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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4225 on: June 14, 2006, 03:38:15 PM »
Why would steve reeves (at the time) be opposed to taking steroids when none of the bullshit associated with them nor potential health effects known?

I think it would tarnish the man's reputation in ND's eyes

Reeves competed from 1946 -1950 and the first oral anabolic steroid wasn't produced until 1958 by Dr John Ziegler who worked for Ciba labs , the Nazis were injecting testosterone into German troops to make them more agressive and once the Russians learned this they started using testoserone on their weightlifters and started cleaning house in the Olympics , Ziegler who was the team Dr for the United States weightlifting team got the Russian team Dr drunk on Vodka and he confessed he confessed they were using test on their athletes , after learning this he returned to the US and started experimenting on weightlifters ( not bodybuilders ) and then he created Dianabol the worlds first oral anabolic steroid , its not until the late 1950s that weighlifters started using D-bol and then it made its way out west to the bodybuilding scene the earliest I've read was 1960 and one of the first bodybuilders that I heard of taking D-bol was Bill Pearl

Now put this into context Steve Reeves retired in 1950 at the age of 24 because the sport lacked challenges , he won every major title there was and he wanted to try his hand at acting , thats a full 10 years after Reeves retired that the drugs made their way out to the West coast , up until 1954 no one in the United States was experimenting with injectable testosterone and that was 4 years after he retired , so its not possible for him to take either testosterone or dianabol

And besides Reeves address that claim in his book , he said he never took any steroids , he was strictly against them in the sport and he doesn't know why Kurt Marul would make the claim in Wendy Leighs book about Arnold , use some logic , lets say he did use what would be to gain by lying about ? if you've ever read anything from Steve Reeves , about Steve Reeves you'll quickly learn he was a man of integrity above all else , a man of honor , a no nonsense type of guy

There was a story of Arnold meeting Reeves for the first time and Arnold told Reeves oh you were a idol for me growing up I wanted to be just like you and Reeves look Arnold dead in the eyes and said " Don't give me that bull shit Arnold , I read your book and you said Reg Park was your idol. " and Arnold response was " thats because I could never be like you . "

A lot of people either don't know or forget that there was once a time when bodybuilding was a healthy activity when there were no drugs , no cocktails of drugs , no GH , insulin , IGF1 , plasma expanders , synthol , no guts , when bodybuilders are atheletic and could go all sorts of things without the need of an oxygen tank , when there was no endorsements , contracts , or prize money , when a title and the respect of your peers was the greatest prize one could get , this was Steve Reeves time

So when you look at Steve Reeves character and the fact that steroid wern't even avaiable at the time he was competing it all becomes clear !!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4226 on: June 14, 2006, 04:11:15 PM »
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Incoherent babbling? I'm not going to allow an utter RETARD, such as yourself, say that to me. You didn't understand what I said, now did you? My point was that blaming Weider's politics on Dorian becoming Mr.O is laughable, because most Mr.O have been both Black and American

1/ The grammar in your initial reply was attrocious & barely understandible.

2/ I've substantiated the basis for the likelihood of politics, you haven't proven otherwise.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4227 on: June 14, 2006, 04:15:17 PM »
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Reeves competed from 1946 -1950 and the first oral anabolic steroid wasn't produced until 1958 by Dr John Ziegler who worked for Ciba labs , the Nazis were injecting testosterone into German troops to make them more agressive and once the Russians learned this they started using testoserone on their weightlifters and started cleaning house in the Olympics , Ziegler who was the team Dr for the United States weightlifting team got the Russian team Dr drunk on Vodka and he confessed he confessed they were using test on their athletes , after learning this he returned to the US and started experimenting on weightlifters ( not bodybuilders ) and then he created Dianabol the worlds first oral anabolic steroid , its not until the late 1950s that weighlifters started using D-bol and then it made its way out west to the bodybuilding scene the earliest I've read was 1960 and one of the first bodybuilders that I heard of taking D-bol was Bill Pearl
In long-winded fashion you've said what was already mentioned by someone else-test was available in the 40s and 50s.

Getting away from the trivia, Oliva seems like one of the more honorable guys in BB actually. Part of why he didn't like Weider and didn't want to peddle his products.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4228 on: June 14, 2006, 04:33:02 PM »
In long-winded fashion you've proved nothing. Someone else correctly pointed out that test was already available and could have served a similar purpose, thereby defeating whatever you've said about CIBA, which i was already familiar with.

Look at it this way Steve Reeves flat out denied every taking steroids in fact he was very much opposed to them in bodybuilding , so unless you have any concrete proof he used everything you or your " someone else " says if hearsay

When you look at Reeves as a person its clear that he is a man in ingetrity and if he used he would have nothing to lose by being honest about in fact one of the first of the old school pros that I know of who admitting to taking D-bol was Bill Pearl , so if you want to believe Reeves was on , then I can't change your mind even if it goes against logic , reason and the truth .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4229 on: June 14, 2006, 04:42:20 PM »
Bottom line Oliva's more believable than just about anyone else who comes to mind.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4230 on: June 14, 2006, 04:47:30 PM »
Oh and pumpster just how did the Weiders screw Sergio at the 71 Universe Pro when he lost to Bill Pearl ? it was a NABBA event and not IFBB

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4231 on: June 14, 2006, 04:50:07 PM »
I think you just like pointless arguing for it's own sake. That and seeing things in black & white; just because one example's not IFBB hardly devalues the proposition.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4232 on: June 14, 2006, 04:52:16 PM »
Bottom line Oliva's more believable than just about anyone else who comes to mind.

Okay let me get this straight? Sergio is more than Steve Reeves when it comes to Reeves on steroid use? please tell me you're joking? lol and what the hell makes him more believable than anyone else? is it because it fits your conspricy adgenda? lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4233 on: June 14, 2006, 04:54:44 PM »
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"Shut the F up and train"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4234 on: June 14, 2006, 05:01:15 PM »
The essential point wasn't Reeves, it was Oliva's immenently believable points on both politics and some of the doubious contest results, including some involving Yates.

Secondarily, the central character's often the least believable; Reeves would have had his own motives for denial, IF he used which I don't know.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4235 on: June 14, 2006, 05:03:57 PM »
I think you just like pointless arguing for it's own sake. That and seeing things in black & white; just because one example's not IFBB hardly devalues the proposition.

You made the claim that Sergio was the victim of Weider politics and he's complaing he was also a victim when Bill Pearl beat him in 1971 at a NABBA contest see a pattern here? maybe lost legitamtely ? now obviously if that was true about the Weiders then what about the NABBA ? why did they prevent him from losing?


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This is an area of great interest for people. I don't care who wants to take steroids, because that's a personal choice... that's his life. Now, today, everybody has access to them. I even saw in one of the big magazines that Arnold denies having used them, but Arnold was one of the first to bring steroids over to America. And everybody in the old days used them: Zane, Columbu, myself, Arnold, Larry Scott, Harold Poole, Dave Draper, and even Steve Reeves. There's no way to deny it. It wasn't much, nothing like today. But the development of drugs is much different. I used decca and dianabol, and that was something really big at the time; and decca was not considered that bad. It was even prescribed by doctors to help make your bones strong.
 I've never seen any magazines article where Arnold denies he took steroids , he's always been very frank about his use , and why deny it at all? back then they were legal without a prescription , and how could Arnold be one of the first people to bring steroids over here if they've been here according to your ' someone else ' since the 1940s? your story has a LOT of holes in it .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4236 on: June 14, 2006, 05:08:13 PM »
The essential point wasn't Reeves, it was Oliva's immenently believable points on both politics and some of the doubious contest results, including some involving Yates.

Secondarily, the central character's often the least believable; Reeves would have had his own motives for denial, IF he used which I don't know.



Okay lets say the Weiders screwed Oliva , how he says screw the IFBB I'll go to Europe and compete in the NABBA and yet he claims he was screwed again by them , do you see a pattern of Sergio claiming he was a victim ?

And you underestimate Reeves character the man was a man of integrity .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4237 on: June 14, 2006, 05:32:16 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4238 on: June 14, 2006, 05:35:07 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4239 on: June 14, 2006, 05:42:53 PM »

Ronnie's arms are incredibly huge..
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4240 on: June 14, 2006, 05:45:44 PM »

King Coleman.. 8) The detail on the biceps is unlike any other in history.. :o :o :o
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4241 on: June 14, 2006, 05:51:22 PM »

Ronnie's arms are incredibly huge..


They are  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4242 on: June 14, 2006, 05:54:07 PM »

King Coleman.. 8) The detail on the biceps is unlike any other in history.. :o :o :o

Yates did that years ago  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4243 on: June 14, 2006, 05:54:41 PM »
it's good to be the king

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4244 on: June 14, 2006, 05:55:35 PM »
Yates wasn't a King. He was "The Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness" :-*
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4245 on: June 14, 2006, 05:59:15 PM »
it's good to be the king

don't be so sure :D
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4246 on: June 14, 2006, 06:02:01 PM »
Yates wasn't a King. He was "The Supreme Ruler of All Overratedness" :-*

Yates was the King a long time before Ronnie was , Ronnie was one of his loyal subjects  :P

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4247 on: June 14, 2006, 06:04:58 PM »
Yates will always be the supreme King of mediocrity; he was just keeping the seat warm until Coleman was ready to take over.

Coleman looking damn good for this late in his career; evident in watching the video that he is still clearly out in front of the others.

Yates...  :P ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4248 on: June 14, 2006, 08:27:23 PM »
1/ The grammar in your initial reply was attrocious & barely understandible.

2/ I've substantiated the basis for the likelihood of politics, you haven't proven otherwise.

  Poopster, of all people, has just criticized my grammar. :o :-\ I think I'm going to kill myself.

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P.S: Your comment on the politics of Joe Weider is laughable. Just laughable.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #4249 on: June 15, 2006, 02:24:07 PM »
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Coleman looking damn good for this late in his career;
very true. People bash Ronnie and act like he is 24 years old. He is in his mid 40's for God's sake!

He will be a 9 time Masters Mr. O. in the future too!

You read it here first 8)
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