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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3375 on: June 06, 2006, 05:34:45 AM »
Mindlessly going on about balance while admiting you don't care about biceps size..amazing jumps in logic.. ???

Balance is not everything, when most of the physique isn't special.

I never side I don't care about biceps , but you need more than just overdeveloped ones and balance isn't everything but it adds to the overall effect , couple balance & proportion , with size & density , and dryness and detail , etc then you have Dorian  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3376 on: June 06, 2006, 05:36:14 AM »
Oh don't you know? Dorians arms are better than colemans.

Never let ND live this one down as long as he inhabits this board.

Quote me in context jackass  ;) Dorian's triceps are better and his forearms are better and his arm as a whole has better balance throughout , quote me in context or don't quote me at all  ;) chico

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3377 on: June 06, 2006, 05:37:02 AM »
Only in specific areas. What about the rest?

The same place Coleman's calves & muscle balance & proportion are !!   ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3378 on: June 06, 2006, 05:37:21 AM »
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I never side I don't care about biceps , but you need more than just overdeveloped ones
I don't think you're comprehending that Coleman's tris aren't terribly out of balance, they're huge.

It's weak to suggest that someone with mediocre arms that are sadly in balance has an edge, it's bizarre.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3379 on: June 06, 2006, 05:40:03 AM »
I don't think you're comprehending that Coleman's tris aren't terribly out of balance, they're huge.

It's weak to suggest that someone with mediocre arms that are sadly in balance has an edge, it's bizarre.

medicore arms? you're dead wrong on that one sport , maybe mediocre biceps , but not forearms or triceps , nice try , but you've failed , Ronnie has a thin sidehead tricep oddly shapped rearhead and his forearms look like bowling pins skinny at the top and big at the bottom , and they sure as hell don't match up in terms of balance & proportion to his biceps/triceps !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3380 on: June 06, 2006, 05:43:13 AM »
Ronnie wished he looked like this from the front !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3381 on: June 06, 2006, 05:43:49 AM »
You simply can't see well, and make the observations of a novice. Coleman has great arms with size, cuts and shape in both bis & tris. Simply you saying it's not true doesn't make it so, the evidence is in the pics for any idiot to peruse.

Yates on the other hand, is a nightmare re: arms, which is why you like the front lat spread that hides the defficiencies. Even that shot doesn't hide the lack of detail on his arms, though.

Someone said i shouldn't use a shot in which Yates only had one arm. It applies-even the unaffected arm's mediocre, which he failed to notice. Both arms are completely overwhelmed in size by Yates torso, as always. That's aside from the putrid lack of shape & aesthetics.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3382 on: June 06, 2006, 05:45:10 AM »
Oh God ... *shakes head*

Bodybuilding 101: There are 3 criterium for judging.

a) Muscle Size (we both agree Ronnie wins)
b) Muscle Symmetry (Dorian has terrible symmetry, particularly his arms)
c) Muscle Maturity (Ronnie wins, hands down)

Its obvious from well over 200 pages of debate divided among multiple threads that you *think* Dorian Yates has better triceps. However, your opinion is not valid from the standpoint of the criteria official judges use to critique an Olympia-calibur physique. Bodybuilding is no doubt subjective, but at least there are some concrete grounds.

I'm sorry but you can't seriously argue that his triceps are better just because he has a pretty kink in his lateral head.  ::)
You ignore the fact that his lateral head, surgically implanted on Ronnie Coleman's arm, would look grossly undeveloped relative to Ronnie's long head. That said, Dorian Yate's lateral head actually OVERPOWERS his long head! That just goes to show how shitty his triceps are (relative to Coleman of course)!

Hell you could post a picture of Larry Scott and argue that his biceps are the best.
After all, he did invent the preacher curl and had quality muscle all along his insertion tendon.
His biceps are some of the best in history, taken in isolation, yet if you were to put him on stage with any competitor in 2004 to compare biceps, he would lose unanimously.

The same issue applies to Dorian. The judges could care less that his lateral head has a better shape ... when Coleman has far superior mass, conditioning, symmetry, density, and maturity. If bodybuilding was centered on the subjective aesthetic, like your argument, a mass monster would never win a contest.

  Wrong! to better elucidate the situation for your gaming-geek ass, I will explain to you how a bodybuilding judging rules.

1. Muscularity: This is in relation to body size, and is dictated by how massively developed a muscle is, in relation to the bone girth that supports it. Muscularity is NOT an absolute measure of "size" - as you put it -, but rather a measure of how far a man has taken his muscle size in relation to his bone structure. If this weren't the case, then Greg Kovacs, with his 28' arms, would be Mr.Olympia. The fact that muscularity is not dictated by absolute size is evident by the fact that Dorian defeated Haney at the muscularity round of the 91 O, even though they were roughly equivalent in size.

  I'm sorry, bu Ronnie only matches Shadow, in muscularity, when he's 280+ lbs. When both are 250+ lbs, it's no contest: Dorian destroys him. Look at when they were both competing at 250+ lbs and Dorian got straight-firsts in the muscularity round at the O, while Coleman barely made the top ten. To mach Dorian for muscularity, Ronnie needs to be some 30+ lbs heavier than him. the proble is that he loses so much detail, hardness and striaions, at that bodyweight range, that it simply isn't worth it. Furthermore, even then, Ronnie only MATCHES Dorian for muscularity - and still gets defeated when it comes to density and conditioning! :o

2. Musco-skeletal balance: Dorian wins hand down. At 250 lbs, Ronnie did have good muscular balance. But even then, his overall look was compromised in that he has a long waist, poor calves, abs and obliques, lats that insert high and deltoids were more massive than his pectoralis major. Buy he's still competitive, at least when it comes to muscle balance

  When Ronnie is over 270 lbs and especially over 280 lbs, conversely, BOTH his muscular and skeletal balance become terrible. He has a massive gut, little to none details on his abs and lats, severely reduced details on his quads, hams and delts. Also, at hat weight range, his lower body overpowers his upper body, due to his giant, shapeless quads and his delts-traps complex overpowers his chest and is overpowered by his waist. Ugly! :o :-\ Terrible! The fact that you like his goes o show that you like the "World's Strongest Man" type of physique. While there's nothing wrong with that, it is simply not BODYbuilding, but just plain MASSbuilding.

3. Mandaories: This is where it all ties in together. In the mandaories, the judges analyse the bodybuilder's musculariy WIHIN the symmetrical balance of the pose. The 250+ lbs Dorian would defeat the 250+ lbs Ronnie in ALL mandaories, except perhaps the front double biceps. He would take Ronnie out even in the back double biceps! :o Abs-and-thighs? Dorian. Most muscular? Tie. Rear lat spread? No contest: Dorian. Side triceps? Dorian. Dront double biceps? Dorian. Side chest? Dorian. Game over.

  As you can see, saying that coleman would defeat Dorian, with boh of them being at their best bodyweight(250+ lbs) is just plain silly. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3383 on: June 06, 2006, 05:54:13 AM »
I don't think you're comprehending that Coleman's tris aren't terribly out of balance, they're huge.

It's weak to suggest that someone with mediocre arms that are sadly in balance has an edge, it's bizarre.

By ND's logic, you could have 13 inch arms that were better "balanced" and they would be better than colemans.

Utterly bizarre, as is the majority of this man's assertions.

CHEEK O!  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3384 on: June 06, 2006, 05:56:04 AM »
LOL

Coincidence you used this picture to debate conditioning, and not triceps?  ;)



So far you have only managed to post his triceps in a fully-flexed side-tricep shot (could it be because they look god awful in just about every other pose possible?).
Then you proceed to juxtapose them with Coleman's, yet the pictures of Coleman are always either in transition, taken from an entirely different angle, and/or a pose not intended to showcase his triceps.

Look how poor his symmetry is. His right triceps doesn't appear to even have a medial head (the medial head is the exceedingly small muscle located directly under the long head, for you anatomy noobs). Yet his left arm showcases a medial head that almost rivals his long head!
Need I mention, as evidenced by just about every picture you have posted, his triceps don't have a single striation anywhere.

  PraetorFenix(geek... ::) ;D), you have no idea what a great side triceps looks like. Ronnie does have greater overall mass in his triceps - as you would expect of a guy who competes over 280 lbs -, but more mass does not always translate into better. Roonie's side tris is deeply flawed in that his outer head is a short muscle belly and that his biceps are too big for his overall triceps size. If this were a contest to see who has the best outer head of the triceps, then Coleman would win. unfortunately for him, this is a BODYBUILDING coparison, where things like balance in he muscle and in relation to others is more importan than having a greatly developed head(only one out of three!). See below what I mean by Ronnie having short triceps muscle bellies and Dorian having superior balance.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3385 on: June 06, 2006, 05:58:20 AM »
You simply can't see well, and make the observations of a novice. Coleman has great arms with size, cuts and shape in both bis & tris. Simply you saying it's not true doesn't make it so, the evidence is in the pics for any idiot to peruse.

Yates on the other hand, is a nightmare re: arms, which is why you like the front lat spread that hides the defficiencies. Even that shot doesn't hide the lack of detail on his arms, though.

Someone said i shouldn't use a shot in which Yates only had one arm. It applies-even the unaffected arm's mediocre, which he failed to notice. Both arms are completely overwhelmed in size by Yates torso, as always. That's aside from the putrid lack of shape & aesthetics.





What the fuck would you know about a fair & acuurate comparison ? you're clueless , you really are you continue you post pics from 94 & 97 to studio shots of Coleman and oddseason pics , you're retarded lol you can't handle a fair comparsion because thats why you insist on posting the same pics , and again you think for one moment the only criterian for a great double bicep shot is giant overdeveloped biceps and quads? think again , post all the crummy pics of Yates you want I can post 50 times those of Coleman , on stage lol when he was winning contest !! you go away now and let the adults conversate .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3386 on: June 06, 2006, 05:58:28 AM »
Pithy & concise. ND & SUCKMYASSHOLE can feel the walls caving in on them..The emporor's clothes have been torn off to reveal ugly tris that aren't much bigger than sad biceps. No amount of ND obfuscation and blabbering can change the fact that Yates entire upper arm-tris & bis, are mediocre.

To recap: Yates' arms, both bis AND tris, are immenently forgettable.. SUCKYMYASSHOLE...TAKE NOTE. You're welcome for the lesson in physiology.

  Girl...I know more abou the physiology of the triceps than you do about the phsysiology of the entire female reproducive system... ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3387 on: June 06, 2006, 06:07:36 AM »
By ND's logic, you could have 13 inch arms that were better "balanced" and they would be better than colemans.

Utterly bizarre, as is the majority of this man's assertions.

CHEEK O!  ;)

Bad analogy sport , Dorian's triceps & biceps while not overdeveloped like Coleman's aren't small by any stretch of the imagination , so by my logic ( something you severly lack ) a great double bicepshot incompasses , a great balance between ALL muscles not just the arms to have the maximum impact in this pose !! and just because you personally like Ronnie's freaky front double bicepshot , it doesn't mans Dorian's sucks or is lacking , because clearly its not to unbiased eyes .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3388 on: June 06, 2006, 06:12:58 AM »
  The fact that "PraetorFenix" thinks that the 280+ lbs version is he best one of him, goes o show hat he likes absolute muscle size...without any considerations for balance, density, details, ecthiness and taper. Yeah, the 280+ lbs Roonie is so fantastic! :o ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3389 on: June 06, 2006, 06:16:27 AM »
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Quote me in context jackass   Dorian's triceps are better and his forearms are better and his arm as a whole has better balance throughout
Listen A-HOLE, simply CLAIMING something without substantiation is mindless and is sadly what you & SUCKMYASSHOLE DO. Kid's stuff.

I've already made a clear case that Coleman's arms are better, bis and tris. You haven't been able to refute let alone answer any of the points i've made regarding  Yates' evident, all 'round upper arm weaknesses. Posting more side-tri shots is meaningless.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3390 on: June 06, 2006, 06:19:13 AM »
  Funny how Huckster keeps saying how cut Ronnie's quds is. I can't see it, especially when compared to Dorian's! :D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3391 on: June 06, 2006, 06:19:27 AM »
SUCKMYASSHOLE makes unsubstantiated claims about Coleman then as usual does absolutely *nothing* to corroborate falsified claims. All very familiar by now.

Posting more side-tri shots discredits you, do you understand that finally? Doesn't address clear evidence that Coleman blow him away on triceps as well, and thus on arms altogether. Far superior size & shape, cuts almost as good.
YATES' TRIS ARE ONLY PARTIALLY DEVELOPED = ONLY GOOD SIDE TRI SHOTS.

20 PAGES LATER STILL WAITING FOR THOSE GOOD OVERHEAD SHOTS.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3392 on: June 06, 2006, 06:30:16 AM »
Listen A-HOLE, simply CLAIMING something without substantiation is mindless and is sadly what you & SUCKMYASSHOLE DO. Kid's stuff.

I've already made a clear case that Coleman's arms are better, bis and tris. You haven't been able to refute let alone answer any of the points i've made regarding  Yates' evident, all 'round upper arm weaknesses. Posting more side-tri shots is meaningless.

One you've proven nothing , two you're arguing with yourself in terms of biceps , three Ronnie doesn't beat Dorian in terms of triceps , he has an oddly shapped rearhead & a very thin sidehead , plus bowling pin forearms , both is biceps & triceps are so overdeveloped they make his forearms look like twigs , thats called poor balance & proportion , once again you're agruing with yourself about biceps/triceps size , no one is saying Dorian has bigger arms , in terms of triceps I would say Dorian has better triceps and forearms not to mention a excellent balance throught his entire arm , Ronnie has the much bigger & better biceps and bigger triceps , his biceps are so big they make his delts look small in the rear double bicep shot .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3393 on: June 06, 2006, 06:32:11 AM »
blah, blah, blah. The mutterings of a mental patient talking to himself.

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both is biceps & triceps are so overdeveloped they make his forearms look like twigs
You've always had that kid-like inability to read between the lines and overlook the big picture. His forearms could be bigger, same with Schwarzenegger-does anyone care that much? Arms are still great.

In reality (not yours) it matters little given the greatness, except to nerds.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3394 on: June 06, 2006, 07:24:09 AM »
Man, if I never see another picture of Ronnie Coleman's ass, it will be too soon.

But just to settle this once and for all  ;) , here's an excerpt from Jon Hotten's fine book "Muscle". DISCLAIMER: Hotten is British and has just spent a long chapter teabagging his countryman Yates.

<< [Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique. >> [emphasis mine]

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3395 on: June 06, 2006, 07:33:40 AM »
Man, if I never see another picture of Ronnie Coleman's ass, it will be too soon.

But just to settle this once and for all  ;) , here's an excerpt from Jon Hotten's fine book "Muscle". DISCLAIMER: Hotten is British and has just spent a long chapter teabagging his countryman Yates.

<< [Coleman's 1998 Olympia victory] was not a definitive win. In 99, Big Ron was lucky to defeat Flex Wheeler again. Levrone thought he'd beaten him twice, in 2000 and 2002. At the 2002 show, Levrone had won both of the evening rounds (a year on, at the Olympia press conference before the 2003 show, Coleman would chide Levrone, asking him, 'When was the last time you beat me?' Levrone replied, 'Last year.'). In 2001, Jay Cutler beat Ronnie in both the first two rounds and lost by four points.
   Coleman had not replicated the dominance of Haney and Yates. He always seemed slightly vulnerable, protected as much by protocol as his physique. >> [emphasis mine]

  HA HA HA! ;) Totally protected by protocol! How could THIS win a Mr.O? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\BOTH Jay and Dexter Jackson look far superior to Ronnie... :'(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3396 on: June 06, 2006, 07:36:57 AM »
  HA HA HA! ;) Totally protected by protocol! How could THIS win a Mr.O? :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\BOTH Jay and Dexter Jackson look far superior to Ronnie... :'(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3397 on: June 06, 2006, 07:37:15 AM »
SUCKMYASSHOLE makes unsubstantiated claims about Coleman then as usual does absolutely *nothing* to corroborate falsified claims. All very familiar by now.

Posting more side-tri shots discredits you, do you understand that finally? Doesn't address clear evidence that Coleman blow him away on triceps as well, and thus on arms altogether. Far superior size & shape, cuts almost as good.
YATES' TRIS ARE ONLY PARTIALLY DEVELOPED = ONLY GOOD SIDE TRI SHOTS.

20 PAGES LATER STILL WAITING FOR THOSE GOOD OVERHEAD SHOTS.

  Go back and read my post, poop, where I explain why Dorian has a FAR superior side tris than Ronnie. Even someone with your I.Q should be able to understand it, if you read it ten time over. ;)

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P.S:Overhead shots? Who do you think Ronnie is? Sergio Oliva? Lee Priest? Ronnie never had a great overhead shot. ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3398 on: June 06, 2006, 07:39:29 AM »
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I explain why Dorian has a FAR superior side tris than Ronnie
You BLOCKHEAD-I've already said that, then confirmed that it's close-ON THE ONLY TRI SHOT YATES HAS. You've selectively decided to ignore that.

But that's only one shot dumbass-still waiting for anything other than side shots. Had you actually read any of the other posts or looked at the pics..you're not even reading the posts of others, are instead having a conversation with yourself.. :-X

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #3399 on: June 06, 2006, 07:40:08 AM »
The usual gyno also showing :-\

  Yep! :D

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