Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[natural al]

If and when i'm earning 6 figures you can be dammed sure i won't be hanging around bbing boards being owned by individuals who are my junior. 

when did you own me?  second, if you can ever get paid to post on a board then good for you.  Third, I ain't all that old buddy, early 30's.  Fourth, when you make a mistake and get called on it don't get so bent out of shape.  You said thighs...I was being a smart ass.  Simple fact is that this is the most worthless waste of space in this boards history..unstoppable force meet immovable object.

[sculpture]

when did you own me?  second, if you can ever get paid to post on a board then good for you.  Third, I ain't all that old buddy, early 30's.  Fourth, when you make a mistake and get called on it don't get so bent out of shape.  You said thighs...I was being a smart ass.  Simple fact is that this is the most worthless waste of space in this boards history..unstoppable force meet immovable object.

Bent out of shape? I find all of this hilarious, particularly pumpsters put downs on you.

You're actually getting paid to post on this board?

Or do you mean youre at work having a skive?

[natural al]

That's encouraging! Bush can be prez and another cognitively challenged Yates nut-hugger  can make a living!

Get this clue (i'm using simple words): whatever you thought of Yates' back 10 years ago, he's blown out of the water here..

put arnolds back up there or even your boy sergio and they would be buried by either one of them...are they b-tier?  That's where youre logic is wrong.  You can't rewrite history to match today's standards.  You can't say Ty Cobb sucks because he might not be effective today.  The drug use today is so totally overwhelming that it skews everything.  Look at the pics you're posting of ronnie from 99 or so and compare them to the ronnie of today, night and day.  The hardness the detail the shape everything has changed.  Now if Ron would have stayed the way he was or at least was comparable to what he was when he won his first O, I'd never say a word.  

[natural al]

Bent out of shape? I find all of this hilarious, particularly pumpsters put downs on you.

You're actually getting paid to post on this board?

Or do you mean youre at work having a skive?

then you didn't read the thead back when we were going at it.  If owning someone means ignoring what they say and continue to post the same pics over and over again and saying either a) it's a conspiricy or b) it's all because I go to ironage-which I don't, then I guess I got owned.  If owning means calling a guy out and then him never responding to your challenges then I guess I owned him.

yes, I get paid to work on a computer that has internet access and since I work at a company that is worldwide I can take it easy sometimes and post on this board.....and I get free health insurance..the joys of working for a company based outside of the US...

[sculpture]

then you didn't read the thead back when we were going at it.  If owning someone means ignoring what they say and continue to post the same pics over and over again and saying either a) it's a conspiricy or b) it's all because I go to ironage-which I don't, then I guess I got owned.  If owning means calling a guy out and then him never responding to your challenges then I guess I owned him.

yes, I get paid to work on a computer that has internet access and since I work at a company that is worldwide I can take it easy sometimes and post on this board.....and I get free health insurance..the joys of working for a company based outside of the US...

Hey if you like to chase after certain members on this board (pumpster), then feel free.

And doin it at work, hey even better.

Enjoy you non - us based company.

They'd be so proud to see what you're achieving on these boards.

[natural al]

Hey if you like to chase after certain members on this board (pumpster), then feel free.

And doin it at work, hey even better.

Enjoy you non - us based company.

They'd be so proud to see what you're achieving on these boards.

I don't chase anybody, we went at it and that was that.  I haven't posted here in weeks so there goes that one. 

And I'm smiling all day long, don't worry your little head.

I'm sure my company wouldn't like it but you know what?  What they don't know won't hurt em. 

Maybe you're just mad cause they don't have computers at burger king and you can't post from your job?

[sculpture]

I don't chase anybody, we went at it and that was that.  I haven't posted here in weeks so there goes that one. 

And I'm smiling all day long, don't worry your little head.

I'm sure my company wouldn't like it but you know what?  What they don't know won't hurt em. 

Maybe you're just mad cause they don't have computers at burger king and you can't post from your job?

A cursory glance at your recent posts immediately disproves youre first statement.

You can smile, cry, grimace, whatever, it doesnt matter one little bit to me.

Does it make you feel naughty knowing youre pulling the wool over your company's eyes?

I wouldn't know. I wouldnt eat at burger king let alone work there.

[natural al]

A cursory glance at your recent posts immediately disproves youre first statement.

You can smile, cry, grimace, whatever, it doesnt matter one little bit to me.

Does it make you feel naughty knowing youre pulling the wool over your company's eyes?

I wouldn't know. I wouldnt eat at burger king let alone work there.

so who's stalking who?  When was my last post here on this thread?  I don't even know, since you know so much about me maybe you can tell me.  Did we argue?  Sure but it was no different than what you and I are doing right here, that's the whole point of this thread.  In case you have not figured it out it's all about bitching and moaning and no one is ever gonna change thier mind so that's why I don't post here anymore.  No, I don't feel naughty, if you ever get a job in an office you'll see that this is the way things are, everybody does it.  Doesn't make it right but that's the way it is.  Kinda like pro's using roids, everybody does it but no one says a word.  You're not gonna make me feel guilty so stop it, you're wasting your time, slim.  This whole thing with you is even more pointless than this thread.  Now stop stalking me and looking at my post history and we'll be fine.....I gotta go do some cardio on my lunch so I'll be gone for awhile, then I have meetings so..that's it for me, have fun fighting over nothing.  BTW, junior...if you get this worked up over stuff on a message board you might want to stop taking caffine for awhile.

[sculpture]

so who's stalking who?  When was my last post here on this thread?  I don't even know, since you know so much about me maybe you can tell me.  Did we argue?  Sure but it was no different than what you and I are doing right here, that's the whole point of this thread.  In case you have not figured it out it's all about bitching and moaning and no one is ever gonna change thier mind so that's why I don't post here anymore.  No, I don't feel naughty, if you ever get a job in an office you'll see that this is the way things are, everybody does it.  Doesn't make it right but that's the way it is.  Kinda like pro's using roids, everybody does it but no one says a word.  You're not gonna make me feel guilty so stop it, you're wasting your time, slim.  This whole thing with you is even more pointless than this thread.  Now stop stalking me and looking at my post history and we'll be fine.....I gotta go do some cardio on my lunch so I'll be gone for awhile, then I have meetings so..that's it for me, have fun fighting over nothing.  BTW, junior...if you get this worked up over stuff on a message board you might want to stop taking caffine for awhile.

Meltdown

The average amount of work someone based in an office for 8 hours actually does has been shown to be a measly 1.5 hrs.

The other 6.5?

You guessed it. Lurking on getbig.com

[pumpster]

How much actual office time is required in his case, working in the Cayman Islands selling refurbished Total Gyms out the back door?

[natural al]

How much actual office time is required in his case, working in the Cayman Islands selling refurbished Total Gyms out the back door?

nahhhhh.....designing and assuring safety standards are met for various automotive parts, I do R&D, testing, prototyping...whole bunch of stuff. 

Meltdown

The average amount of work someone based in an office for 8 hours actually does has been shown to be a measly 1.5 hrs.

The other 6.5?

You guessed it. Lurking on getbig.com

not really a meltdown...and you wish you could work 8hrs and spend 6.5 on getbig..don't kid yourself.

[sculpture]

What happened to the cardio?

Don't tell me that was it?

[pumpster]

What happened to the cardio?

He's on the Yates 5-min. program.

[natural al]

He's on the Yates 5-min. program.

nahhhh..had a quick meeting and checked the board when I got out, just got back from an hour on the treadmill...another meeting in a few min........thanks for noticing and you say I'm the stalker eh, sculpture...go do your chores before your mom yells at you.  Where you even following the sport when yates competed?

[NarcissisticDeity]

I concede that Dorian has better forearms and calves, but you cannot say Dorian has a thicker chest than Ronnie. Look at the way both of them pose in the front double biceps. Ronnie stands more upright and flexes his abs while Dorian puffs out his chest more. Dorian displays his chest at an angle to reveal more thickness. However, this also makes the pecs look smaller. Ronnie's chest appears to cover half of his torso while Dorian's only covers 1/3. Here is a better pic which shows Ronnie's chest is thicker.



The judging criteria you posted for the front double biceps included this:

"The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed in this pose."

"The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and posterior sections of the biceps..."

So even though the judges look at forearms and calves, the main emphasis is placed on biceps. Ronnie destroys Dorian in this regard. He also beats Dorian in the pec-delt tie-ins, ab definition and thighs, and holds his own in the chest. This leaves forearms and calves for Dorian. In a competition, 1st + 1st + 2nd is better than 2nd + 2nd + 1st (I oversimplified this for you ND so you can understand).

Ronnie says "ND be smokin dat crack"

I concede that Dorian has better forearms and calves, but you cannot say Dorian has a thicker chest than Ronnie. Look at the way both of them pose in the front double biceps. Ronnie stands more upright and flexes his abs while Dorian puffs out his chest more. Dorian displays his chest at an angle to reveal more thickness. However, this also makes the pecs look smaller. Ronnie's chest appears to cover half of his torso while Dorian's only covers 1/3. Here is a better pic which shows Ronnie's chest is thicker.

WoW you concede lol now its plainly obvious Dorian has much better calves & forearms , so by saying you concede you're not doing me any favors. and I said in the ( pay attention here ) front double bicep shot Dorian's chest thickness is apparent and Ronnie's goes flat just pointing out a fact , I didn't say in gerneral his chest is thicker.


The judging criteria you posted for the front double biceps included this:

"The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed in this pose."

"The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and posterior sections of the biceps..."

So even though the judges look at forearms and calves, the main emphasis is placed on biceps. Ronnie destroys Dorian in this regard. He also beats Dorian in the pec-delt tie-ins, ab definition and thighs, and holds his own in the chest. This leaves forearms and calves for Dorian. In a competition, 1st + 1st + 2nd is better than 2nd + 2nd + 1st (I oversimplified this for you ND so you can understand).

Ronnie says "ND be smokin dat crack"

Wow you neglected the other parts of the judging criteria , so let me repost it for you.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

While its plainly obvious Ronnie's biceps are just so much more better than Dorians , Dorian has strenghts in this pose reguardless if you choose to gloss over them . Dorian's forearms are just better shaped and thicker , deltoids in this shot as well as the pec-delt-tie-ins are a push , how you made the leap of saying Ronnie's in this shot is better is beyond me , now in this particular pose Dorian's chest is thicker and it can be clearly seen , abdominals lets get serious Ronnie has terrible shaped abs and always has , Dorian's whole midsection while being wider was much sharper . quads Ronnie at his best has the better quads but he's lacking in calves so this throws off his lower balance , Dorian has superior muscle density at the same weight as Ronnie period . definition is a push and Dorian easily trumps Ronnie on overall balance , so while you may not think so Dorian more than holds his own in this pose in fact he's beaten many a great bodybuilder with better biceps & quads .

[suckmymuscle]

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Even ND will tell you there's more to a pose than one muscle. Ronnie's triceps are just as big as Dorian's but his triceps and shoulders are striated while Dorian's look smooth. Ronnie also has thicker pecs. Even his midsection looks just as good, if not better, than Dorian's in the pics you provided. To say otherwise contradicts logic, reason, and common sense.  

  Utter nonsense. Dorian destroys Ronnie, on the side triceps shot in every way that counts: his triceps stretch longer and inserts lower on the tendom, it has a triangular shape that Ronnie can't match and the three heads are more balanced. At their best, Dorian destroys Ronnie. No contest.







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  Dorian looks better than Ronnie in all the comparisons you've posted. You have just fucked yourself in the ass.

[pumpster]

  Utter nonsense. Dorian destroys Ronnie, on the side triceps shot in every way that counts:

"Utter nonsense", then he posts these pics in which Coleman's as good or better, with a huge size advantage SUCKY has never comprended and never brings up!

All the rest of his babbling-"shape", "longer stretch ", etc. are just subjective matters of taste, just filler baby! Stick to reality for once:

-Coleman's very close on cuts, not a huge difference.
-Coleman's waaaay ahead on size - anyone with half a brain can figure out that you don't get to 23" arms cold on just biceps!

SUCKY =DUH!

[NarcissisticDeity]

My god. Just when will you learn. You spout utter bollocks. Invisible biceps, average upper back detail, calves overpowering quads (yes its possible, so dont bother denying it) all detract from the back double bicep. On closer inspection you can even see a left to right lat assymmetry, buy hey ND after all nothin in nature is symmetrical so i guess we can't criticize dorian for that (who are you kidding?).

As for rear lat spread, this IS ronnies pose and while dorians is good ronnies is simply better.

No his biceps at his peak were good enough ' invisable ' is a biased term that shows you can't gauge with any objectivity. average upper back detail? lol so we can look at any ' average ' bodybuilder and they'll have upperbacks just like Dorian? do you see how retarded that statement sounds? ' calves overpowering his quads ' I couldn't make this up if I tried lol pure garbage by having calves that ' overpowered ' his quads his calves would have to be larger than his quads , which is pure bull. his legs in fact have better balance than Ronnie his calves/quads/hamstrings/glutes all compliment one other with Ronnie you have very small calves , giant quads , and a gigantic ass that sticks out from the front , now lets entertain your monumental stupidity for just a nano second , and say Dorian's calves did in fact ' overpower ' his quads for you to point that out makes you a hypocrite because Ronnie's quads overpower his calves but thats okay by you because it serves your puropose   oh not to mention Ronnie's biceps/triceps overpower his forearms but you're a Coleman fan thats just fine .

I'm sure Dorian's lats aren't totaly symmetrical but neither are Ronnies hence why I've never said anything about it , because its not so grossly out of whack that it is blatantly obvious , and both Ronnie's calves are grossly asymmetrical but thats okay by you   ( hypocrite )

And according to you the rear lat spread " IS " Ronnies pose , well maybe you like but compared to Dorian it's lacking , heres why.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

At their respective bests I would say Dorian has a slight advantage in lat width but for arguments sake we'll say its even . what is NOT even is calves which the judges are specifically looking for and seeing lat width would be a push this is where Dorian starts walking away from Ronnie , couple that with Dorian's edge in muscle density and balance , Ronnie would NOT stand a chance in this shot. while he would have an edge in V-taper I don't see anywhere in the judging criteria that states they're looking for the athelete with the best V-taper , his calves are a major liability in this pose .

[NarcissisticDeity]

author=NeoSeminole link=topic=69359.msg1204151#msg1204151 date=1153205383]
  Utter nonsense. Dorian destroys Ronnie, on the side triceps shot in every way that counts: his triceps stretch longer and inserts lower on the tendom, it has a triangular shape that Ronnie can't match and the three heads are more balanced. At their best, Dorian destroys Ronnie. No contest.








  Dorian looks better than Ronnie in all the comparisons you've posted. You have just fucked yourself in the ass.

Whats funny is they're not even scaled right and Yates just destroys Ronnie in them , look front double & rear biceps are debateable , front & rear latspreads , side chest & triceps , ab-thigh are NOT Yates is clearly better in these poses .

[pumpster]

Whats funny is they're not even scaled right and Yates just destroys Ronnie in them

What's even funnier is a novice thinking that Yates can ever "destroy" Coleman with  17" twigs arms that are 4" or more smaller than Coleman's. Aint possible on any upper body shot given Yates' inadequacies and imbalances involving a barrel chest. Now that's funny! hahahahahahahaah

[NarcissisticDeity]

What's even funnier is a novice thinking that Yates can ever "destroy" Coleman with  17" arms that are 4" smaller than Coleman's. Aint possible on any upper body shot given Yates' inadequacies and imbalances caused by the barrel chest. Now that's funny! hahahahahahahaah

Wow 17" huh? please share with the board when you personally measured Dorian's arms? and is that by the way Dorian at his best?    yeah I thought so , does this look like a 17" arm? you fear posting good pictures of Yates for a reason.

[toty21]

Wow 17" huh? please share with the board when you personally measured Dorian's arms? and is that by the way Dorian at his best?    yeah I thought so , does this look like a 17" arm? you fear posting good pictures of Yates for a reason.

I am sorry to tell you mate...but in all these pics you've just posted, Dorian doesn't look impressive at all, specially when compared to Ronnie. Dorian's upper body just wasn't meant for bodybuilding. He had a good back, but that was about it. I really never understood, how he won any Mr. Olympia. He just doesn't look like a bodubuilder.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I am sorry to tell you mate...but in all these pics you've just posted, Dorian doesn't look impressive at all, specially when compared to Ronnie. Dorian's upper body just wasn't meant for bodybuilding. He had a good back, but that was about it. I really never understood, how he won any Mr. Olympia. He just doesn't look like a bodubuilder.

You're entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you .

[suckmymuscle]

average upper back detail, calves overpowering quads (yes its possible, so dont bother denying it)
As for rear lat spread, this IS ronnies pose and while dorians is good ronnies is simply better.

  No. Monster bullshit. If anything, Dorian has comparable upper back details to Ronnie, when they're both around 250+ lbs, with the added bonus that Dorian has much greater thickness on his middle back and dryer and more striated lower back.

  As for the calves overpowering his quads, I can assure you that Ronnie's quads overpower his calves to a much, much greater degree. This discrepancy is already evident when they're both at their best, at around 250+ lbs, and becomes a severe liability when Ronnie is 280+ lbs. Dorian's calves are of appropriate size for his quds. But Ronnie's quads are way, way, way too big for his calves. If we're talking about 2003, then Ronnie's calve mass would have to be at least 50% bigger for him to have even the proportions he had in 1998 - and he was already inferior to Dorian bak then!

  Dorian has poor upper back details? I don't think so! He matches Ronnie when they're both at 250+ lbs and far, far surpasses him when Ronnie balloones to 280+ lbs. And he has superior a superior christmas-tree, even when Ronnie is 30 lbs heavier! Check out...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[sculpture]

I am sorry to tell you mate...but in all these pics you've just posted, Dorian doesn't look impressive at all, specially when compared to Ronnie. Dorian's upper body just wasn't meant for bodybuilding. He had a good back, but that was about it. I really never understood, how he won any Mr. Olympia. He just doesn't look like a bodubuilder.

Welcome to what we've been attempting to get across for quite some time.

It just never sinks in unfortunatly.

Example - its been shown that dorian upper back detail isn't on par with say flex or ronnie. When someone mentions that his detail is "average", ND literally takes it at face value, not considering for one minute that it might actually be in reference to his detail relative to ronnie.

Example 2 - when someone says "invisible biceps", again ND thinks we mean that literally.

Example 3 - "17 inch arms". No one truly believes his arms are this size, members are being sarcastic and humourous here yet ND doesnt quite get it.

I've only participated in this thread intermittently yet all these posts by ND conjure up a certain sense of de ja vu.

ND- after 250 pages you're still spouting the exact same points.