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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3475 on: June 06, 2006, 03:23:34 PM »

his lower back looks much better in black and white. What a surprise.

gee - a true black and white Ronnie shot and is it me, or I am detecting some "graininess" there? ;)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3476 on: June 06, 2006, 03:24:13 PM »
No one looking like this on so many front shots can be considered great:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3477 on: June 06, 2006, 03:30:20 PM »
STRIKING advantage to Coleman on triceps.

ND & SUCKY-explain the huge difference in TRICEPS size & shape, with the same degree of cuts. (not another side-tri shot):

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3478 on: June 06, 2006, 04:12:53 PM »
Guys, this thread is beginning to be pointless.  First of all, ND has lost all credibility.  Earlier, he stated that Dorian was pretty much unbeatable from 1992-1997.  However, when you show pics from those years, he bitches and complains and states you are using pics other than 1993.  So which is it ND.  You were the one who said he was unbeatable.  I don't feel like going through 130 pages of this thread to prove this point; you said it.  Now, if Yates was unbeatable, why is it that if Pumpster shows a contest pic from any year except 1993, he is playing unfairly.  That is is utter BS and you know it.  Even in 1993, his supposed best shape ever; his B&W photos from a month prior eclipse his Olympia form.  Now, Ronnie in 1998,1999, 2003 and even 2005 would have whooped any version of Yates.  He is not only bigger and more striated; he actually has a taper.  Thus, your bitching and complaining do you no good.  You have contradicted yourself so many times that it is laughable.  You have lost all credence with me and many others.  I used to think you were a model of reasoning on this board; I was wrong.  You are clearly biased and do not give credit where credit is due.  Regardless, you and Sucky can keep on kissing Dorian's ass.  He needs the money that you funnel his way from DVD sales.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3479 on: June 06, 2006, 04:33:29 PM »
STRIKING advantage to Coleman on triceps.

ND & SUCKY-explain the huge difference in TRICEPS size & shape, with the same degree of cuts. (not another side-tri shot):

nice using Dorian at his worst and Coleman at his best to prove your point ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

oh, wait, maybe it's a conspiricy ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3480 on: June 06, 2006, 04:35:41 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3481 on: June 06, 2006, 05:31:34 PM »
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nice using Dorian at his worst and Coleman at his best to prove your point
Sadly, those WERE his good pics, blockhead.::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3482 on: June 06, 2006, 05:57:46 PM »
Sadly, those WERE his good pics, blockhead.::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)

now you're proving you're not only delusional but stupid....but we already new that....

Now c'mon, ain't you gonna stun me by calling me an ironager or maybe you could say I have ADD, but then I'd have to shut you up again by asking the same question you've refused to answer...how many times has it been?  At least 5 or 6 times, Mr. know-it-all
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3483 on: June 06, 2006, 06:19:30 PM »
What relevance does any of this have on how a Peak Ronnie would fair against  dorian?

Your argument that Yates beat Ronnie 8 times before and therefore would beat Ronnie at his peak doesn't make any sense:

by this logic, pretty much the entire roster of pros in the 1990's would have beaten Ronnie at his peak because Ronnie lost countless times to countless pros before peaking. This is clearly not true.


you have been shown pic after pic and hell, two videos that
show Ronnie's drastic improvment from barely a top 10 Mr. Olympia competitor to Mr. Olympia himself and you STILL cannot see the improvement ::)

I'll tell you what relevance this has on peak-Ronnie vs Dorian , its give you an example of who you're dealing with , it shows that Ronnie wouldn't be have a walk in the park with Dorian , you and the rest of your cohorts think Dorian is medicore , not that great of a bodybuilder, it directly contradicts what you're stating , Paul Dillet after seeing the B&W pictures of Dorian said he just wanted to give up , it was all over from that moment , and when Paul Dillet says of Dorian at the 1995 Mr Olympia " I've seen Jesus Christ and he looks like Dorian Yates " that statement carries a lot of fucking weight , this if a guy who stood side by side with Dorian , and you think for one single moment Ronnie would beat Dorian eaisly , for you to even state that knowing what his peers have said about him shows your ignorance and your delusion , Dorian Yates is NO pushover

And your weak logic about everyone beating Ronnie at his peak because they've beat him before doesn't hold up because none of those guys ever beat a peak Dorian , thats the difference , Dorian was better than everyone , so while Ronnie was beating them and they returned the favor NONE of them beat Dorian , so while you think Ronnie improved so dramatically , it wouldn't be good enough to soundly defeat Dorian at his game , gauging by his past competition with fellow competitors its very safe to assume Ronnie in 1998 wouldn't beat Dorian for among other things he just barely beat Flex Wheeler by just 3 points , so Dorian soundly defeated Flex in all their meetings , so your best bet is 1999 he was a very full and shapley 257lbs , but hey wait he wasn't as dry as he was in 1998 but and this would be clearly evident standing next to the man who was the template for size & dryness , we can knitpick about strenghts & weaknesses all day & night and in fact we have , but in the end it would be left up to the judges , and in my opinion in either 1998 or 1999 Ronnie wouldn't be so great that he would beat Dorian , remember Dorian only lost to two people Haney & Momo , and Momo beat him when he was 228lbs in his his Pro contest debut , and after that Dorian beat Momo two times and he never had the chance to beat Haney , but thats unheard of , losing to just two guys as a professional , so reguardless of Ronnie's new improvements he would be facing an uphill battle , couple that with Dorian's supreme domination of all of his competition , his win rate of 88% , the impact he made on his fellow competitors , his combo of muscle thickness , density , and hardness would be an extremly hard to overcome , Dorian would NOT be an underdog competing against Ronnie , but what seperates me from you and the rest of Camp-Delusional is I can admit that maybe the judges would go with Ronnie , I don't know 100% if they would pick Dorian , and you don't know 100% they wouldn't , although you like to act that way , but from a mathmatical prespective and a logical one as well there is a high probability Dorian would beat Ronnie if not by mere points that overwhelmingly and based on Dorian's past history I'll go with the latter !

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3484 on: June 06, 2006, 06:59:13 PM »
why don't you motherfuckers just let this stupid argument go? What the f**k kind of losers are you?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3485 on: June 06, 2006, 07:15:03 PM »
No I want to see 200 pages - for the kids

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3486 on: June 06, 2006, 07:59:35 PM »
No I want to see 200 pages - for the kids

All about the kids.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3487 on: June 06, 2006, 08:50:52 PM »
How could THIS NOT win a Mr.Olympia? (a 6th consecutive Olympia, mind you).


  I have already explained this to you, but it seems the capacity to play nerdy videogames does not make you intelligent overall. :-\ Ronnie in 2003 was no longer a BODYbuilder, but a MASSbuilder. Only a complete bodybuilding novice would fail to see that. He increased his muscle size dramatically, yes, but at the expense of several things:

1.Proportion - Several of his muscles hypertrophied beyond others, and his general musculature overblowed his frame: his quads overpowered his upper body, his shoulders-trap complex overpowered the width of his pectoralis major muscles and his midsection overpowered his shoulder-traps complex.

2. Details, striations and etchiness - unlike Dorian from 1992 o 93, who incresed his muscle mass dramatically whileSIMULTANEOUSLY increasing his level of details and etchiness, Ronnie experienced a deterioration of his things as his bodyweight increased above 250 lbs. At 287 lbs, he had far less details and striations on his front quads, back and delts than he had at around 250 lbs. At 296 lbs, he had practically none! This may be irrelevant from a purelyMASSbuilding point of view, but it is very relevant, in a negative way, from a BODYbuilding point of view. Capisce? Or does the mighty templar(geek... ::) need further elucidation?

3. Density and dryness - Completely downhill. Coleman's best, dryest condiioning was at the 98 O. And in terms of density and hardness, I'd have to say the 99. In 2003, Ronnie did have good density, but he was already clearly retaining water around his abdominal area. And even then, Ronnie never matched Dorian's 270 lbs version when it comes to hardness. Hey, both the 97 Dorian and the 2003 Ronnie looked like shit, but Dorian still took Ronnie out in both density&dryness. :o ;)

4. Taper - This one is self-explanatory. I shouldn't need to even go over this. But then, you said that you don't care that a bodybuilder comes in with a huge belly, as long as he comes in monstrous in size. Your problem is not one of standards, but of having chosen the wrong sport: you're a strongmen-powerlifter type of physique fan. Hey, if given a choice between the 97 Dorian or the 98 Coleman, I would give the nod to Coleman, ONLY due to his vastly superior taper - and the 97 O Dorian defeats the 98 O Ronnie in ALLthe mandaories; it just goes to show how much I liked Ronnie's 98 form.

  Below are shots of Ronnie at 296 lbs. If you think this looks good, then I suggest you start watching the "The World's Srongest Man" contest, because you'll like their physiques. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3488 on: June 06, 2006, 08:55:08 PM »
why don't you motherfuckers just let this stupid argument go? What the f**k kind of losers are you?

I thought the origional point of this thread was to do just that.  I feel that your final question, in theory, really doesnt apply to ND or any other member of the "yates camp"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3489 on: June 06, 2006, 08:57:57 PM »
 Ronnie>Dorian! ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3490 on: June 06, 2006, 09:02:51 PM »
You make an inaccurate statement like this and support it with a picture of Coleman standing unflexed backstage? What a joke...

Coleman's quadriceps aren't particularly cut when he doesn't flex them, but you are a bodybuilding neophyte and you fail to realize that is a good thing. For one, his muscles come to life when he poses, and it makes the transitions all the more exciting. Dorian looks like a big lump of unpolished carving stone ... nothing dramatic happens when he hits a pose.

Dorian's quadriceps are not even in the same realm as Coleman's. It is a disgrace to even compare them, let alone claim Dorian's are actually better!


Ronnie < Quad Size > Dorian
 - Self Explanatory

Ronnie < Quad Striations > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence



Ronnie < Quad Separation > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Vascularity > Dorian
 - So fucking obvious

Ronnie < Quad Sweep > Dorian
 - Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Strength > Dorian
 - Irrelevant, but fun to include nonetheless  ;D

Ronnie < Quad Balance > Dorian
 - Dorian's vastus medialis is overdeveloped (or rather, vastus lateralis underdeveloped).
 - Nonexistent separation between the rectus femoris and vastus lateralis

Comprehensive, exhaustive analysis.
The guide is definitive.
The visual evidence is irrefutable.







  You are a moron. I'm not talking about sheer size - the only hing you seem to care about - but about details, striations and hardness. The best pose to compare this is the abs-and-thighs. Check it out, geek. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3491 on: June 06, 2006, 09:07:32 PM »
You make an inaccurate statement like this and support it with a picture of Coleman standing unflexed backstage? What a joke...

Coleman's quadriceps aren't particularly cut when he doesn't flex them, but you are a bodybuilding neophyte and you fail to realize that is a good thing. For one, his muscles come to life when he poses, and it makes the transitions all the more exciting. Dorian looks like a big lump of unpolished carving stone ... nothing dramatic happens when he hits a pose.

Dorian's quadriceps are not even in the same realm as Coleman's. It is a disgrace to even compare them, let alone claim Dorian's are actually better!


Ronnie < Quad Size > Dorian
 - Self Explanatory

Ronnie < Quad Striations > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence



Ronnie < Quad Separation > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Vascularity > Dorian
 - So fucking obvious

Ronnie < Quad Sweep > Dorian
 - Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Strength > Dorian
 - Irrelevant, but fun to include nonetheless  ;D

Ronnie < Quad Balance > Dorian
 - Dorian's vastus medialis is overdeveloped (or rather, vastus lateralis underdeveloped).
 - Nonexistent separation between the rectus femoris and vastus lateralis

Comprehensive, exhaustive analysis.
The guide is definitive.
The visual evidence is irrefutable.







  HA HA HA HA! The gaming nerd just called me a bodybuilding neophyte! :D Bitch, I'm 26 and have been folloing pro bodybuilding for 12 years. How about you? You're probably some 16 year-old gay nerd, who never even kissed a girl in your life, and who's now milking Ronnie's balls because you just discovered pro bodybuilding and have no idea about anyone who came before him. Nice going, geek! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3492 on: June 06, 2006, 09:08:34 PM »
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The best pose to compare this is the abs-and-thighs. Check it out, geek.
The best pose because it hides his weaknesses nicely.

Here's something very comparable to one of Yates' signature shots, of Coleman-far better X-taper (Yates has something akin to an "H") with density that is good if not as sharp or dry as Yates.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3493 on: June 06, 2006, 09:09:59 PM »
Ronnie>Dorian! ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3494 on: June 06, 2006, 09:17:12 PM »
A bodybuilder doesnt have an "X frame" just because he sticks his elboes out during an ab/thigh shot.  Nor does he have one during a relaxed pose by holding his hands 3 feet away from his torso.  Also there is no.. X FRAME ROUND in bodybuilding. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3495 on: June 06, 2006, 09:37:40 PM »
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A bodybuilder doesnt have an "X frame" just because he sticks his elboes out during an ab/thigh shot.  Nor does he have one during a relaxed pose by holding his hands 3 feet away from his torso.  Also there is no.. X FRAME ROUND in bodybuilding.
Lyric exercising the same mindlessness as his heroes. Below there's an article for u, dolt.

Unlike Yates, Coleman has a pronounced X-frame in that pose. U just learned something. ;)

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ronharris6.htm

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3496 on: June 06, 2006, 09:46:33 PM »
hehe well, im not sure if I implied that in what I wrote.  I certainly dont think that whatever I say is correct, but ive got a hunch that im right on this one.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3497 on: June 06, 2006, 09:47:52 PM »
So far you're completely convinced of all your ditherings. I have a feeling u were recruited by your bud ND for this thread without really knowing anything. In effect, you're just filler.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3498 on: June 06, 2006, 09:48:17 PM »
Ok well, ill admit that ronnie unquestionably has an X frame


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3499 on: June 06, 2006, 09:50:53 PM »
No content whatsoever; an ND clone. Those pics are ok actually. hahahahahhahah

Check out Yates' "H"-taper..