Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Shockwave]

Well, Dillet could'nt pose for shit either, which doesn't show up much in pics, but is glaring in video..
His posing at the 94 O', he looks like he is having a seizure, twitching and spasming. Coupled with his sub-par back, I can see why he never won an O.

[pumpster]

You're basically admitting that he deserved to win except for posing.

[Shockwave]

You're basically admitting that he deserved to win except for posing.

I worded that poorly, sorry.
Dillet, IMO, was not complete enough to win an O... His back was not even average... It was sub-par.
A massive, impressive, but glaringly incomplete BB.
Dorian was much more complete, minus the Bi's in later years.

[pumpster]

Except that other than his back, he was better everywhere..

In frontal shots, he owns Yates the way Coleman would have.

[Shockwave]

Except that other than his back, he was better everywhere..

In frontal shots, he owns Yates the way Coleman would have.

Eh... he looks very comparable in this shot (and before you say it, yes I realize, epic standing close to the camera by Dorian)
He really only owns Yates on Bi's.. IMO...
From the back, no contest (obviously)

[MB]

I don't care how bad Dillet's back is claimed in the usual stock excuse as to why Yates could be completely dominated on the more important frontal shots and still win. It's inexplicable and of course unquestioned by IFBB/Flex/Iron Age clones.

Frontal shots are more important?  Since when?  You have to go through the mandatories one by one, and back shots count the same as front shots.  It's not inexplicable, it's mathematics.  With only half a physique, Dillett is not even in the conversation.   

[Oliver Klaushof]

94 - Dorian making Cormier look like a swimmer.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie hasn't had to beat any good competition since becoming Mr. Olympia.  His toughest opponent has been Jay Cutler.  Dorian competed in the best era in bodybuilding history and dominated everyone.  Ronnie has had a few close calls at the O, and even lost to Gunter in the SOS.  Dorian would pick Ronnie apart in the mandatories and it would be game over, just as it was every time they competed against each other.  If Manion (or Demilia) ever show up on PBBW, maybe Dan & Bob can ask their opinion on this debate. 

Someone who gets it !! thank God , you my friend are a genius.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Maybe now ND will be happy



 

Scale is still not right , even if you thickend the obliques .

[Bast175]

NarcissiticDeity.  Please refrain from posting in this thread.  Do it for the children.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I worded that poorly, sorry.
Dillet, IMO, was not complete enough to win an O... His back was not even average... It was sub-par.
A massive, impressive, but glaringly incomplete BB.
Dorian was much more complete, minus the Bi's in later years.

Great post this is exactly why Dillett couldn't close the deal . his back looks like a middleweights for Gods sake , nevermind his lack of crisp detail and thickness.

[FREAKgeek]

Ronnie hasn't had to beat any good competition since becoming Mr. Olympia.  His toughest opponent has been Jay Cutler.  Dorian competed in the best era in bodybuilding history and dominated everyone.  Ronnie has had a few close calls at the O, and even lost to Gunter in the SOS.  Dorian would pick Ronnie apart in the mandatories and it would be game over, just as it was every time they competed against each other.  If Manion (or Demilia) ever show up on PBBW, maybe Dan & Bob can ask their opinion on this debate. 

Nonsense.

How is Wheeler, Jackson, Levrone, Cormier, Ray, Badell, Schierkamp, Ruhl, James, etc. not good competition?
What was so great about the early 90's? The midsection was probably tighter but that's it. They had less mass and the conditioning wasn't any better.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Nonsense.

How is Wheeler, Jackson, Levrone, Cormier, Ray, Badell, Schierkamp, Ruhl, James, etc. not good competition?
What was so great about the early 90's? The midsection was probably tighter but that's it. They had less mass and the conditioning wasn't any better.

Wheeler , Levrone , Flex and Ray were all past their primes , Cormier has never gotten it together , Badell beat him in the challenge round , Gunther outright beat him period , Rhul hit or miss and James again looked best 3 weeks out , the 90s had some of the highest caliber feilds in the history of the sport , and conditioning was better in the 90s.

[pumpster]

Frontal shots are more important?  Since when?  You have to go through the mandatories one by one, and back shots count the same as front shots.  It's not inexplicable, it's mathematics.  With only half a physique, Dillett is not even in the conversation.   

Having a poor back is hardly lacking "half a physique"! Your math is terrible so let's review: Dillet trashes Yates on virtually every shot and loses on back. That puts Dillet ahead or at worst even.

I have news for you, since you only go by the book and are unable to read between the lines. Here's a secret: front shots are more important, and show muscles are more important than Yates inner-thighs n' calves..Yates wins all the less important stuff while failing miserably in more prominent areas.

[Oliver Klaushof]

Dillet looks like a giant swimmer compared to The Yates.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Having a poor back is hardly lacking "half a physique"! Your math is terrible so let's review: Dillet trashes Yates on virtually every shot and loses on back. That puts Dillet ahead or at worst even.

I have news for you, since you only go by the book and are unable to read between the lines. Here's a secret: front shots are more important, and show muscles are more important than Yates inner-thighs n' calves..Yates wins all the less important stuff while failing miserably in more prominent areas.

If you knew anything ( which you don't ) you'd understand that Dillett couldn't match Yates on the back as well as conditioning and posing . have you ever seen Paul pose? he has emense trouble holding poses this is a skill and has to be learned obviously Paul never devoted the time and his conditioning was hit or miss and never on par with Yates . whenever Paul got dry this is what happened.

[body88]

HAHAHAHA this thread is ridiculous!

[FREAKgeek]

That's a cheap shot. Dehydration is no laughing matter.

Well, maybe a little.

[FREAKgeek]

Wheeler , Levrone , Flex and Ray were all past their primes , Cormier has never gotten it together , Badell beat him in the challenge round , Gunther outright beat him period , Rhul hit or miss and James again looked best 3 weeks out , the 90s had some of the highest caliber feilds in the history of the sport , and conditioning was better in the 90s.

 A 98-99 Wheeler, 00 Levrone, 98 - 00 Ray did not look past their primes. Cormier and Gunter were beaten soundly in their respective primes.  An in shape James, Ruhl, or Badell would destroy any lineup pre 1995.

[FREAKgeek]

Oh yeah, and show me one runner up in the early 90's looking like this

[pumpster]

He's right-obsessing on dehydration's a sure sign of desperation, nothing to do with it. More teenie-bopper silliness from ND.

Dillet looks like a giant swimmer compared to The Yates.

Dillet looks like a swimmer? Man this guy does not know BB! Another shot of Dillet completely dominating Yates, making Yates the swimmer.

[NarcissisticDeity]

A 98-99 Wheeler, 00 Levrone, 98 - 00 Ray did not look past their primes. Cormier and Gunter were beaten soundly in their respective primes.  An in shape James, Ruhl, or Badell would destroy any lineup pre 1995.

Its common knowledge Flex was never the same after the accident , still awesome but not as good as he was , if Flex was 100% in 98 Ronnie wouldn't have won , Lervone should have beat Ronnie in 00/02 but he was better in the 90s again common knowlege he was a Lion at the begining of his career and fizzled out with time , I think 1994 was as good as it got for Shawn Ray he looked awesome at the 96 Olympia but not as sharp as 94 and post that he started dropping in his placings , I don't think we've ever seen a truly prime Cormier but he was sharp when Ronnie beat him in 99 , Guther looked great at the 2002 SOS and hasn't matched that since , Rhul , James and Badell would all get lost in a 90s feild , the above mentioned at their primes would dispose of them .

[body88]

Oh yeah, and show me one runner up in the early 90's looking like this

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh yeah, and show me one runner up in the early 90's looking like this

Here you go.

[delta9mda]

He's right-obsessing on dehydration's a sure sign of desperation, nothing to do with it. More teenie-bopper silliness from ND.

Dillet looks like a swimmer? Man this guy does not know BB! Another shot of Dillet completely dominating Yates, making Yates the swimmer.

what i see is a worst ever yates (94 olympia) with striations in his triceps.