Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[kiwiol]

What I don't like about Ronnie is that his posing and presentation are appalling - he pays absolutely no attention to how he stands or how he does his quarter turns and other poses. With his structure and build, he would look way more incredible and less un-aesthetic if he learnt how to stand correctly. For eg, in that pic from the 96 Mr O, he should have his legs spread out a bit more as opposed to standing the way he is. That would really highlight his X shaped frame. Dorian was a master at this art of showing off his strengths and avoiding poses which exposed his weaknesses, as was Arnold.

For example look at Ronnie's Front lat spread from the 2003 Mr O. He should have dropped his shoulders down (as opposed to shrugging them up), tilted his shoulders slightly back and then spread his legs out a little to make the best of the pose instead of doing it the way he did it onstage. Anyone else feel this way  

[Hulkster]

What I don't like about Ronnie is that his posing and presentation are appalling - he pays absolutely no attention to how he stands or how he does his quarter turns and other poses. With his structure and build, he would look way more incredible and less un-aesthetic if he learnt how to stand correctly. For eg, in that pic from the 96 Mr O, he should have his legs spread out a bit more as opposed to standing the way he is. That would really highlight his X shaped frame. Dorian was a master at this art of showing off his strengths and avoiding poses which exposed his weaknesses, as was Arnold.

For example look at Ronnie's Front lat spread from the 2003 Mr O. He should have dropped his shoulders down (as opposed to shrugging them up), tilted his shoulders slightly back and then spread his legs out a little to make the best of the pose instead of doing it the way he did it onstage. Anyone else feel this way  

learning how to pose is for wimps

[nicorulez]

Kiwiol, I agree one hundred percent.  Coleman is far from the most graceful poser.  That is why I appreciate Dorian (especially the earlier versions..not the disasters that were 1994, 1996, and 1997).  He was most impressive when he was 240 or so; his waist was not distended then.  Compare the back double bi of when he was 228 vs when he was around 260 and you can tell he lost his taper and conditioning later in his career.  Coleman would have looked even more impressive if he had the posing ability of a Vince Taylor, Haney, or Yates.

[Hulkster]

LOL I can't believe people posted 1994 pics on this thread..


greatest back of all time my ass.


a taper only an ironager would love


definately more aesthetic than the pre-gut ronnie


dorian's arms set a new (low) standard for Mr. Olympias for years to come..


LOL ND goes on about how great Dorian's side chest is, well, when your forearm is bigger than your pecs, ya know you have a problem.

[kiwiol]

learning how to pose is for wimps

Funny, but you know what I'm talking about right? Ronnie hits the back poses pretty well, and he does the front double bi OK, but his front lat spread, his side chest, side triceps and Abs n thigh all suck due to him not executing them properly. And he never pays attention to holding his abs tight AT ALL TIMES. He did an ok job in 2005, but in 2004, he let it relax too much inbetween poses where he did keep them under control. Same with 2003.

[kiwiol]

Kiwiol, I agree one hundred percent.  Coleman is far from the most graceful poser.  That is why I appreciate Dorian (especially the earlier versions..not the disasters that were 1994, 1996, and 1997).  He was most impressive when he was 240 or so; his waist was not distended then.  Compare the back double bi of when he was 228 vs when he was around 260 and you can tell he lost his taper and conditioning later in his career.  Coleman would have looked even more impressive if he had the posing ability of a Vince Taylor, Haney, or Yates.

And it's not just the way Dorian stood onstage or kept all the muscles under control, but his posing routines as well. His routine from the 1995 Mr O was one of the best ones ever (honarary mention goes to Mike Francois' routine from that Mr O as well ). Ronnie should learn to pose like that - just use some classical stuff having themes of awe (or rap or heavy metal), as opposed to posing to soft core shit where he tries to jiggle his butt and / or pose like Shawn ray. Just looks akward when a guy his size gets on one knee and tries to pulls poses that should be reserved for guys like Shawn ray or Bob paris. Ronnie should just hit most musculars and stuff instead of trying to do ballet moves.

[pumpster]

Looking at these pics you'd think Yates must've placed no better than 3rd or 4th.
Embarassing again; Lavrone overwhelms him.

[Hulkster]

Looking at these pics you'd think Yates must've placed no better than 3rd or 4th.

like I said, yates was the "gunter of the 90's"!

[pumpster]

More humiliation for the Mike Katz of the 90s:

[Hulkster]

Once someone posts either the side chest shot that ND has (but is reluctant to post) from 1998 or someone posts a video of the comparisons from the 1999 Olympia (prior to posedown) no one will EVER say that Yates had a better side chest shot than Ronnie.

Actually, in reality, only two people are: ND and Suckmyasshole

[pumpster]

ND and Suckmyasshole

All this for two idiots! 

[Hulkster]

I can't believe that people are actually saying that dorian had a better back

[Hulkster]

LOL

[Hulkster]

ps the couple of back double bi shots I have just posted illustrate what I have been saying all along:

the 228 pound dorian may have had some detail in the upper back

but the Mr. Olympia dorian  (1991 and up) rarely did.

another reason why Ronnie has the far superior back.

[mesmorph78]

nd you seem to collect flex..
i am quite SURE have at some point come across the article.. in a late 90's issue...
where in an interveiw... jim manion clearly states.... yates was the first bb to bring a gut to the stage... though he did digress he had abs on this huge gut....
like i said will rifle through and give you th exact issue date..
anyway since you so freely brandish peter mcough's comments on coleman 2003...
what do you think about jim manion sayin yates was the pioneer for guts?

[kiwiol]

Looking at these pics you'd think Yates must've placed no better than 3rd or 4th.
Embarassing again; Lavrone overwhelms him.

Come on mate - no way in hell can you say that Levrone was better than Doz from just those 2 or 3 pics. If you saw the video or more pics which show Doz flexing, there would be no doubt regarding Yates' superiority. BTW, that contest was the one in which Dorian had his narrowest win - he won by a mere 9 points (I think, or could be 6). Both Kevin and Dorian weighed around 255, but Dorian's thickness and density blew just about everyone else away.

[Hulkster]

Come on mate - no way in hell can you say that Levrone was better than Doz from just those 2 or 3 pics. If you saw the video or more pics which show Doz flexing, there would be no doubt regarding Yates' superiority. BTW, that contest was the one in which Dorian had his narrowest win - he won by a mere 9 points (I think, or could be 6). Both Kevin and Dorian weighed around 255, but Dorian's thickness and density blew just about everyone else away.

well, I will agree he certainly looked thick..

but in 1994, Yates had the density of a marshmallow.



 

[LuciusFox]

 Ronnie looks better

[alexxx]

Ok I think Yates could have won against Ronnie if he had the same sking color. Yates is too pale!

[pumpster]

Coleman is far from the most graceful poser.  That is why I appreciate Dorian (especially the earlier versions..not the disasters that were 1994, 1996, and 1997).  He was most impressive when he was 240 or so; his waist was not distended then.  Compare the back double bi of when he was 228 vs when he was around 260 and you can tell he lost his taper and conditioning later in his career.  Coleman would have looked even more impressive if he had the posing ability of a Vince Taylor, Haney, or Yates.

To win with so-so posing further emphasizes the dominance over wimps like Yates, actually.  Why worry about posing when you don't have to?

[Jake_W]

 

[FREAKgeek]

My back assessment, gentlemen.

Dorian's back vs Ronnie's back:

Width : Coleman. Coleman has a wider back, mainly because his lats are little bit higher than Dorian's, and his structure allows for it. You might be able to post a pic here and there on the contrary, but there exists a 100 for each 1 that states otherwise.

Mass/Thickness : This is a tough call mainly because it ties in with conditioning. I'm going to say that they are roughly even! Coleman looks a bit more beefy but he also holds more water in the back.

Symmetry: Coleman. Yates has an irregular looking trapezius that I find distracting. The groups and tie ins just flow better with me with Coleman, so sue me.

Definition: Yates. Yates has a dryness and striated back that coleman can't match. Again, you may post pics here and there on the contrary, but there are far too many pics otherwise.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Once someone posts either the side chest shot that ND has (but is reluctant to post) from 1998 or someone posts a video of the comparisons from the 1999 Olympia (prior to posedown) no one will EVER say that Yates had a better side chest shot than Ronnie.

Actually, in reality, only two people are: ND and Suckmyasshole

No you're mistaken its Ronnie Coleman who said Dorian has the best side chest shot , you forgot to mention that , and Oh yes I'm reluctant to post pictures I already posted , you twat , use your brian !!

[LuciusFox]

My back assessment, gentlemen.

Dorian's back vs Ronnie's back:

Width : Coleman. Coleman has a wider back, mainly because his lats are little bit higher than Dorian's, and his structure allows for it. You might be able to post a pic here and there on the contrary, but there exists a 100 for each 1 that states otherwise.

Mass/Thickness : This is a tough call mainly because it ties in with conditioning. I'm going to say that they are roughly even! Coleman looks a bit more beefy but he also holds more water in the back.

Symmetry: Coleman. Yates has an irregular looking trapezius that I find distracting. The groups and tie ins just flow better with me with Coleman, so sue me.

Definition: Yates. Yates has a dryness and striated back that coleman can't match. Again, you may post pics here and there on the contrary, but there are far too many pics otherwise.

 Great post!

[NarcissisticDeity]

I can't believe that people are actually saying that dorian had a better back

Samir Bannout said Dorian has the best back ever and Ronnie said he had the freakiest back he ever seen , and sorry sport Dorian's back is better !!  I'm still laughing at he had no detail in his upperback at anything above 228lbs lol