Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pumpster]

Haney has amazing shape & size , he combined size & aesthetics like Coleman never could , sure Haney's quads were a tad small for his torso , but were they lacking? nope he has better balance in his legs than Coleman and he has full , diamond shaped calves

You've further discredited yourself with more nonsense: "full, diamond-shaped calves?" Besides making yourself sound like a faggola, it's utter kaka..

Clearly a Haney-Yates tier-B fanatic..

[Hulkster]

Again that picture is NOT one I scanned that pic is legit , he had a gut when he didn't hold his abs in tightly you can't escape that , and your phsycology amazes me , Hulkster let me make this perfectly clear to you

I don't care what a bunch of people I don't know personally on a message board think of me or my opinions

I don't base my opinions on what the majority feel or think , you may find validation in the assurances of others I do not , and its you who usually starts the out of context remarks and others hop on it , but its all good , I don't take this as serious as you and some others , I use this for what it is a place to discuss bodybulding gossip & opinions , so as long as I don't agree with you , you'll still only have 99% of the board who agrees with you  

problem is, ND is that your opinons about Ronnie's physique at his peak are so..umm.. BIZARRE that most of this board questions your motives for saying them.

I mean, really, Dorian has better arms? give me a break.

You say stuff like this because you hate Ronnie's physique and want to discredit him.

I don't believe that you are blind enough to actually believe this stuff.



then again, maybe I am giving you too much credit..

Same can be said for the Arnold vs. Ronnie quad issue.

Or the "small traps" issue

Or the "small forearms" issue..

or the...

see where I am going?

the stuff you say is not based on reality- it is based on hate

The rest of the board has opinions that are based on obvious fact.

[Cavalier22]

seriously

both of you guys need to get a fuckin life.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Funny thing. Even if they were competing against each other, then, now, whenever ... with judges' decisions ... we'd still be debating.

Doesn't matter, carry on.

The funny things is , they did compete on seven different occasions with Yates beating him on every single occasion , the Ronnie camp says " Ronnie wasn't at his prime " and I counter with " Neither was Dorian and he still beat him "  either way its all spectulation , but one can take an educated guess where this would all lead but the Ronnie-camp doesn't like that outcome lol

[Hulkster]

The funny things is , they did compete on seven different occasions with Yates beating him on every single occasion , the Ronnie camp says " Ronnie wasn't at his prime " and I counter with " Neither was Dorian and he still beat him "  either way its all spectulation , but one can take an educated guess where this would all lead but the Ronnie-camp doesn't like that outcome lol

wrong - Dorian looked fantastic (for him) in 1992 where he placed first and Ronnie placed "dead last"

In 1994 Ronnie should have placed higher but couldn't since he had NO LEGS back then.

and, as stated in later years, neither Ronnie nor Yates were at a peak.

the facts are that the ONLY time either one of them was close to a peak was 1992 and it was Dorian who was ON. (he was pre-tear then too).

We can only speculate what would have happened if they were both at a peak (and it is pretty obvious that Ronnie would win - just open your eyes).

But some of our opinions are based on objective truth, others are based on biased hate.

[pumpster]

they did compete on seven different occasions with Yates beating him on every single occasion

Ron     8 Olympias
Yates  6 Olympias

[sculpture]

You've further discredited yourself with more nonsense: "full, diamond-shaped calves?" Besides making yourself sound like a faggola, it's utter kaka..

Clearly a Haney-Yates tier-B fanatic..

Thats too early a shot of haney to use in an argument, although i do agree that like yates his arms were relatively lacking compared to his enormous torso.

As for yates having better arms than coleman - bwahahahahahahahahahaha.


SUCKMYMUSCLE - bwahahahahahahahahahaha.

[The Ugly]

Oliver Stone needs to make a movie about this. You two can be advisors.

One question: How do we work Charlie Sheen into it?

[NarcissisticDeity]

problem is, ND is that your opinons about Ronnie's physique at his peak are so..umm.. BIZARRE that most of this board questions your motives for saying them.

I mean, really, Dorian has better arms? give me a break.

You say stuff like this because you hate Ronnie's physique and want to discredit him.

I don't believe that you are blind enough to actually believe this stuff.



then again, maybe I am giving you too much credit..

Same can be said for the Arnold vs. Ronnie quad issue.

Or the "small traps" issue

Or the "small forearms" issue..

or the...

see where I am going?

the stuff you say is not based on reality- it is based on hate

The rest of the board has opinions that are based on obvious fact.

See this is where you ice-skate uphill again , put it into context

1) I did say I think Dorian has the better triceps , better sidehead shape and development , I did say Dorian has better forearms , his are full and have better shape , Ronnie forearms are like bowling pins thick at the bottom and thin up top , Dorian has forearms like Mike Mentzer and Ronnie like Al Beckles , and I did say Dorian's arms overall have a better balance and they fit his torso better than Coleman's , Ronnie's forearms don't match his biceps/triceps its called proportion
I may have worded it wrong but I stand by everything I just said , its you who takes it out the context

2) Arnolds quads vs Ronnies quads , I did say Arnold have better quads than Ronnie , and that statement is true to an extent , Ronnie has the bigger quads but does he have the better quads? Arnold had amazing detail & seperation especially in the upper quads that Ronnie as of late don't have , Ronnie quads are so overdeveloped that they are shapeless blobs with less than stella detail & seperation , so put that into context and I stand by that statement !

3) Small traps , I've said when doing the most muscular Ronnie's traps APPEAR small when veiwed from the front and I stand by that , all I have to do is at his traps from the back and see they're not small but just appear so when veiwed from the front !!

So if everyone thinks I'm crazy becuase you don't put things into context than thats out of my control   and the reason you quote me out of context is to gain support on all my opinions and have everyone agree with you that my opinions are all ' crazy ' and therefore carry no merit , however !! I've proved many a thing in this thread , like I'm the bigger man by saying enough is enough , and pointing how how desperate you are , and I've pointed out a LOT of facts that not you or anyone else can despute , but like I've said a thousand times , quote me correctly or don't quote me at all , when you directly misquote me or take what I've said out of context it makes you & opinion seem suspect , and while on the topic of crazy quotes ( hypocrite ) you have a list of winners lol  

Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder in the history of the sport
Shawn Ray owns Dorian in the back double bicep shot
The 1994 Mr Olympia was a bigger controversy than the 1980
Dorian has no detail in his back
Dorian has weak biceps on par with Chris Dickerson
Dorian has no cuts in his quads
Saving the best for last !! Dorian's great conditioning is a myth ( oh boy )


So people who live in glass houses lol you know the saying , anyway feel free to quote me in context and don't take this to seriously !!

[sculpture]

ND - dont forget that you said coleman hadnt improved since 96 thus justisfying your statement that dorian would beat a 98, 99 and AC 2001 version of ronnie. 

[LuciusFox]

 For the love of God, end this thread

[The Ugly]

And a part for this fella, too. He's pretty much Ollie's Clint Howard.

Waddaya say, Hulk, think he can pass for Ronnie?

[NarcissisticDeity]

wrong - Dorian looked fantastic (for him) in 1992 where he placed first and Ronnie placed "dead last"

In 1994 Ronnie should have placed higher but couldn't since he had NO LEGS back then.

and, as stated in later years, neither Ronnie nor Yates were at a peak.

the facts are that the ONLY time either one of them was close to a peak was 1992 and it was Dorian who was ON. (he was pre-tear then too).

We can only speculate what would have happened if they were both at a peak (and it is pretty obvious that Ronnie would win - just open your eyes).

But some of our opinions are based on objective truth, others are based on biased hate.

You know I totally forgot that Ronnie was in the 1992 Mr Olympia that makes it eight times that Dorian beat Ronnie lol oh man , this isn't looking good for the Coleman-Camp

Anyway you're right Ronnie wasn't a top-tier Pro in 1992 , but however by 1995 he was getting there and by 1996 he had arrived !!  anyway Ronnie and Dorian met 5 times in 1996/1997 and Dorian beat him , convincingly it wasn't even close lol the closest Ronnie came to Dorian was 5th at the Grand Prix tour , now again this is my whole point , Dorian beat a near-prime Ronnie when he was past-prime in 96/97 and he beat Ronnie with a torn/bicep/tricep/quad and a bloated gut in 1997 and yet he was still good enough to beat Ronnie , now the only new thing Ronnie would bring to the table is improved conditioning , and thats it , if Ronnie faced a 1993 Dorian Yates with no muscle tears at a 100% based on past experiences and the fact that Dorian has an 88% win rate and has only lost twice and Ronnie lost 35 times , its very safe to assume Ronnie would lose , also factor in that Ronnie in his best ever Olympia appearence just narrowly beat a less than perfect Flex Wheeler and Dorian at his best dominated a sharper Flex , that just adds more fuel to the fire !!

In the end its all speculation and opinion , however I have facts to back up my side and you have fantasy as wishfull thinking on your side

Dorian - eight
Ronnie - zero

Game............set..... .....match !! I hear the fat lady singing !!  

[The Ugly]

Game............set..........match !! I hear the fat lady singing !!  

You have to be kidding. This mindless bullshit will NEVER end.

It's about your guys' name on a huge thread is all. You have absolutely nothing new to add, yet you both keep going. Mental fvcking masturbation.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You've further discredited yourself with more nonsense: "full, diamond-shaped calves?" Besides making yourself sound like a faggola, it's utter kaka..

Clearly a Haney-Yates tier-B fanatic..

This is where I positively own your dumb-ass for the third time !! you want full diamond shaped calves here you go !! Ronnie would kill for calves like this !! now I would say I'll accept your apology when you're man enough to give it but stick it !! I don't want yours lol

I discredit myself? and you're calling Lee Haney & Dorian Yates second tier Pros lol go away and come back when you have a labotomy !!

[The Ugly]

Jesus Christ.

Count the fvcking paint dimples on your ceiling already.

[NarcissisticDeity]

His calves while NOT the biggest are diamond shapped and developed !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

You have to be kidding. This mindless bullshit will NEVER end.

It's about your guys' name on a huge thread is all. You have absolutely nothing new to add, yet you both keep going. Mental fvcking masturbation.

Well the intention of this tread was to end this , but that was taken out of my hands 

[sculpture]

Measely calves. Stop posting pics and seeing things that arent there ND like you do repeatedly.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Measely calves. Stop posting pics and seeing things that arent there ND like you do repeatedly.

Oh please , I already said his calves aren't the biggest but they are excellent !! if you can't see that who cares !! 

[natural al]

1. why did you give up on Ronnie but not Dorian?

2. Dorian started the guts and the downfall of the sport, not Ronnie.

3. ronnie was never natural as a pro.

well maybe Dorian did start the huge gut thing but I don't believe it was the 1994 O that it happened at, I think that was more a matter of him mistiming his peak and carbing up wrong.  I think you'd be hardpressed to find a pic of Dorain in 1995 that shows a huge gut.  At the last Olympia Ronnie's gut was still huge even though he dropped some weight, he was just better at controlling it than in previous years.  If Dorain had a true GH gut he would show signs of distention in 1995 and I don't remember that being the case.  Perhaps he did have a gH gut in 1996 but again the whole GH gut thing didn't really start happening until Dorian was long gone.  Could he have mistimed his peak again in 96?  Could he have carbed up wrong and that was what caused his distended gut?  Possibly...I just don't think the whole GH thing was as exact a science as it would eventually turn out to be years later.  

I believe Ronnie was drug free-to a point- when he turned pro and the first couple of years he competed.  I say to a point because to tell you the truth I am not very knowledgable about drugs in general so he very well could have been on stuff pre 1995, I don't have a problem with that.  I don't have a problem with him being on stuff when he started winning in 95 or 96..I think he won the canada cup in 95 for the first time but I could be wrong.  I didn't have a problem with him when he won his first couple of o's.  I started having a problem with him when his conditioning started to change from a ripped a hard guy to a guy that looked like an overstuffed turkey sausage.  Yeah go ahead and post the pic of Dorian from 94, lets look at Ron from the last few olympia's.  Compare his back at the last O to the back he had when he won his first O.   The loss of detail is amazing.  Jay beat him on back shots..read that again, Jay beat him on back shots.  Ronnie does not represent anything that I would say a mr. O should represent.  He's an over drugged buffoon and alot of the current guys are in the same boat.  Oh, yeah lets get as big as Ronnie...all the while thier conditioning goes out the window and thier guts look worse and worse all cause they have to play follow the leader..to bad the leader keeps getting worse and worse every year.

[natural al]

Nice set of rationalizations-huge torso so it would be hard to build arms like that? Hello? Ron & others don't have those imbalances. Then you go on to say his legs weren't a strong point? DUH!

I can see you're in luv so you won't recognize it anyway, but the difference in size & shape between upper and lower body is like night and day, like two different people. Thighs & calves are near-pathetic, almost beginner's level. Arms are "Yatesian".

no, you miss the point or you're not thinking correctly. First Haney's torso was gigantic and his arms were not small, they were over 20" at least.  The problem was that his waist was so small and his shoulders so wide that the illusion that he produced made his arms look weak.  Ronnie has better arms, fine.  No problem there but Ronnie has never had the structure that haney had.  Look at pics of ronnie when he was starting out, back when he could hit a vacume pose while doing a front double bi, he's no where near as impressive as lee was. Lee's legs were "good" not great.  They did nothing to detract from his body.  Ronnie didn't start having great legs until he started puttin on massive weight and at that point it was bye-bye nice slim waist, hello gh gut. 
Since you know so much, show me a pro who has a nice small waist like Haney had, who can do a vacume pose, with the incredibly wide shoulders lee had, at lee's height that had arms that matched his torso.  Think Melvin Anthony with about 30 more pounds on him....you won't find that today buddy.  Also keep in mind that Haney was in shape when he did his O's.....

Lets look at lee from the 85-88 olympia's.  Out of the top 5 in lets say 1986, lee's legs were not the worse of the bunch.  Top 5 in 86 was Haney, Gaspari, Christian, Beckles and peter hensel.  Out of those guys lee probably was 3rd in the leg department, Gaspari being first and that guy you never heard of Peter Hensel being 2nd.  Haney's legs while they might look weak to you, they were fine when he was competing.  87 he was probably even better when you look at the top 5, do you know who was in the top 5 in 87?  I'll save you the time to look it up, Haney, Gaspari, Labrada, Christian and Robinson.  Again Lee was probably in the top 3 behind Gaspari who was enormous but had no taper and the ever improving Lee Labrada...do you want me to go on or do you get the point?  Standards were different during lee's run, and his legs while not the greatest of his era were fine.

Oh, and about me being in love..you don't know dick.  Haney isn't even my favorite pro from that era, but I was comparing apples to apples.

Anytime you need a history lesson in bodybuilding just drop me a line, I'll be glad to school ya in my spare time.

[The Showstoppa]

vacuum pose = gay

[Stavios]

How the fuck did this thread went on for 27 pages 

[dearth]

vacuum pose = gay

translation - "I'm a ronnie supporter, and any pose that makes him look bad sucks."