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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #275 on: May 06, 2006, 08:26:37 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #276 on: May 06, 2006, 08:38:49 PM »
ND...ok, you get the reprieve.  If you do admit that Flex in the 1993 Mr. Olympia would have whooped any version of Dorian I am cool with you.  I agree to disagree however.  Dorian looked very average in 1996; he was going downhill by then.  In fact, many a scribe wrote how Nasser owned him from the front.  If Nasser had 75% of Coleman's back, he would have been a multi-time Mr. Olympia.  However, the pics from 1993 show how good Dorian really was.  If he would have showed up in that condition year in and out, it would have been ballgame.  I agree, 1993 Dorian probably could have taken 1998 Coleman if the judging were legit.  However, by 1999 I feel Ronnie had him pretty easily.  Dorian's side chest was impressive, but Haney was the true master of the side chest.  Dorian had nowhere the thickness in his chest of Haney.  As for Coleman, he pretty much dwarfs Dorian over the past couple of years.  Since size is the apparent name of the game, I don't see how Dorian could have realistically competed.  In fact, Cutler outweighs Dorian year in and out and has better wheels (thighs/hams).  I feel that Dorian came up now, he and Cutler would be fighting it out for 2nd place.  I think Coleman last year or 2003 was just too big.  In 2004, Coleman needed to lose about 10 pounds of water.  In 2001, a 1993 Dorian would have smoke Coleman.  However, a 1997 Dorian would barely make top three now.  I guess the reality is that our debates are just that, opinion.  I see why you like Dorian; man was amazing.  However, he did not keep that condition for more than a couple of years.  Others have stayed at their peak longer.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #277 on: May 06, 2006, 08:39:22 PM »
The more time passes the more Coleman resembles a toad  :P
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #278 on: May 06, 2006, 08:40:21 PM »
It would be funny to notify both Dorian and Ronnie and show them of all these thread wars.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #279 on: May 06, 2006, 08:45:27 PM »
There really should be no debate - Dorian has defeated Coleman 7 or more times. Coleman is like a less aesthetic Dorian with better biceps and a worse gut.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #280 on: May 06, 2006, 08:51:24 PM »
There really should be no debate - Dorian has defeated Coleman 7 or more times. Coleman is like a less aesthetic Dorian with better biceps and a worse gut.

 The debate is about who had the better physique in his prime. Because of the subjective nature of bodybuilding, contest results are not sufficient. Besides, Ronnie wasn't at his best when Yates beat him. Coleman is more aesthetic than Yates and has better shape overall. Dorian had an ugly body. :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #281 on: May 06, 2006, 08:55:14 PM »
They both have guts............the difference is Ronnie's is much bigger. So Ronnie can't be considered more aesthetic.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #282 on: May 06, 2006, 11:24:51 PM »
LOL His quads have nary a cut in them in 2003 , and he is missing 2 things , one calves and two balance & proportion , you need calves damn it lol having poor calves is a liability in any pose !! offseason and this shot just blows any shot out of the water !! man I bet you're wishing for this day to end lol

End of thread, Dorian owns all in that pic.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #283 on: May 07, 2006, 03:10:52 AM »
There really should be no debate - Dorian has defeated Coleman 7 or more times. Coleman is like a less aesthetic Dorian with better biceps and a worse gut.

Coleman made unprecedented changes in 1998, it's not significant.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #284 on: May 07, 2006, 05:35:45 AM »
They both have guts............the difference is Ronnie's is much bigger. So Ronnie can't be considered more aesthetic.

 Yes, he can be. Dorian had a construction worker physique. About as aesthetic as John Goodman.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #285 on: May 07, 2006, 06:15:20 AM »
Dorian had an ugly body. :-\

Dorian himself stated that he wouldn't be too terribly
offended if his physique was not refered to as "beautiful / pretty"



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #286 on: May 07, 2006, 06:28:10 AM »
I'd like to find Arnold's very negative mid-90s comments about Yates' physique-they never seemed to like one another in part because of what he'd said. Something about looking like a powerlifter rather than a BB.  Ron in shape always looks like a BB because of the tapers Yates never had. :D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #287 on: May 07, 2006, 07:17:54 AM »
I'd like to find Arnold's very negative mid-90s comments about Yates' physique-they never seemed to like one another in part because of what he'd said. Something about looking like a powerlifter rather than a BB.  Ron in shape always looks like a BB because of the tapers Yates never had. :D

agreed - how people can say that yates, who has the taper of lou ferrigno at the 92 Olympia, is more aesthetic than this:



shows how biased these guys really are.  Unlike Yates, ronnie looks fantastic just standing there. He doesn't even have to pose..

Yates made having a wide waist a fashionable thing in bodybuilding.  Ronnie has a far more classical looking physique and taper.

Dorian is built like a fridge :-\


ugh.


would smoke the fridge easily- check out difference in arm shape - Ronnie would win easily on so many levels- detail, taper, shape, etc etc.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #288 on: May 07, 2006, 07:44:38 AM »

wide, wide waist, damages taper

classic taper, more aesthetic than this:



by far ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #289 on: May 07, 2006, 07:47:25 AM »

Ronnie has a far more classical looking physique and taper.


It supposed to be "had" because he will never be the "classical looking taper" anymore.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #290 on: May 07, 2006, 07:55:45 AM »
Hulkster you just don't get it do you? lol It doesn't matter if Ronnie has a smaller waist and a better taper , it doesn't matter is he has " classic lines " ( which is laughable ) none of that matters because Dorian beat him with a torn bicep/tricep/quad and a wide bloated waist Ronnie had all these advantages beforehand and he still wasn't good enough to beat a past-his-prime Dorian

Flex had classic lines , Ronnie wasn't even in his leauge and Dorian beat him , its all a moot point , Ronnie had seven chances to knock off a less than perfect Dorian and he failed on all seven occasions , Flex standing relaxed was a work of art and Dorian beat him , keep searching for any small advanatge that you can to think off to push Ronnie over the top , its not going to happen , you and Ronnie are defeated its time you accept it , you've been soundly beaten by Dorian and The NarcissisticDeity .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #291 on: May 07, 2006, 08:01:16 AM »
I agree Hulkster a wide waist does effect taper lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #292 on: May 07, 2006, 10:10:57 AM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #293 on: May 07, 2006, 12:09:03 PM »
Hulkster you just don't get it do you? lol It doesn't matter if Ronnie has a smaller waist and a better taper , it doesn't matter is he has " classic lines " ( which is laughable ) none of that matters because Dorian beat him with a torn bicep/tricep/quad and a wide bloated waist Ronnie had all these advantages beforehand and he still wasn't good enough to beat a past-his-prime Dorian

Flex had classic lines , Ronnie wasn't even in his leauge and Dorian beat him , its all a moot point , Ronnie had seven chances to knock off a less than perfect Dorian and he failed on all seven occasions , Flex standing relaxed was a work of art and Dorian beat him , keep searching for any small advanatge that you can to think off to push Ronnie over the top , its not going to happen , you and Ronnie are defeated its time you accept it , you've been soundly beaten by Dorian and The NarcissisticDeity .

you keep bringing up the fact that flex lost but you are too dumb to realize that Flex had no size.

ronnie had size (and lats) and detail and taper.

Dorian won because he was bigger, not better.

In ronnie he would face someone that combined the best things about flex and ray (detail and lines) with Dorian's size.

dorian would not be able to handle that combo.

And as far as Coleman losing in 1997, well, I think almost everyone would agree that he would have placed a lot hgher had he not been overlooked.

And of course, Coleman 98/99 makes Coleman 97/97 look pitiful.

Look at the pics!!

You seem to be arguing that Coleman 96/97 was the same as 98/99 just a bit harder.

Everyone here is trying to get it through your biased brain that the improvements were a whole lot more than that.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #294 on: May 07, 2006, 12:15:18 PM »
Agreed Hulkster, Ronnie is 1998/1999 was light years ahead of his 1997 form.  However, for the biggest improvement in one year, look at the 2003 Coleman compared to the 2002 Coleman.  Dude put on 40 pounds of rock hard beef and was tighter.  Insane.  Dorian would have shit if he had to face a 2003 Coleman.  No contest.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #295 on: May 07, 2006, 12:57:49 PM »
  Sukster, if you're not blown away by Yates' density and dryness in this picture, then you're a retard. Coleman never looked this hard. Ever. :o :o :o

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #296 on: May 07, 2006, 01:06:00 PM »
Agreed Hulkster, Ronnie is 1998/1999 was light years ahead of his 1997 form.  However, for the biggest improvement in one year, look at the 2003 Coleman compared to the 2002 Coleman.  Dude put on 40 pounds of rock hard beef and was tighter.  Insane.  Dorian would have shit if he had to face a 2003 Coleman.  No contest.

  You're such an idiot. It is amazing! :o :-\ Ronnie looked like crap in 2003. Yes, he was humoungous, which is exactly the reason he sucked. He looked like he was three years pregnant with an alien queen and his musculature completely overblowed his frame. As I have explained again and again, ROONIE'S FRAME CANNOT SUPPORT OVER 260 LBS WITHOUT COMPLETELY DESTROYING HIS STRUCTURAL SYMMETRY.

  Furthermore, as I have also already explained, Dorian defeated several 280 lbs men who LOOKED BETTER than Ronnie at that weight. Ronnie in 2003? Ugly! In 2004? Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu uuuuugly!!!!!! :o :-X

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #297 on: May 07, 2006, 01:16:14 PM »
you keep bringing up the fact that flex lost but you are too dumb to realize that Flex had no size.

ronnie had size (and lats) and detail and taper.

Dorian won because he was bigger, not better.

In ronnie he would face someone that combined the best things about flex and ray (detail and lines) with Dorian's size.

dorian would not be able to handle that combo.

And as far as Coleman losing in 1997, well, I think almost everyone would agree that he would have placed a lot hgher had he not been overlooked.

And of course, Coleman 98/99 makes Coleman 97/97 look pitiful.

Look at the pics!!

You seem to be arguing that Coleman 96/97 was the same as 98/99 just a bit harder.

Everyone here is trying to get it through your biased brain that the improvements were a whole lot more than that.





You're lost seriously , Coleman in 96/97 weighed what he did in 1998 , his demensions didn't get bigger , neither did his balance & proportion , the only thing that did imrpoves was his hardness or conditioning , you think by shedding excess water your back automatically gets wider or calves get bigger lol Coleman didn't need to lose that much water , the only significant improvement Coleman made from the 1997 Mr Olympia to the 1998 was his conditioning , it was dramatic but other than that it was the same Ronnie from 96/97 just hard as nails everywhere

And Dorian won because he was bigger not better? lol great logic , then why didn't Nasser beat Yates , or Fux? or Ferigno ? nonsense , and Dorian faced Ronnie and he had his supposed " lines & taper and width " the only thing missing was Ronnie's overall hardness , and if they did meet do you think Dorian would be able to handle Ronnie's gyno? lol and you act like his " superior " width and taper would be such an advantage it wouldn't , Flex beat Ronnie on more than one occasion and the while NOT being as wide or as heavier as Ronnie , look at the 1998 Mr Olympia Ronnie never looked better at an Olympia apperance and he just barely beat a substandard Flex Wheeler who had no width or weight advantage and he just barely beat Flex and Ronnie with great conditioning could beat and injury-free Yates who's hardness is legendary , again you seem to miss the point where Dorian beat Ronnie when he was at his all-time worse and this is when Ronnie was comming into his own , so keep trying to fit the square peg in the round hole.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #298 on: May 07, 2006, 01:23:45 PM »
Another truly awful yet accurate Yates "classic" that reminds me of someone.. hahahahahha

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #299 on: May 07, 2006, 01:27:31 PM »
Another truly awful yet accurate Yates "classic" that's reminds of Kovaks. hahahahahha

Whoa someone is getting desperate lol this is from the same contest and even at his absolute worse he was still hard as nails !!