Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

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Silly pumpster

[pumpster]

Inane lyric.

[Bear]

again, detail makes the difference. From the knees up, its ronnie.

I don't know about anyone else but to me in this pic Ronnie's back screams 'complete', with it's fully-rounded look and flawless shape. If Dorian's is thicker in the lower middle it suffers in terms of overall balance. Dorian is more ruggedly muscular, slightly, but Coleman's is a beauteous gift from the heaven's, much more balanced from left to right. As people liked to say of Gaspari, it's like Coleman has exactly and perfectly fulfilled his muscular potential in this shot. Plus he has better upper legs, which IS more important than calves.

Although Dorian had a great physique I'm just not sure if he'd do AS well by today's rules. Better than average (are Yates' arms even that) arms are a requirement now for starters. Like it or lump it there is no 'front double calves shot' as well, although I am aware they ARE important.

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I don't know about anyone else but to me in this pic Ronnie's back screams 'complete', with it's fully-rounded look and flawless shape.

Coleman's advantage in taper is striking.

Yates is all torso; that's not the problem. It's the rest of him..hahahahhaha

[NarcissisticDeity]

Man, if I never see another picture of Ronnie Coleman's ass, it will be too soon.

But just to settle this once and for all  , here's an excerpt from Jon Hotten's fine book "Muscle". DISCLAIMER: Hotten is British and has just spent a long chapter teabagging his countryman Yates.

<< [Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique. >> [emphasis mine]

Great post !! what I've been saying all along , that from 1992-1997 Dorian owned the sport reguardless if anyone personally thought he should have lost , Ronnie's had a lot of close calls , just three of his eight Olympia have come with straight firsts , he has this myth about him that he's untouchable lol he's very beatable , hence 2002 SOS , and the Olympias , I hear Camp-Coleman crying patricotic-bias already lol

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from 1992-1997 Dorian owned the sport reguardless if anyone personally thought he should have lost

That has nothing to do with this thread..Columbu won the Olympia too.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That has nothing to do with this thread..Columbu won the Olympia too.

Sure it does , Ronnie probably got a lot more gifts than any Mr Olympia period .

[pumpster]

Sure it does , Ronnie probably got a lot more gifts than any Mr Olympia period .

More proof that he's lost; now wants to change direction, talk about gifts when Yates won with THIS..

BTW that tanning lotion color looks disgusting.

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Bad analogy sport , Dorian's triceps & biceps while not overdeveloped like Coleman's aren't small by any stretch of the imagination , so by my logic ( something you severly lack ) a great double bicepshot incompasses , a great balance between ALL muscles not just the arms to have the maximum impact in this pose !! and just because you personally like Ronnie's freaky front double bicepshot , it doesn't mans Dorian's sucks or is lacking , because clearly its not to unbiased eyes .

Stop back tracking. You stated yates arms are better than ronnies as you whole because you assert his tris and forearms are superior and better balanced with his biceps (wtf).

No one mentioned front double bicep poses.

You made the silly mistake of assuming i'm a fan of ronnies front double bi. Its good but his quad calf imbalance is particularly evident in the shot unlike the back double bicep which is outstanding and the imbalance less noticeable. I'd actually give Ronnie just the nod over a pre tear yates on front db and that says alot of an ability to recognise a bber's strengths despite not being a fan of his physique. Something you, as evidenced by this thread and countless others, lack.

Does bob paris have better arms than coleman ND?

[NarcissisticDeity]

More proof that he's lost; now wants to change direction, talk about gifts when Yates won with THIS..

BTW that tanning lotion color looks disgusting.

Have you even seen the 1994 Mr Olympia? have you you're basing he should have lost the whole contest in a few magazine scans? I have the 1993 Mr Olympia and even with the torn bicep he was good enough to win , while not at his best , still better than eveyone else , his tan was off as well , thats one of the things they complained about in the magazines , this picture is from the same contest  .

[Praetor Fenix]

  HA HA HA! Totally protected by protocol! How could THIS win a Mr.O? BOTH Jay and Dexter Jackson look far superior to Ronnie...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

How could THIS NOT win a Mr.Olympia? (a 6th consecutive Olympia, mind you).

[NarcissisticDeity]

Stop back tracking. You stated yates arms are better than ronnies as you whole because you assert his tris and forearms are superior and better balanced with his biceps (wtf).

No one mentioned front double bicep poses.

You made the silly mistake of assuming i'm a fan of ronnies front double bi. Its good but his quad calf imbalance is particularly evident in the shot unlike the back double bicep which is outstanding and the imbalance less noticeable. I'd actually give Ronnie just the nod over a pre tear yates on front db and that says alot of an ability to recognise a bber's strengths despite not being a fan of his physique. Something you, as evidenced by this thread and countless others, lack.

Does bob paris have better arms than coleman ND?

I'm not backtracking , I originally said , Dorian has better triceps , forearms and balance so overall he has better arms than Coleman , and I reiterated perhaps I wouldn't have worded it that way , but whatever , that statement is no worse than Hulkster saying Dorian Yates is the most overrated bodybuilder ever !! even though mine at least has some merit

And does Bob Paris have better arms than Coleman ? Bob has better balance between his forearms , biceps and triceps , but he doesn't size , Dorian's arms aren't small , smaller than Colemans for sure but not small by any means , his biceps are okay , triceps & forearms are great , so while Dorian's arms may be smaller than Colemans , they're not Bob Paris small , so I'm back to my original point which was the front double biceps pose , just because Ronnie has the biggest biceps/triceps doesn't mean he has the best front double bicep shot .

[NarcissisticDeity]

How could THIS NOT win a Mr.Olympia? (a 6th consecutive Olympia, mind you).

Why you fawn all over 2003 is even beyond Coleman supporters , he set a new standard for size &  ' conditioning ' its not his best showing by a country mile !!

[Praetor Fenix]

One you've proven nothing , two you're arguing with yourself in terms of biceps , three Ronnie doesn't beat Dorian in terms of triceps , he has an oddly shapped rearhead & a very thin sidehead , plus bowling pin forearms , both is biceps & triceps are so overdeveloped they make his forearms look like twigs , thats called poor balance & proportion , once again you're agruing with yourself about biceps/triceps size , no one is saying Dorian has bigger arms , in terms of triceps I would say Dorian has better triceps and forearms not to mention a excellent balance throught his entire arm , Ronnie has the much bigger & better biceps and bigger triceps , his biceps are so big they make his delts look small in the rear double bicep shot .

Give it up dude ...  we grow weary of your blanket statements.
You can't simply spout off a statement like this without any sort of rational defense (a picture, measurement ratio, for god's sake ANYTHING OBJECTIVE).


Yes these forearms are twigs alright...  

I have attached a picture of his rear double bicep.
NO WAY IN HELL DO HIS DELTOIDS LOOK SMALL!

Ronnie Coleman's triceps are better too.
- For one, Coleman's are perfectly symmetrical. Dorian's are not, particularly his medial heads.
- Coleman's triceps are heavily striated and vascular. Dorian's are neither.
- Dorian's long head is grossly underdeveloped. Coleman's longhead absolutely dwarfs his.
- Ronnie has a larger lateral head too, albeit Dorian's has slightly better shape.
- Dorian's triceps look awful from any and every angle excluding the side tricep pose.

Dorian's triceps are not in balance. His long head is actually shorter than his lateral head, and his lateral head is larger than his long head, which is very, very bad in terms of proportion and appearance. Awful medial head symmetry too.

Regardless of whether or not Dorian's biceps/triceps/forearms are in better proportion, his biceps/triceps are so inferior in terms of development that you don't really have an argument.
If we assume that they may very well have been better proportioned (though there is absolutely no visual evidence based on the prior pictures to support this assessment), that would not compensate for a torn bicep, small biceps with non-existent peaks & triceps devoid of detail, striation, and balance.

Dorian could never match this level development from an overhead perspective. Never.

[Praetor Fenix]

 Funny how Huckster keeps saying how cut Ronnie's quds is. I can't see it, especially when compared to Dorian's!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

You make an inaccurate statement like this and support it with a picture of Coleman standing unflexed backstage? What a joke...

Coleman's quadriceps aren't particularly cut when he doesn't flex them, but you are a bodybuilding neophyte and you fail to realize that is a good thing. For one, his muscles come to life when he poses, and it makes the transitions all the more exciting. Dorian looks like a big lump of unpolished carving stone ... nothing dramatic happens when he hits a pose.

Dorian's quadriceps are not even in the same realm as Coleman's. It is a disgrace to even compare them, let alone claim Dorian's are actually better!


Ronnie < Quad Size > Dorian
 - Self Explanatory

Ronnie < Quad Striations > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence



Ronnie < Quad Separation > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Vascularity > Dorian
 - So fucking obvious

Ronnie < Quad Sweep > Dorian
 - Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Strength > Dorian
 - Irrelevant, but fun to include nonetheless 

Ronnie < Quad Balance > Dorian
 - Dorian's vastus medialis is overdeveloped (or rather, vastus lateralis underdeveloped).
 - Nonexistent separation between the rectus femoris and vastus lateralis

Comprehensive, exhaustive analysis.
The guide is definitive.
The visual evidence is irrefutable.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Give it up dude ...  we grow weary of your blanket statements.
You can't simply spout off a statement like this without any sort of rational defense (a picture, measurement ratio, for god's sake ANYTHING OBJECTIVE).


Yes these forearms are twigs alright...  

I have attached a picture of his rear double bicep.
NO WAY IN HELL DO HIS DELTOIDS LOOK SMALL!

Ronnie Coleman's triceps are better too.
- For one, Coleman's are perfectly symmetrical. Dorian's are not, particularly his medial heads.
- Coleman's triceps are heavily striated and vascular. Dorian's are neither.
- Dorian's long head is grossly underdeveloped. Coleman's longhead absolutely dwarfs his.
- Ronnie has a larger lateral head too, albeit Dorian's has slightly better shape.
- Dorian's triceps look awful from any and every angle excluding the side tricep pose.

Dorian's triceps are not in balance. His long head is actually shorter than his lateral head, and his lateral head is larger than his long head, which is very, very bad in terms of proportion and appearance. Awful medial head symmetry too.

Regardless of whether or not Dorian's biceps/triceps/forearms are in better proportion, his biceps/triceps are so inferior in terms of development that you don't really have an argument.
If we assume that they may very well have been better proportioned (though there is absolutely no visual evidence based on the prior pictures to support this assessment), that would not compensate for a torn bicep, small biceps with non-existent peaks & triceps devoid of detail, striation, and balance.

Dorian could never match this level development from an overhead perspective. Never.

When I reffer to Ronnie's forearms as being twigs , they are in realtion to his biceps/triceps , his forearms at 287lbs are huge and impressive but still not in proportion with his biceps/triceps , thats not debateble , thats something you obviously don't care about because you're like Ronnie you think all muscles should be developed to thier maximum and proportion & balanced be damned , but these are the exact same thing that hurt many of his poses

And again , his delts aren't small I never claimed they were small , they're bigger than my head , but in relation to his back double bicep shot , his biceps/triceps are so massively overdeveloped they make his delts look small , they're a lot bigger than his delts in that shot , it's been like this since he first turned Pro and continues to this day

Oh and sport Dorian doesn't have match Ronnie's overwhelming superiorty with his hands are held over his head lol it's not a mandatory pose , the sidetricep shot is and Dorian despite his lackluster underdeveloped triceps as you state beats Ronnie convinceingly !! just like most of the other mandatory poses !! despite Ronnie's overwhelming superiority  

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When I reffer to Ronnie's forearms as being twigs , they are in realtion to his biceps/triceps , his forearms at 287lbs are huge and impressive but still not in proportion with his biceps/triceps , thats not debateble , thats something you obviously don't care about because you're like Ronnie you think all muscles should be developed to thier maximum and proportion & balanced be damned , but these are the exact same thing that hurt many of his poses

And again , his delts aren't small I never claimed they were small , they're bigger than my head , but in relation to his back double bicep shot , his biceps/triceps are so massively overdeveloped they make his delts look small , they're a lot bigger than his delts in that shot , it's been like this since he first turned Pro and continues to this day

Oh and sport Dorian doesn't have match Ronnie's overwhelming superiorty with his hands are held over his head lol it's not a mandatory pose , the sidetricep shot is and Dorian despite his lackluster underdeveloped triceps as you state beats Ronnie convinceingly !! just like most of the other mandatory poses !! despite Ronnie's overwhelming superiority  

Praetor Fenix,
  Let this be a lesson to you that you cannot argue with the Deity. He is narcissistic, you know.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You make an inaccurate statement like this and support it with a picture of Coleman standing unflexed backstage? What a joke...

Coleman's quadriceps aren't particularly cut when he doesn't flex them, but you are a bodybuilding neophyte and you fail to realize that is a good thing. For one, his muscles come to life when he poses, and it makes the transitions all the more exciting. Dorian looks like a big lump of unpolished carving stone ... nothing dramatic happens when he hits a pose.

Dorian's quadriceps are not even in the same realm as Coleman's. It is a disgrace to even compare them, let alone claim Dorian's are actually better!


Ronnie < Quad Size > Dorian
 - Self Explanatory

Ronnie < Quad Striations > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence



Ronnie < Quad Separation > Dorian
 - Refer to Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Vascularity > Dorian
 - So fucking obvious

Ronnie < Quad Sweep > Dorian
 - Visual Evidence

Ronnie < Quad Strength > Dorian
 - Irrelevant, but fun to include nonetheless 

Ronnie < Quad Balance > Dorian
 - Dorian's vastus medialis is overdeveloped (or rather, vastus lateralis underdeveloped).
 - Nonexistent separation between the rectus femoris and vastus lateralis

Comprehensive, exhaustive analysis.
The guide is definitive.
The visual evidence is irrefutable.

Coleman's quads at the 2003 were laughable , an absolute joke , overdeveloped , lacking in shape , striations and deep cuts , you post a pic from 1997 obviously not Dorian's best shape , which shows your bias and lack of ability to he honest , especially if you think 2003 Ronnie's quads were the best lol again Ronnie huge overdevelped quads , way out of proportion with his hams & quads not to mention is calves , the only problem with Dorian's quads were his upper seperation , I love how you overlook all of Colemans quads faults but hop on what you precieve to be Dorians , one thing is painfully obvious ,  Dorian's quads are balanced especially in relation to calves & hams , so once again you've exposed yourself as nothing more than a biased Coleman-Zealot with nothing new to add to the debate that hasn't been said before .

And I love how in your comprehensive exhuasted analyisis you left out the satorious muscle something Coleman lacks and the pic you posted was post-tear of the quad msucles , so much for your objectivity .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Praetor Fenix,
  Let this be a lesson to you that you cannot argue with the Deity. He is narcissistic, you know.

LMFAO Awesome post lol at least someone gets it !!

[Praetor Fenix]

When I reffer to Ronnie's forearms as being twigs , they are in realtion to his biceps/triceps , his forearms at 287lbs are huge and impressive but still not in proportion with his biceps/triceps , thats not debateble , thats something you obviously don't care about because you're like Ronnie you think all muscles should be developed to thier maximum and proportion & balanced be damned , but these are the exact same thing that hurt many of his poses

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You keep stating his forearms are too small, but you have yet to provide a single example.
I will ignore these claims in the future unless you post a relevant picture or you cite documented measurements. There isn't even a slight indication that they are out of balance, nevermind the fact that even if they were, it would not be an issue unless the differential was glaring.

And again , his delts aren't small I never claimed they were small , they're bigger than my head , but in relation to his back double bicep shot , his biceps/triceps are so massively overdeveloped they make his delts look small , they're a lot bigger than his delts in that shot , it's been like this since he first turned Pro and continues to this day

Once again, his deltoids do not look small in the back-double bicep. Clearly larger than Dorian's.
Ronnie's biceps peaks extend well beyond the apex of his deltoids, but that is a good thing.

Dorian's "superior balance" can be chalked up to his non-existent biceps peaks.
The judges reward athletes with peaks, and the fans prefer them.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You think his forearms are in balance with his biceps/triceps then its time for new glasses , look at the delts man , look at the delts they're small than his biceps/triceps !! look at Dorian at 269lbs almost 20 pounds lighter and Ronnie can't hold a candle to this .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Typical Coleman fan , you use what you consider to be great shots of Ronnie vs not his prime Dorian , well anyway Ronnie would kill to have denisty & dryness like this !! not to mention width , thickness and detail .

[pumpster]

but in relation to his back double bicep shot , his biceps/triceps are so massively overdeveloped they make his delts look small

Utter garbage-Yates' delts CLEARLY overpower non-existing flapjacks biceps. Coleman's bis & delts harmonize perfectly, none of the imbalance seen with Yates.

Yates no doubt has excellent density, have always said so-but that in itself isn't enough to make up for glaring imbalances between delts and bis.

[Praetor Fenix]

You think his forearms are in balance with his biceps/triceps then its time for new glasses , look at the delts man , look at the delts they're small than his biceps/triceps !! look at Dorian at 269lbs almost 20 pounds lighter and Ronnie can't hold a candle to this .

Ronnie's deltoids are not facing the camera dead-on like Dorian's.
Anyone with depth perception will take into account that Ronnie's deltoids are slightly elevated.

Secondly, you are complaining because Ronnie's biceps actually peak?!
That is the only appreciable difference. Dorian's arms are underdeveloped, yet you are attempting to subtly pass this off as better balance with his deltoids. His arms do not look impressive whatsoever in that picture, and though his deltoids have decent size (not nearly as large as Ronnie's), they lack detail and separation. Pretty pathetic ND...

Here is a far better reference.

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COLONIC CALAMITY.