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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5475 on: July 05, 2006, 04:56:15 PM »
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  All poop cares about are biceps...

Someone's a little defensive..last time I looked biceps matter? ???

Go back to calves, inner-thighs & ass-shots, where you're comfortable. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5476 on: July 05, 2006, 04:56:33 PM »
Meanwhile ND has yet to answer to any of the incriminating videos showing Yates getting owned 100 pages earlier!

Owned? lol biased eyes see what they want , remember I was routing for Flex in 93 NOT Yates  ;) so keep posting those 97 pics to Ronnie at his best it clearly shows your bias .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5477 on: July 05, 2006, 04:58:59 PM »
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Meanwhile ND has yet to answer to any of the incriminating videos showing Yates getting owned 100 pages earlier!


Owned? lol biased eyes see what they want , remember I was routing for Flex in 93 NOT Yates   so keep posting those 97 pics to Ronnie at his best it clearly shows your bias .


Defeaning silence continues on video ownage & poll results.. ::) ::) ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5478 on: July 05, 2006, 05:04:16 PM »
If you actually watch the videos and look at the pics instead of analyzing paragraphs, facts and figures, you will see than peak ronnie is clearly better.



lol who needs facts? or figures ? they mean nothing instead lets use bias and hero-worship  ::) get the hell out of here with that nonsense .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5479 on: July 05, 2006, 05:05:50 PM »
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who needs facts? or figures ? they mean nothing instead lets use bias and hero-worship   get the hell out of here with that nonsense .

There he goes again with the numbers. Bottom line: Yates at 240 lb. had 17" arms, which looks ludicrous. End of story.  ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5480 on: July 05, 2006, 05:06:16 PM »
Someone's a little defensive..last time I looked biceps matter? ???

Go back to calves, inner-thighs & ass-shots, where you're comfortable. ;D

  Speaking of ass shots...Ronnie has no striations and details, and no and overrall soft appearance. Oh, andit's not only the glutes, but also the hams, calves and all the back. How could this be the standard-bearer?:-\ ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5481 on: July 05, 2006, 05:07:35 PM »
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Speaking of ass shots...Ronnie has no striations and details, and no and overrall soft appearance. Oh, andit's not only the glutes, but also the hams, calves and all the back. How could this be the standard-bearer?

Do we care about ass-shots? Next SUCKY will give us his assessment of Coleman's package. :-X :-X :-X

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5482 on: July 05, 2006, 05:09:11 PM »
There he goes again with the numbers. Bottom line: Yates at 240 lb. had 17" arms, which looks ludicrous. End of story.  ;D

lol thats a pumpster-fact and in the halfway house that means something and it also may mean something else to the rest of the internet-fan-boys but in reality when you make lame ass claims anyone without bias laughs .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5483 on: July 05, 2006, 05:10:09 PM »
Do we care about ass-shots? Next SUCKY will give us his assessment of Coleman's package.

You care you tend to post them more than anyone else lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5484 on: July 05, 2006, 05:11:12 PM »
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You care you tend to post them more than anyone else lol

I'm not the one discussing it.."lol"

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5485 on: July 05, 2006, 05:15:17 PM »
I'm not the one discussing it.."lol"

You're the ones who brag to ad nasuem how how much bigger & better Ronnie's are and how many striations his have and how mature they are lol get serious and get back in the closet .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5486 on: July 05, 2006, 05:18:31 PM »
Do we care about ass-shots? Next SUCKY will give us his assessment of Coleman's package. :-X :-X :-X

  No, that I'll leave for you experts: Colemaniacs. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5487 on: July 05, 2006, 05:27:29 PM »
There he goes again with the numbers. Bottom line: Yates at 240 lb. had 17" arms, which looks ludicrous. End of story.  ;D
that is not yates at 240, more like 255-260 at the gran prix after the o 94

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5488 on: July 05, 2006, 07:01:25 PM »
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How can his taper be worse quality than Yates??
You have his deltoids, which was wider, larger, with much better separation. Check.
Ronnie's lats are wider and have lower origins, leading to a more elegant sweep and a less dramatic cutoff. Not to say Yates had high lats, but Ronnie's have better origins and a more graceful contour. Waist ... Ronnie's is slimmer. So you are meaning to say that his taper is worse quality since his obliques don't have quite as much detail? Damn, the obliques are hardly related to the V-taper, but ARE known to detract from it if they are too developed.

  Ronnie's delts were more massive; granted, he was 30 lbs heavier than Dorian was at his best. The thing here, unfortunately for Ronnie, is highly mathematical: the taper is the differential between the delt and waist width. The thing is that the 257 lbs Dorian does have a greater differential between delt and waist width, even if only a slight one.

  You are correct, that Ronnie, has genetically narrower hips than Dorian. Ok. The thing is that this is irrelevant, since this is a mathematical - not open to dispute - measure, at which Ronnie loses out. If anything, his genetically narrowerhips becomes a hindrance, since any increase in size makes it balloon to the sides, giving the midsection an awful shpe.

  I disagree with you that Ronnie's delts, at the 2003 Olympia, were better than Dorian's; they were bigger, that's it. Define better? While Ronnie's delts have always been one of his strong suits, such is also the case for Dorian's. Yates deltoids - folloing the pattern for his entire body - were actually harder than Ronnie's, with more balanced development between the front, middle and anterior heads. Ronnie also struck me ashaving particularly unbalanced delts, perhaps the result of doing way too many front presses - both bench presses and front military presses. Overrall, I think that Dorian's and Ronnie's delts are evenly matched: Ronnie's are bigger; Dorian's, more balanced and harder.

  I do feel the 257 lbs Dorian takes Ronnie out, when it comes to sheer taper, on several of the front poses, such as the front double biceps and the front lat spread. On the former, Ronnie is superior in muscularity and especially biceps, but loses out in symmetry because Dorian has a better shoulder-to-waist ratio, as well as more defined abs.

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The waist is not capable of this sort of fluctuation from year to year.
Appositional bone growth or adipose deposition can influence the circumference of the waist. Muscle gain/loss will have little/no effect sinWhat?  ???
ce there are too few articulating surfaces located on the perimeter of the waist. The outstanding majority of muscles originate or insert above or below the pelvic rim.


  Yes, it is. Ronnie himself admitted that he shaved three inches from his waist, from the 2001 to the 2002 Olympias. There are several factors which influence waist width: the thickness of the obliques and abdominl muscles, the amount of fat around and the shape and width of the hip bones.

  Ronnie Coleman did decrease the dramatic effect of his taper incredibly, from the 2002 to the 2003 Olympias. This was done in several ways: the amount of GH he took, coupled with very heavy squatting and dead-lifting - which indirectly works the abdominal muscles; the changes made by anabolic compounds on his fat-deposition locations, and the fact that most of his increase in delt size was caused by an increase in thickness and not width. All things considered, his taper was far less dramatic than in the previous year and especially in reltion to the 1998 Olympia. This is particularly noteworthy, since Ronnie had a better taper than Dorian when both of them were 257 lbs, but the former completely lost this advntage when he ween't to a weight of 287 lbs.

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Keep making stuff up though! If anything, Ronnie's waist looked larger in 2002 b/c it was roughly the same diameter, yet it was surrounding by a lot less muscle. Ronnie's abdominal distension was far worse in 2002 as well. Peter McGough even acknowledged his improvement in 2003 as far as keeping his waist in check was concerned. 2002 was one of his most distended years ever, and it was only exaggerated due to his lack of muscle.

  First of all, Ronnie's waist did not have the same diameter, in 2003, as it had in 2002. Period. Maybe in 2001. Secondly, the amount of muscle, around the waist, is immaterial to the dramatic effect of the taper, if the diameter of the waist remains the same. The quality of the taper can be affected by the definition of the obliques and abs, but the amount of muscle is always detrimental, for it worsens the taper.

  In my opinion, Ronnie had terrible taper in 2003. Sure, his taper, from the front, was still accepatable, because his hips are naturally so narrow. Yet, the 257 lbs Dorian does have a better shoulders-to-waist ration than Ronnie, even if not much better. Not only was Ronnie's taper, from the front, worse than Dorian's, but he was also inferior in shape: Ronnie's waist was clearly concave to the sides.

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Nope. The abdomen is pretty concealed in the side-chest.
In the ab/thigh Ronnie's distension has never been an issue, not even 2004.
May I remind you that he beat Dexter Jackson in the ab/thigh in 2004 too.  :)
The abdomen is tight in the front lat spread due to the elevation of the upper torso.
The side tricep, it would be an issue, but Ronnie would win by virtue of his superior quadriceps, hamstrings, chest, overall size, and triceps detail. An utter lack of striations in the side tricep, like Dorian, is very bad and would be immediately penalized.

  I disagree. When you hit a side chest shot, you push your abdominal cavity to the front, and rest your forearms on your lower abs. Thus, the entire upper portion of the abdominal cavity is not only visible, but purposefully made visible. The result is that Ronnie's gut distension, which is only visible, from the front, as slightly concave protusion of the abs, becomes a major liability. In fact, in all side shots, as well as in the symmetry round, this distension is a major liability, taking away from his balance. And when you realize that this distension came with a great decrease in abdominal and obliqual defintion, it is made even worse a liability, as far as acomplete bodybuilding criteria is held as ideal.

  When it comes to the mandatories, Ronnie's distension and overrall lack of hardness and details ould hinder: all side mandatories, the abs-and-thighs and the front lat spread. Dorian always had a more dramatic lat spread than Ronnie, and this superiority became even greater in 2003. The 257 lbs Dorian has a far more dramatic shoulder-to-waist ratio, better abdominal definition and comparable lat width. Point for Dorian. In the abs-and-thighs, Dorian loses out in quad size, but compensates by having as much separations - the 98 Coleman had much superior quad separtions than Dorian, but not the larger versions - and better hardness. His midsection just destroys Ronnie's, by having better taper and abdominals that are more defined and flatter.

  On the side shots, Dorian wins overrall in symmetry, due to not having a distension. In the side triceps, he also has better calves an foremarms. When it comes to the triceps themselves, they lose out in mass. But in the side triceps, Dorian's triceps has a better shape, ith a longer outer muscle belly head. Point for Dorian. In the side chest, again, Dorian wins in symmetry, due to not having a distension. He takes Ronnie out also in hardness. When it comes to the chest itself, Dorian even out with Ronnie: the latter is wider than Dorian, but Dorian's pecs are just as thick - check out the pic I've posted, one thousand times, of Dorian's most muscular.

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Ronnie owns Dorian from the front.
Quadriceps,Chest,Deltoids,Biceps,Traps are far superior to Dorian's. By a f*cking mile.
That leaves the usual for Dorian: calves, forearms, abdominals.
The calves/forearms are extremities and are not taken into serious account.
The abdominals are important, but Dorian's are not significantly better.
Ronnie's are well developed, feature deep separations, perfect symmetry albeit a wide linea alba. Dorian's abdominals are more detailed and better conditioned, but their superiority is not nearly as marked as Ronnie's superiority in the MAJOR bodyparts like chest, deltoids and quadriceps, the focal points of bodybuilding basically.

  Dorian has a superior lat spread and abdominals-and-thighs. Ronnie takes him out in quad size and that is it when it comes to his superiorities. Ronnie's obliques are just as thick as Dorian's, but Dorian has much better abdominal definition. His lats are comparable to Ronnie in width, ith the difference that, since his waist is smaller, his tper is far superior. . This is only a subjective point of view, my opinion, if you will, but i do think that, while Ronnie certainly takes Dorian out easily in quad size, Dorian has comparable details - something which Ronnie has on Dorian in 1998 -, but with better conditioning. And I do think that his quads are so humongous that they do overpower his upper body. Again, only my opinion, but many judges would agree, if they folloed the manuals when it comes to the overrall balance of the body. Ronnie's advantages, from the front, are restricted to chest width and quad size. In lat and delt width, they are comparable - even though Ronnie's delts are certainly thicker. When you put this in perspective, and add in Dorian's vastly superior abdominal definition and shoulder-to-waist ratio, Dorian is the superior bodybuilder from the front.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5489 on: July 05, 2006, 07:09:35 PM »
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I disagree with you that Ronnie's delts, at the 2003 Olympia, were better than Dorian's; they were bigger, that's it. Define better?

Define better? How about larger, more shapely, more vascular and WAY more detailed.


Dorian's delts never ever looked this good.


delts are another one of those freaky parts that Yates cannot and never will match Coleman in.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5490 on: July 05, 2006, 07:18:14 PM »
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the taper is the differential between the delt and waist width.



agreed. and its another area that Yates absolutely gets murdered in...

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« Reply #5491 on: July 05, 2006, 07:20:10 PM »
ND, you are truly a pathetic dipshit. You post the worst possible pics of Ronnie. You only use pics of him from his worst showings, in the middle of transition or backstage, and make comparisons where Ronnie is 3 inches shorter than Dorian. To top it all off, you have the audacity to criticize my comparisons saying I'm biased? F*ck you. I tried to find the best pics of Dorian and Ronnie from their best years, respectively. I even scaled them to the correct height. Here's an example.



*edit - for some reason it's not showing the white line I drew across their knees.

As you can see, everything matches up if we take into consideration Ronnie is an inch taller than Dorian. I admit my comparisons are not perfect. They might be off by a few centimeters, but they are a hell of a lot better than anything you've put forth so far. I haven't seen you attempt at least once to make an unbiased comparison. All I see is you spouting shit from your mouth in the last 200 pages.

I tried to use pics of Ronnie from 98/99 and Dorian from 93. Isn't the whole point of this argument to compare Ronnie to Dorian at their respective best? It was difficult to find pics of them hitting the same poses at the same exact angles. With the exception of the side triceps and rear double biceps, all the other pics of Dorian are from 93. If you can post a decent, color rear double biceps and side triceps shot of Dorian, then I will be glad to make another comparison. Until then, you can stfu with your bitching.

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« Reply #5492 on: July 05, 2006, 07:24:26 PM »

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Dorian always had a more dramatic lat spread than Ronnie, and this superiority became even greater in 2003.






Actually, Ronnie's lat spread holds up quite well. Its actually far more complete in terms of detail.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5493 on: July 05, 2006, 07:27:40 PM »


agreed. and its another area that Yates absolutely gets murdered in...



  I was addressing PreatorFenix, in regards to the 2003 Ronnie, you imbecile. Read before you reply. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5494 on: July 05, 2006, 07:32:58 PM »
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You post the worst possible pics of Ronnie. You only use pics of him from his worst showings, in the middle of transition or backstage
thats when he even bothers to use pics.

most of the time ND is doing his very best to avoid visual comparisons as best he can instead resorting to meaningless paragraphs, words, opinions, numbers facts and figures..

anything to avoid comparing the two pose for pose, because he knows dorian comes up short...


Dorian wins the ab and thigh and thats about it.

yes - even the front lat spread - watch the video of the 1999 olympia posted earlier. ronnie hits a front lat spread in his routine that has such a taper and such detail everywhere (including pecs and quads - areas that dorian did not display detail in during the lat spread) that even dorian's lat spread would lose...


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5495 on: July 05, 2006, 07:52:12 PM »
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ND, you are truly a pathetic dipshit.

That about sums if up. hahahahahhahahahahahah

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5496 on: July 05, 2006, 09:26:53 PM »
Let us go back, way back.  ND, you are a self proclaimed ironager who despises guts, unless they are protuberant and on a British Bulldog.  Well, this is what I was talking about when I said convex...Sucky, it means the stomach goes inward not outward (and sideways) like your hero.  Now, if Ronnie could have kept his waist like this, ND and his boys would have to shut the hell up.  Hey, I am being hypothetical...Oliver can.  ;D


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5497 on: July 06, 2006, 01:47:12 AM »
ND, you are truly a pathetic dipshit. You post the worst possible pics of Ronnie. You only use pics of him from his worst showings, in the middle of transition or backstage, and make comparisons where Ronnie is 3 inches shorter than Dorian. To top it all off, you have the audacity to criticize my comparisons saying I'm biased? F*ck you. I tried to find the best pics of Dorian and Ronnie from their best years, respectively. I even scaled them to the correct height. Here's an example.


*edit - for some reason it's not showing the white line I drew across their knees.

As you can see, everything matches up if we take into consideration Ronnie is an inch taller than Dorian. I admit my comparisons are not perfect. They might be off by a few centimeters, but they are a hell of a lot better than anything you've put forth so far. I haven't seen you attempt at least once to make an unbiased comparison. All I see is you spouting shit from your mouth in the last 200 pages.

I tried to use pics of Ronnie from 98/99 and Dorian from 93. Isn't the whole point of this argument to compare Ronnie to Dorian at their respective best? It was difficult to find pics of them hitting the same poses at the same exact angles. With the exception of the side triceps and rear double biceps, all the other pics of Dorian are from 93. If you can post a decent, color rear double biceps and side triceps shot of Dorian, then I will be glad to make another comparison. Until then, you can stfu with your bitching.

One MORON I never made any comparision pics of Ronnie VS Dorian if I ever posted any it was someone else who made them , so get the facts before you speak  ;)

Two I don't care if you put ' white lines ' between the two its commonsense Dorian doesn't have a smaller waist that Ronnie especially in 1999 and you can clearly see in the front double bicep picture that Dorian has the smaller waist of the two , so your comparision is bullshit period.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5498 on: July 06, 2006, 01:51:38 AM »
thats when he even bothers to use pics.

most of the time ND is doing his very best to avoid visual comparisons as best he can instead resorting to meaningless paragraphs, words, opinions, numbers facts and figures..

anything to avoid comparing the two pose for pose, because he knows dorian comes up short...


Dorian wins the ab and thigh and thats about it.

yes - even the front lat spread - watch the video of the 1999 olympia posted earlier. ronnie hits a front lat spread in his routine that has such a taper and such detail everywhere (including pecs and quads - areas that dorian did not display detail in during the lat spread) that even dorian's lat spread would lose...




LMFAO at a Coleman fan bitching about using fair pictures to compare the two , I've posted more pics of Dorian in the same pose at Ronnie in this thread than probably anyone so again get your facts straight !!

Dorian easily hands pre-gut Ronnie his ass in the following poses , sidechest , sidetriceps , abdominal & thigh , front & back latspreads , these shots are without question and the rest are debateable .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #5499 on: July 06, 2006, 01:54:59 AM »
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