Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

First, let me preface my parapraph with the following: you are really annoying and contribute nothing to this thread. Its obvious you were recruited by ND for the sake of greater numbers. Its painfully evident that you don't have the foggiest f*cking idea what is really going on in here. ND has sent you to the front lines despite the fact you haven't gone through bootcamp / AIT.
That is ND's strategy though, quantity at the expense of quality and content. He figures a browser will see his massive comma-filled paragraphs and assume he is knowledgeable since he produced so much information. In reality, he is merely copy & pasting old shit and making a few minor changes here and there.

That said, Yates is not in contest condition in that picture. We all know that Ronnie dwarfs Dorian, so I'm not entirely sure what that picture is intended to prove. However, that photo DOES portray Dorian as larger than the others, so it is ND's desperate attempt to show that Yates has comparable muscularity, which he does not. Most of the flaws are painfully evident.

ND was trying to argue that Yates is LARGER and more muscular in that picture than Ronnie. So as a result, pumpster posts a picture of a much larger Coleman at a similar juncture in his contest preparation, making Dorian look rather light. You really need to read some of these posts first and educate yourself, your blind defense of ND and Dorian is comical...

You wanted proof I provided I backed up my claims with visual proof and you're not man enough to admit you may be wrong , thats okay typical Coleman fan , Natural Al was not recruited by me , he's basically stood out of this debate and to my knowlege hasn't claimed either to be better , so once again you're wrong do some more research

Those black & white pictures of Dorian are famous for a reason !! Peter MCGough said that phsyique was the best he ever seen uptil that point including personally seeing Sergio Oliva in 1972 , he's 269lbs and hard as nails while Coleman in 2003 may be 18lbs bigger most of the weight is redundant mass it didn't help his structure or balance and a good deal of it is in his gut his his conditioning is less than stella Dorian at 269lbs owns Coleman at any weight  

[natural al]

First, let me preface my parapraph with the following: you are really annoying and contribute nothing to this thread. Its obvious you were recruited by ND for the sake of greater numbers. Its painfully evident that you don't have the foggiest f*cking idea what is really going on in here. ND has sent you to the front lines despite the fact you haven't gone through bootcamp / AIT.
That is ND's strategy though, quantity at the expense of quality and content. He figures a browser will see his massive comma-filled paragraphs and assume he is knowledgeable since he produced so much information. In reality, he is merely copy & pasting old shit and making a few minor changes here and there.

That said, Yates is not in contest condition in that picture. We all know that Ronnie dwarfs Dorian, so I'm not entirely sure what that picture is intended to prove. However, that photo DOES portray Dorian as larger than the others, so it is ND's desperate attempt to show that Yates has comparable muscularity, which he does not. Most of the flaws are painfully evident.

ND was trying to argue that Yates is LARGER and more muscular in that picture than Ronnie. So as a result, pumpster posts a picture of a much larger Coleman at a similar juncture in his contest preparation, making Dorian look rather light. You really need to read some of these posts first and educate yourself, your blind defense of ND and Dorian is comical...

first off, I don't know ND.  I've pm'd him on 2 occasions.  Once asking for pics of the 81 Olympia, which he had and once thanking him.  So you say I don't contibute anything to this thread?  Well that's your opinion and that's fine.  That being said I think if I posted the same comments and was siding with you you would have a different opinion.  I really never said who I thought was better so that's really a mute point.  What would you like me to comment on?  Since you know so much why don't you give me something and lets see what i can do with it.  

Second, it's funny that I dont' contribute anythig yet you back my opinion.  That's a little moronic if you ask me.  It' s funny how you guys-you and pumpster-get all bent out of shape when someone does not agree with your opinion..which come to think of it, in the last 50 or so pages have I ever said that Dorian was better than Ronnie?  No.  I said that I don't think pumpster knows what he's talking about.  I called him out on his conspiricy shit and he backed down.  So I'd say I contributed something.  I pointed out that Ronnie does not look as good now as he did in his first couple of O wins.  That's something.  

what's comical about you and you're boys is that you don't see what a mess ronnie is now that he's "bigger" than dorian.  No seperation, no striations where there used to be some all over.  So what if he's bigger, he looks like absolute shit.  Dorian probably could have been much bigger on stage if he chose to sacrifice his health and his hardness and condition to the point that ronnie has.  Ronnie was great..he's not anymore.  Ronnie is probably the biggest guy ever to win the O.  He probably has the best genetics but the sport is at an alltime low in terms of TV and public appeal, whos to blame?  Well Ronnie is leading the way.  Maybe if he looked like he did back in 98 or 99 the sport would still have some TV coverage and I wouldn't have a beef with him.  Funny how a guy who claimed to be natural when he turned pro is now a total roid/gh/insulin monster.  Funny how you fail to admit that Ronnie was a middle of the packer until he hired Chad and now look at him.  He looks like garbage.  At least Dorian, for all of his genetic flaws presented himself as a pro.  He was in shape, except for 94, he was always ripped.  he was tanned he was prepared.  He posed very well.  he knew how to hit his manditories, Ronnie still looks like an amature when he poses and he does not hit his manditories as well as Dorian did.
Just cause I don't agree with ya doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.  

[Praetor Fenix]

No crackpot its called balance & proportion or lack there of , and I've been complainig about that since day one and Fenix asked for proof and I provided

Thats not what I object to.
I object to you trying to assert that Dorian would actually win a back-double bicep (or, for that matter, any pose) against Ronnie because Dorian has better forearms. The forearms are a very minor bodypart, and Ronnie's "deficient" forearms would never lose to Yates' torn bicep, biceps with non existent peaks and small bellies. It is quite simple. Really.

Yates' bicep deficit is glaring, whereas Coleman's forearm deficiency is exceedingly minor at best, if not non-existent altogether. I guarantee some judges would not consider his forearms too small, and those that happen to would NEVER mark him down as much as they would Yates for his biceps. You seem to celebrate whenever you find a minor problem with Ronnie's physique, then you proceed to blow it out of proportion as though it is equivalent to Yates' major deficits (they aren't). Its a matter of scale son.

[ribonucleic]

Still doesn't change the fact that he has the best biceps in the history of bodybuilding.

Please.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Probably 2002 Olympia. Coleman's biceps really flattened out that year. Atrophied.


Still doesn't change the fact that he has the best biceps in the history of bodybuilding.

SICK!

His forearms are the same size in both pics   SICK balance ( not )

[Praetor Fenix]

Please.

Nice picture of a Red-X.
But seriously, we can debate "Best Biceps Ever" in a separate thread.
Ronnie's are 100% than Dorian's, and thats all that matters in the context of this debate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Thats not what I object to.
I object to you trying to assert that Dorian would actually win a back-double bicep (or, for that matter, any pose) against Ronnie because Dorian has better forearms. The forearms are a very minor bodypart, and Ronnie's "deficient" forearms would never lose to Yates' torn bicep, biceps with non existent peaks and small bellies. It is quite simple. Really.

Yates' bicep deficit is glaring, whereas Coleman's forearm deficiency is exceedingly minor at best, if not non-existent altogether. I guarantee some judges would not consider his forearms too small, and those that happen to would NEVER mark him down as much as they would Yates for his biceps. You seem to celebrate whenever you find a minor problem with Ronnie's physique, then you proceed to blow it out of proportion as though it is equivalent to Yates' major deficits (they aren't). Its a matter of scale son.

Dorian's bicep in those B&W's isn't torn FYI and he doesn't beat Ronnie because of the forearms , he beats Ronnie because his overall shot is outstanding in almost every aspect , size , width , density , conditioning , detail , balance , proportion , musculairty , thickness , and the same can be said with the pic I posted with the green backround , while on paper Ronnie may have ' better ' parts as a whole his backdouble biceps shot cannot beat Dorians .

[Praetor Fenix]

His forearms are the same size in both pics   SICK balance ( not )

How many times do I have to say it before it finally registers in your brain:
THE FOREARMS ARE A MINOR BODYPART.

Not only are they minor, Coleman's are not nearly as bad as you make them out to be.
King Kamali ... now there is a bodybuilder with undersized forearms that are quite obvious.
Most judges would not penalize Coleman for them at all, especially because they look really good in the most muscular. If a judge did mark him down, it would be a very minor subtraction.
Not even 5% of the reduction Yates would receive for those disgusting biceps.

They really aren't an issue at all though ... as evidenced by these photographs

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie getting owned dispite his superior triceps to Gustavo and he's not Dorian lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

How many times do I have to say it before it finally registers in your brain:
THE FOREARMS ARE A MINOR BODYPART.

Not only are they minor, Coleman's are not nearly as bad as you make them out to be.
King Kamali ... now there is a bodybuilder with undersized forearms that are quite obvious.
Most judges would not penalize Coleman for them at all, especially because they look really good in the most muscular. If a judge did mark him down, it would be a very minor subtraction.
Not even 5% of the reduction Yates would receive for those disgusting biceps.

They really aren't an issue at all though ... as evidenced by these photographs

Hey like calves they don't count , typical Coleman fan , Dorian is full of weaknesses yet Coleman isn't  the forearms wouldn't make him lose a contest but I proved my claim about his balance & proportion regaurdless if you admit it and things like that become evident standing next to someone who great balance & proportion with size to match and hardness

[Praetor Fenix]

Dorian's bicep in those B&W's isn't torn FYI and he doesn't beat Ronnie because of the forearms , he beats Ronnie because his overall shot is outstanding in almost every aspect , size , width , density , conditioning , detail , balance , proportion , musculairty , thickness , and the same can be said with the pic I posted with the green backround , while on paper Ronnie may have ' better ' parts as a whole his backdouble biceps shot cannot beat Dorians .

It isn't torn, but its grossly asymmetrical with the bicep on the left, and even you can't deny it.
In fact, I would be surprised if thats partly a reason as to why it tore in the first place. Heavy underhand rows and a clear difference in size, shape, and development between right and left.
They are asymmetrical, small, and they aren't even peaked.

"Outstanding in almost every aspect" ... shut the f*ck up with your blanket statements already.

As I said, Ronnie deltoids are larger and more separated, Ronnie's biceps are larger with a significantly better peak, his triceps are clearly deliniated and have more "hang", his V-taper is significantly better, Dorian's christmas tree is obscured in the back double bicep whereas Ronnie's is readily apparent. Ronnie's hamstrings and glutes blow Dorian out of the f*cking water.
Superior latissimus dorsi width. More back detail. Thicker lats. Comparable size/thickness w traps.

Dorian? Calves, forearms. LOL What a joke.

If you consider barely edging Ronnie out on the extremities (calves, forearms, 2 of the most unimportant bodyparts in bodybuilding) "outstanding in almost every aspect" then you are even more of an idiot than in my original estimation.

[Praetor Fenix]

Hey like calves they don't count , typical Coleman fan , Dorian is full of weaknesses yet Coleman isn't  the forearms wouldn't make him lose a contest but I proved my claim about his balance & proportion regaurdless if you admit it and things like that become evident standing next to someone who great balance & proportion with size to match and hardness

I never said they don't count, but you honestly think that they could mitigate Dorian's long laundry list of flaws?

Calves, Forearms do NOT exceed Chest, Quadriceps, Hamstrings, Glutes, AND Biceps.
It is simple arithmetic (2:5), and thats assuming EVERY bodypart is esteemed to be EQUAL.
The calves and forearms are taken into consideration, but not to the same extent as the bodyparts I just mentioned, because the bodyparts I mentioned are larger, more prominent, and more centrally located.

[Praetor Fenix]

Ronnie getting owned dispite his superior triceps to Gustavo and he's not Dorian lol

Ronnie was off in 2005. It is well-known that his arms were smaller that year.
Stop using off years in a desperate attempt to actually make a point for once.

How would Gustavo, (or Dorian for that matter), look standing up against THIS!
Look at how much larger / fuller his arms are.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie was off in 2005. It is well-known that his arms were smaller that year.
Stop using off years in a desperate attempt to actually make a point for once.

How would Gustavo, (or Dorian for that matter), look standing up against THIS!
Look at how much larger / fuller his arms are.

LMFAO to bad that didn't show up on contest day and Dorian beats any side tricep you can come up with its one of his signiture shots

[NarcissisticDeity]

It isn't torn, but its grossly asymmetrical with the bicep on the left, and even you can't deny it.
In fact, I would be surprised if thats partly a reason as to why it tore in the first place. Heavy underhand rows and a clear difference in size, shape, and development between right and left.
They are asymmetrical, small, and they aren't even peaked.

"Outstanding in almost every aspect" ... shut the f*ck up with your blanket statements already.

As I said, Ronnie deltoids are larger and more separated, Ronnie's biceps are larger with a significantly better peak, his triceps are clearly deliniated and have more "hang", his V-taper is significantly better, Dorian's christmas tree is obscured in the back double bicep whereas Ronnie's is readily apparent. Ronnie's hamstrings and glutes blow Dorian out of the f*cking water.
Superior latissimus dorsi width. More back detail. Thicker lats. Comparable size/thickness w traps.

Dorian? Calves, forearms. LOL What a joke.

If you consider barely edging Ronnie out on the extremities (calves, forearms, 2 of the most unimportant bodyparts in bodybuilding) "outstanding in almost every aspect" then you are even more of an idiot than in my original estimation.

This picture just burns your lame statement up like gasoline  Ronnie doesn't come close to this overall , period.

[natural al]

Ronnie was off in 2005. It is well-known that his arms were smaller that year.
Stop using off years in a desperate attempt to actually make a point for once.

How would Gustavo, (or Dorian for that matter), look standing up against THIS!
Look at how much larger / fuller his arms are.

well since you called me out...Ronnies been off for years.  In fact he's been off more times than he's been on.  funny how you guys can keep on using pics from 94 when Doz was lookin bad but you get all bent out of shape when Ronnie looks terrible.  Funny how that logic works.

[Praetor Fenix]

first off, I don't know ND.  I've sent him a love letter on 2 occasions.  Once asking for pics of the 81 Olympia, which he had and once thanking him.  So you say I don't contibute anything to this thread?  Well that's your opinion and that's fine.  That being said I think if I posted the same comments and was siding with you you would have a different opinion.  I really never said who I thought was better so that's really a mute point.  What would you like me to comment on?  Since you know so much why don't you give me something and lets see what i can do with it.

I would prefer if you read the previous comments with greater attention and didn't take pumpster out of context so often, thats all. Rather than contributing to the argument itself, its as though you look for error on our side and then bring it to light.

That said, how about you comment on Dorian's quadriceps and/or biceps for me?  

Second, it's funny that I dont' contribute anythig yet you back my opinion.  That's a little moronic if you ask me.  It' s funny how you guys-you and pumpster-get all bent out of shape when someone does not agree with your opinion..which come to think of it, in the last 50 or so pages have I ever said that Dorian was better than Ronnie?  No.  I said that I don't think pumpster knows what he's talking about.  I called him out on his conspiricy shit and he backed down.  So I'd say I contributed something.  I pointed out that Ronnie does not look as good now as he did in his first couple of O wins.  That's something.

You would be frustrated too. We have refuted ND's arguments page after page, yet he still raises them overtly or as underlying assumptions time after time. I'm all for clean, honest, fresh debate.
But I'm confident that ND is cutting and pasting previous arguments and rearranging them. After all, I type at 170wpm and when I'm done with a post there are always 1-2 new ones of his waiting for me. ND can't seem to accept my answers, but he won't address them outright either.

Ronnie's best year is irrelevant. I prefer to use 2003, but the main issue is finding a peak Ronnie (whatever you envision that to be) and pitting him up against a peak Dorian from whatever year is preferable. That is ND's known reaction too, try to subtly shift the subject to Ronnie's best year while ignorning how the Ronnie actually stacks up to Dorian in the initial year.

I hate to admit it, but ND is terrified of comparing Dorian to 2003 Ronnie. He attempts to hide this by criticizing 2003 Coleman's midsection, but at the end of the day, he is trying desperately to shift the debate to a smaller, lighter Coleman without the overwhelming mass that would decisively beat Dorian from the standpoint of any objective analyst.

what's comical about you and you're boys is that you don't see what a mess ronnie is now that he's "bigger" than dorian.  No seperation, no striations where there used to be some all over.  So what if he's bigger, he looks like absolute shit.  Dorian probably could have been much bigger on stage if he chose to sacrifice his health and his hardness and condition to the point that ronnie has.  Ronnie was great..he's not anymore.  Ronnie is probably the biggest guy ever to win the O. 

Regardless, Ronnie was good enough in 2003 to soundly defeat Dorian. He wasn't perfect, but you can't come out and say he had no striations and no separation. It is inaccurate and stupid.

Quad striations & detail


No separation???


Dorian was too injury prone. He would never be able to build the amount of quality muscle that Coleman has accumulated. That H.I.T. bullshit is for the dogs...

He probably has the best genetics but the sport is at an alltime low in terms of TV and public appeal, whos to blame? 

Oversized, not particularly handsome men ambling aimlessly on stage has never had mass appeal.
Coleman has absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding's appeal to the public (or lack thereof).

Well Ronnie is leading the way.  Maybe if he looked like he did back in 98 or 99 the sport would still have some TV coverage and I wouldn't have a beef with him.  Funny how a guy who claimed to be natural when he turned pro is now a total roid/gh/insulin monster.  Funny how you fail to admit that Ronnie was a middle of the packer until he hired Chad and now look at him.  He looks like garbage.  At least Dorian, for all of his genetic flaws presented himself as a pro.  He was in shape, except for 94, he was always ripped.  he was tanned he was prepared.  He posed very well.  he knew how to hit his manditories, Ronnie still looks like an amature when he poses and he does not hit his manditories as well as Dorian did.
Just cause I don't agree with ya doesn't mean I don't know what I'm talking about.  

See, this is why I said you contribute nothing. You raise several interesting points, but the only problem is they have nothing to do with this thread whatsoever.

- Ronnie's best year : irrelevant
- Ronnie's influence of bodybuilding television coverage : irrelevant
- Ronnie's dependence on steroids : irrelevant
- Ronnie's posing ability : irrelevant

Don't get me wrong, you seem like a cool guy, but you directly proved my initial point.
You don't really know what's going on in this thread, hell, you don't even seem to understand the topic. That doesn't mean I want you to leave or anything, but your excursions encourge ND to revert away from the main topic, which he loves to do at every/any opportunity because sadly, he knows deep down inside that he has lost.

[natural al]

I would prefer if you read the previous comments with greater attention and didn't take pumpster out of context so often, thats all. Rather than contributing to the argument itself, its as though you look for error on our side and then bring it to light.

That said, how about you comment on Dorian's quadriceps and/or biceps for me?  

You would be frustrated too. We have refuted ND's arguments page after page, yet he still raises them overtly or as underlying assumptions time after time. I'm all for clean, honest, fresh debate.
But I'm confident that ND is cutting and pasting previous arguments and rearranging them. After all, I type at 170wpm and when I'm done with a post there are always 1-2 new ones of his waiting for me. ND can't seem to accept my answers, but he won't address them outright either.

Ronnie's best year is irrelevant. I prefer to use 2003, but the main issue is finding a peak Ronnie (whatever you envision that to be) and pitting him up against a peak Dorian from whatever year is preferable. That is ND's known reaction too, try to subtly shift the subject to Ronnie's best year while ignorning how the Ronnie actually stacks up to Dorian in the initial year.

I hate to admit it, but ND is terrified of comparing Dorian to 2003 Ronnie. He attempts to hide this by criticizing 2003 Coleman's midsection, but at the end of the day, he is trying desperately to shift the debate to a smaller, lighter Coleman without the overwhelming mass that would decisively beat Dorian from the standpoint of any objective analyst.

Regardless, Ronnie was good enough in 2003 to soundly defeat Dorian. He wasn't perfect, but you can't come out and say he had no striations and no separation. It is inaccurate and stupid.

Quad striations & detail


No separation???


Dorian was too injury prone. He would never be able to build the amount of quality muscle that Coleman has accumulated. That H.I.T. bullshit is for the dogs...

Oversized, not particularly handsome men ambling aimlessly on stage has never had mass appeal.
Coleman has absolutely nothing to do with bodybuilding's appeal to the public (or lack thereof).

See, this is why I said you contribute nothing. You raise several interesting points, but the only problem is they have nothing to do with this thread whatsoever.

- Ronnie's best year : irrelevant
- Ronnie's influence of bodybuilding television coverage : irrelevant
- Ronnie's dependence on steroids : irrelevant
- Ronnie's posing ability : irrelevant

Don't get me wrong, you seem like a cool guy, but you directly proved my initial point.
You don't really know what's going on in this thread, hell, you don't even seem to understand the topic. That doesn't mean I want you to leave or anything, but your excursions encourge ND to revert away from the main topic, which he loves to do at every/any opportunity because sadly, he knows deep down inside that he has lost.

well since you obviously can't debate me on issues you go and change my post.  Man, you're a smart guy.  You really showed you're true colors there assclown.  As far as mass appeal, there you go again not knowing what the hell you're talking about.  Lets see BB was on ESPN for years, I've got the 86 O on video and it continued for years until........ronnie turned into a bloated shadow of his formere self.  Funny how those 2 events coincide with each other isn't it?  Funny how you just want to look at Ronnie's Best years isn't it.  As far as I'm concerned you're as big a jackass as pumpster.  At least ND and Hulkster can debate a subject, they never stooped to the level of changing a post.  You're an asshole plain and simple.  You were johnny come lately in this thead..where were you 100 pages ago? 

Finally..I've never said that Dorian was better than Ronnie...I just find it odd that morons like you won't give Dorian any credit for his Olympia's and all you can do is knock the guy.  At least ND will give ronnie credit where it is due...you might want to learn how to do that in the future.

[Praetor Fenix]

HAHAHAHAHA



Dorian looks mediocre above dude. His traps are deliniated, that's about it.
His back looks flat as a pancake. His forearms are equivalent to Ronnie's in that picture.
Plenty of separation but he simply gets outclassed by sheer size. Nice arms too...  

As I've said before, condtioning is only 1/3 of bodybuilding.
Dorian CANNOT TOUCH Ronnie's muscularity OR symmetry, so this is a moot comparison.
Once again, I win you lose.




Equivalent separation, delineation, and conditioning with far superior size.
Ronnie > Dorian.

[pumpster]

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Ronnie getting owned dispite his superior triceps to Gustavo and he's not Dorian lol

Pure desperation; quite clearly they're not the same distance from the camera..DUH!

Note to ND and his sidekick "natural":
Forearms AND calves, the two areas you obsess on out of desperation, aren't as important. Sad that you didn't know it but now you do.

[pumpster]

At least ND and Hulkster can debate a subject

"Natural" AKA dork with no content really debases his credibility with this one. There's been plenty of proof provided by many regarding Coleman, BECAUSE THE PROOF'S NOT HARD TO FIND.

[natural al]

Pure desperation; quite clearly they're not the same distance from the camera..DUH!

Note to ND and his sidekick "natural":
Forearms AND calves, the two areas you obsess on out of desperation, aren't as important. Sad that you didn't know it but now you do.

again you prove you're a moron.  When did I ever say that forearms and claves are more important than anything else?  Quote me jackass or shut the fuck up.

[natural al]

"Natural" AKA dork with no content really debases his credibility with this one. There's been plenty of proof provided by many regarding Coleman, BECAUSE THE PROOF'S NOT HARD TO FIND.

I think the only thing this thread has proved is that you can post garbage pics that don't show shit.  it's also proved your a moron.  It's proved you have no credibility cause you still won't answer the question to one of your main arguements about 100 pages ago and it proves you know nothing about bodybuilding.  no go PM you're recruit Praetor Fenix, and come up with your next strategy.

[pumpster]

When did I ever say that forearms and claves are more important than anything else?

ND SAID IT WHICH MEANS YOU AGREE DUFUS.
He has no opinions of his own, as ND's attack dog. hahahahahahahah

[Praetor Fenix]

well since you obviously can't debate me on issues you go and change my post. Man, you're a smart guy.  You really showed you're true colors there assclown.

I made one small edit for fun and it was clear as day that it was MY revision. Relax  
It didn't interfere with the content of your message whatsoever, stop overreacting.

As far as mass appeal, there you go again not knowing what the hell you're talking about.  Lets see BB was on ESPN for years, I've got the 86 O on video and it continued for years until........ronnie turned into a bloated shadow of his formere self.  Funny how those 2 events coincide with each other isn't it?  Funny how you just want to look at Ronnie's Best years isn't it. 

I'm not interested in debating this point until the current thread has resolved.
Ronnie did not struggle with abdominal distension until 2001. You are omitting 15 years man.

As far as I'm concerned you're as big a jackass as pumpster.  At least ND and Hulkster can debate a subject, they never stooped to the level of changing a post.  You're an asshole plain and simple.  You were johnny come lately in this thead..where were you 100 pages ago? 

Stop whining. I didn't change any important content in your post and the part I did fix, which was entirely cosmetic, i highlighted so it was blatantly obvious that it was MY intentional edit.
I apologize, I won't do it again, but don't act as though I can't debate fairly.

Why should it matter that I entered the thread late? Since you want to know, I have been around for ~4 years, but I've been quite inactive. My schedule is considerably lighter this summer, so I have the time necessary to read, write, and debate. I simply didn't have the time beforehand, though as I said earlier, I regret that I wasn't here to support Hulkster from Page 1.

Now that I am here however, I promise you I will not be going anywhere until this is resolved.

Finally..I've never said that Dorian was better than Ronnie...I just find it odd that morons like you won't give Dorian any credit for his Olympia's and all you can do is knock the guy.  At least ND will give ronnie credit where it is due...you might want to learn how to do that in the future.

This is a comparison thread. Emphasis on COMPARISON. Obviously Dorian is an awesome athlete.
All of our statements should be read as relatives, not absolutes. Anything we criticize or berate, we criticize or berate with Ronnie Coleman as the relevant template in mind.