It doesn't matter if ND thinks he doesn't "need" supporters, but the fact is that
having support adds credibility.
being the only one who argues something is often a good sign that what you are concluding is flat out wrong.
such is the case here.
Example: any fool can see that Ronnie's arms destroy Dorian's yet ND argues that they are better overall.
He may think he doesn't need supporters to believe he is right, but if he listened to everyone he would not be arguing such a ridiculous conjecture.
Once again you need everyone to agree with you so you can feel secure in your opinion , and whats ironic is if my statements were so far fetched you have this compulsion to cling to them like law , if you really had confidence in your opinion being 100% right you would have responded a few times and realize that I don't know what I'm talking about and left well enough alone but you can't , because you just can't fathom that someone may be better than your hero , now I respond to most of these because you usually add me to a topic you're talking about and directly misquote and then here we are again
Now this whole ' debate ' between you and I started because naturally someone said " What if Coleman & Yates met at their respective bests ? who would win ? "
now you have your opinion and I have mine and the difference is I can look objectively at the situation and you cannot , why? because you're a died-in-the-wool Coleman fan , an Uber-Coleman fan and this is exactly why you can't objectively form and unbiased opinion , and I was routing for Flex Wheeler in 1993 , and NOT Dorian , but it doesn't mean Dorian shouldn't have beat him , I can say that objectively
Now concerning Ronnie-vs-Dorian this where you get your ass handed to you and here is why ( yet again ) at their respective bests , which would have been Dorian either the 1993 or 1995 Mr Olympia and Ronnie 1998 Mr Olympia or 2001 Arnold Classic , Dorian weighed in 93 257lbs and in 1995 255lbs , Ronnie in 98 was 249lbs and 01 he was 247lbs , now neither of them have looked better in a contest that I'm aware of , anyway if they faced off at their respective bests Dorian would win because he already beat Ronnie
seven times before hand !!
Now you can say " Well Ronnie wasn't at his prime when Dorian beat him " and I can respond " Neither was Dorian " Dorian beat Ronnie with a torn tricep/bicep/quad and a bloated gut ( 97 ) and this is while Ronnie was at his ideal competing bodyweight , at the 1996 Mr Olympia Ronnie was 250lbs !! the same as his first Mr Olympia win , the only difference is that in 1998 Ronnie's conditioning was no longer a problem , not that it was before so much , check out the 1996 Night of the Champions , his conditioning was amazing , but in 1998 Chad helped him rid the water in is probalamatic glutes/hams and he squeeked out a very close win on a less that perfect Flex Wheeler
Now if Dorian beat Coleman when he was at his worse he would zero probalem beat Coleman at his best , the only thing new Coleman would have to offer that he didn't previously would have been slightly improved conditioning and ripped glutes & hams , a problem Yates didn't have either , now you can go on-and-on about how Ronnie has superior , arms , delts , chest , back , taper , detail , aesthetics , vascularity , striations , and all of these things would push Ronnie over the edge for a easy victory , but its a
moot-fucking point because he had all of those supposed advantages when he lost to Yates on
seven occasions and it did zero for him
Yates lost only twice in his career , fucking-twice !! thats extremely impressive for a Pro in such a highly competitive & subjective sport as bodybuilding , the first loss was to Momo when Dorian was just 228lbs he came in second , and the only other loss was to the Greatest Mr Olympia winner Lee Haney , he beat Haney in the muscularity round , something that no one ever did in his first Mr Olympia no less !! in fact Dorian never placed lower than 2nd in a Pro contest
Yates beat guys with better symmetry , aesthetics , biceps , triceps , quads , striations , vasculairty , chests , deltoids , detail , tapers , he has competed against them all , a razor sharp 205lb Shawn Ray , an amazing 230lb Flex Wheeler , a 317lb Lou Ferigno , ( like suckmy said ) he competed against the giants , Jean Piere Fux who was 280lbs , Nasser who was 275-280lbs , a gigantic Paul Dillet , a 250lb Kevin Levrone , and beat them all , convincingly !! he beat a 250lb Ronnie Coleman at his worse and you think for one moment he wouldn't beat him at his best ? get serious
all of Coleman's supposed physical advanatges ( like many others ) have done nothing for him when competing against Dorian , this is fact my friend
Now you say I argue " ridiculous conjecture " by stating Dorian has better overall arms , again what part of perhaps I shouldn't have worded it that way didn't you understand? I repharsed it Dorian's sidetriceps look much better than Ronnies and so does his forearms and Hulkster you're guilty of making some really dumb statements , like Dorian has poor biceps , the 1994 Mr Olympia was more controversial than the 1980 lol , Dorian was the most overrated bodybuilder in the history of the sport , Ronnie is aesthetic lol Ronnie deserved to win in 2001 , 2002 , I hate Ronnie , and the list goes on , so don't call the pot black kettle !!
Bottom line , this ' debate ' over who would beat who at their bests has been put to rest , you're just to stupid to realize it and keep clinging to fantasy , a 1993 prime opperating Dorian Yates without any tears would demoralzie a pre-gut Ronnie Coleman reguardless of ANY advatanges ( real or not ) you can conjure up , I tried to end this out of respect for other people but you want to go on kicking & screaming
but I guess I shouldn't have expected you to be a man and admit when you're wrong and admit defeat , but its all good I've enjoyed taking you to school !!
