 1st (I oversimplified this for you ND so you can understand).

so while Yates may lose this shot just based on biceps & quads, he still would beat Ronnie in the sidechest , sidetriceps , abdominal & thigh , front & rear latspreads and I would say back double biceps and well even give that one to Ronnie Dorian would still edge out Coleman with more mantadories.

Ronnie says "ND be smokin dat crack"

[sculpture]

Of course you can't resist try putting it up against a great shot of Dorian , you think the only prerequsite for having a great front double bicep shot is highpeaked biceps , you neglect the following

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.


While Ronnie certainly has the better biceps , the judges are looking for just a tad more , and while even Ronnie has the better quads in that shot , he's still doesn't compare well with Yates on forearms , calves , Ronnie's chest is once again flat its not showing Dorian's thickness & density , not to mention overall muscle density & muscular balance . so while Yates may lose this shot just based on biceps & quads , he still would beat Ronnie in the sidechest , sidetriceps , abdominal & thigh , front & rear latspreads and I would say back double biceps and well even give that one to Ronnie Dorian would still edge out Coleman with more mantadories.

My god. Just when will you learn. You spout utter bollocks. Invisible biceps, average upper back detail, calves overpowering quads (yes its possible, so dont bother denying it) all detract from the back double bicep. On closer inspection you can even see a left to right lat assymmetry, buy hey ND after all nothin in nature is symmetrical so i guess we can't criticize dorian for that (who are you kidding?).

As for rear lat spread, this IS ronnies pose and while dorians is good ronnies is simply better.

[natural al]

My god. Just when will you learn. You spout utter bollocks. Invisible biceps, average upper back detail, calves overpowering quads (yes its possible, so dont bother denying it) all detract from the back double bicep. On closer inspection you can even see a left to right lat assymmetry, buy hey ND after all nothin in nature is symmetrical so i guess we can't criticize dorian for that (who are you kidding?).

As for rear lat spread, this IS ronnies pose and while dorians is good ronnies is simply better.

wow...I didn't know they judged the quads in a rear double bi....

I also love how dorians back was considered the best in the worlds from 93 to at least 96 and now it's referred to as having average detail...

[pumpster]

Quote from: suckmymuscle on Today at 02:00:42 AM
Sorry, but no. It is not debatable that Dorian had a vastly superior triceps than Ronnie. It is even less debatable when the tricpeps are called into play, on the side triceps comparison.

Quote from: suckmymuscle on Today at 02:36:22 AM
Utter bias from a Ronnie spooge-licker. Dorian's triceps have longer muscle bellies and superior shape. And they are in balance with the rest of his physique on the side triceps comparison. No contest.

I've already said, then unlike SUCKY backed it up with proof, that at best Yates gets a draw on tris, because Coleman's got far more size-something ND acknowledges and SUCKY won't. Coleman has cuts that are close to Yates, coupled with far greater size. To ignore the huge size difference is to make it clear that he is once again a Yates groupie lacking impartiality.

Yes, those tris are almost in balance with those sad biceps, that's the problem! They're both supposed to be a lot bigger to be great!

How is Dorian's not a great most muscular? Ok, his delt tie-ins are not as separated as Ronnie's, but his chest is increidbly thick and striated and his traps are humoungous!

You live in ND's dreamworld if you think that-Haney is one of the few who come to mind with a MM that is worse than this tier-B nightmare..

[sculpture]

wow...I didn't know they judged the quads in a rear double bi....

I also love how dorians back was considered the best in the worlds from 93 to at least 96 and now it's referred to as having average detail...

Perhaps i should re phrase myself for the more remedial members of the board who couldn't logically deduce what i meant:

calves overpowering upper legs/thighs

Sorry natural al, i forget you might be reading this. I'll try and make my posts more clearer and easier to understand in the future by using primarily monosyllabic words. 

[pumpster]

Invisible biceps, average upper back detail, calves overpowering quads (yes its possible, so dont bother denying it) all detract from the back double bicep. On closer inspection you can even see a left to right lat assymmetry, buy hey ND after all nothin in nature is symmetrical so i guess we can't criticize dorian for that (who are you kidding?).

As for rear lat spread, this IS ronnies pose and while dorians is good ronnies is simply better.

This is about it in a nutshell. Sergio says it even more economically: "Yates has no arms and a belly like a cow". hahahahahahahahahahahaha h

[natural al]

Perhaps i should re phrase myself for the more remedial members of the board who couldn't logically deduce what i meant:

calves overpowering upper legs/thighs

Sorry natural al, i forget you might be reading this. I'll try and make my posts more clearer and easier to understand in the future by using primarily monosyllabic words. 

well jr. when you go and pic apart everything someone else says and say that it's bull you kinda leave yourself open don't ya?  Don't dumb anything down for me...I just stopped in to see what was going on, I have no intentions of sticking around and playing your little games. 

Yeah, I'm a remedial member...what are you doing right now...I'm making almost 6 figures to type on this board....yeah, I'm remedial....

[pumpster]

I'm a remedial member...what are you doing right now...I'm making almost 6 figures to type on this board....yeah, I'm remedial....

That's encouraging! Bush can be prez and another cognitively challenged Yates nut-hugger  can make a living!

Get this clue (i'm using simple words): whatever you thought of Yates' back 10 years ago, he's blown out of the water here..

[natural al]

That's encouraging! Bush can be prez and another cognitively challenged Yates nut-hugger  can make a living!

nope slick, I busted my ass...didn't need bush.  Worked in a shop for 10 years busting my balls as a die repairman working 60 hours a week and going to school full time with 2 kids....funny how you say I'm a yates nut hugger when all I really do is call you guys out when you try to rewrite history by saying stuff like he was b-tier, which you know is bullshit.

[sculpture]

well jr. when you go and pic apart everything someone else says and say that it's bull you kinda leave yourself open don't ya?  Don't dumb anything down for me...I just stopped in to see what was going on, I have no intentions of sticking around and playing your little games. 

Yeah, I'm a remedial member...what are you doing right now...I'm making almost 6 figures to type on this board....yeah, I'm remedial....

If and when i'm earning 6 figures you can be dammed sure i won't be hanging around bbing boards being owned by individuals who are my junior.