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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6050 on: July 13, 2006, 06:53:53 PM »
Ronnie wins.

ND is biased. He's clearly a Dorian fanboy, which is why he thinks Dorian is better. And he tries to justify Dorian being better by saying that he had better overall arms. rofl

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6051 on: July 13, 2006, 06:58:44 PM »
Ronnie wins.

ND is biased. He's clearly a Dorian fanboy, which is why he thinks Dorian is better. And he tries to justify Dorian being better by saying that he had better overall arms. rofl

Wow that sums it all up  ::) great job expressing your opinion and backing it up with such a cool shot of Ronnie , you tool get out of my thread.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6052 on: July 13, 2006, 07:08:06 PM »
The only sure thing is that Yates was always pompous, never thought he deserved to lose even when he obviously did

"Jay Cutler should be reborn with better genetics" Ronnie coleman 2001, after stating that he deserved to win.
very humble of him, wasn't it?

I don't recall coleman ever claiming that he didn't deserve to win, despite his obvious flaws, narrow victories and loss during his olympia reign.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6053 on: July 13, 2006, 07:14:01 PM »
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I don't recall coleman ever claiming that he didn't deserve to win, despite his obvious flaws, narrow victories and loss during his olympia reign.

You're again missing the point-maybe if you really are that dominant and good, you can get away with it. Yates? He actually seems to believe he was that good; plenty of people don't agree. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6054 on: July 13, 2006, 07:53:57 PM »
Nothin new-basically all of those group shots show Yates in last place, owned by either Dillet, Ray, Lavrone, etc.
errrrr, who is owning who?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6055 on: July 14, 2006, 01:51:04 AM »
You're again missing the point-maybe if you really are that dominant and good, you can get away with it. Yates? He actually seems to believe he was that good; plenty of people don't agree. ::)

Again you have no point. you claimed Ronnie could get away with winning when he was off because he was ' that good ' and ' dominant ' yet the times he did almost lose he did not dominate his ' wins ' were extremly close by mere points .

And again you have very poor logic, because ' plenty of people don't agree ' Yates was good thus they render bodybuilding history moot? wow thats fantastic , plenty of people don't agree that we actually landed on the moon so I guess according to ' pumpster-logic ' it must be true  ::)

Look at facts not your fantasy, Dorian out of the two was by far the dominating bodybuilder. this isn't conjecture , fantasy or wishfull thinking. its a fucking fact he never placed below 2nd in a professional contest in his whole career , Ronnie has been dead last on more than one occasion. he's only lost twice in his professional career , Ronnie 35 times. Dorian in almost every one of his Mr Olympia wins won with a perfect score. Ronnie just 3 times out of 8.

You have nothing to counter that with , all you have is obvious bias towards Dorian because he beat your heros with ease and your reply is everything from he was hand picked by the Weiders because he was white to the judges carrying him his whole career despite it not even being close on the scorecards. until you can counter my arguments with cold hard facts and not you brand of bullshit do yourself a favor stick to posting pics of Dorian from 97 with ' ha ha ha ha ha ' attached. because everytime you ' try ' and type anything you get exposed for the idiot you are .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6056 on: July 14, 2006, 01:56:05 AM »
errrrr, who is owning who?

Well whats ironic is he saw that pic on the same site he got the other one , but he is deathly affraid of posting a pic of Yates when he in prime shape or looks better than the other guy a true sign of someone who lacks confidence in his opinion , he hands picks a few pics and says " here is Dorian looking 3rd or 4th " Paul Dillett awesome bodybuilder no doubt , but like Shawn Ray he was never going to beat Dorian Yates.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6057 on: July 14, 2006, 03:34:22 AM »
Again you have no point. you claimed Ronnie could get away with winning when he was off because he was ' that good ' and ' dominant ' yet the times he did almost lose he did not dominate his ' wins ' were extremly close by mere points .

And again you have very poor logic, because ' plenty of people don't agree ' Yates was good thus they render bodybuilding history moot? wow thats fantastic , plenty of people don't agree that we actually landed on the moon so I guess according to ' pumpster-logic ' it must be true  ::)

Look at facts not your fantasy, Dorian out of the two was by far the dominating bodybuilder. this isn't conjecture , fantasy or wishfull thinking. its a fucking fact he never placed below 2nd in a professional contest in his whole career , Ronnie has been dead last on more than one occasion. he's only lost twice in his professional career , Ronnie 35 times. Dorian in almost every one of his Mr Olympia wins won with a perfect score. Ronnie just 3 times out of 8.

You have nothing to counter that with , all you have is obvious bias towards Dorian because he beat your heros with ease and your reply is everything from he was hand picked by the Weiders because he was white to the judges carrying him his whole career despite it not even being close on the scorecards. until you can counter my arguments with cold hard facts and not you brand of bullshit do yourself a favor stick to posting pics of Dorian from 97 with ' ha ha ha ha ha ' attached. because everytime you ' try ' and type anything you get exposed for the idiot you are .

Er...Ronnie has won more shows than any other pro? That's a pretty good counter.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6058 on: July 14, 2006, 03:58:59 AM »
Bear - don't get overly concerned with facts and figures like ND constantly falls victim to. He'll retort with something along the lines that ronnie had been competing for years before he won anything unlike dorian who won the olympia on his second go.

What ND fails to grasp though, and this really does frustrate some of the more grounded members of the board is that the pictures, videos etc really don't lie. Ronnie has at his peak a far better physique than dorian could ever of dreamed of. No ones interested at all in competitive records or the fact that dorian beat ronnie (who again, according to some was just as good then as was he to get later on??) 8 times or whatever.

Its about who has/had the better physique and its pretty unequivocal that ronnie does.

The pro dorian crowd will even stoop so low as to suggest that somehow video makes ronnie look better but doesnt flatter dorian at all.

How on earth they reached this asseertion is beyond me.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6059 on: July 14, 2006, 06:29:06 AM »
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What ND fails to grasp though, and this really does frustrate some of the more grounded members of the board is that the pictures, videos etc really don't lie. Ronnie has at his peak a far better physique than dorian could ever of dreamed of. No ones interested at all in competitive records or the fact that dorian beat ronnie (who again, according to some was just as good then as was he to get later on??) 8 times or whatever.

Rampant nerdism-basically ND stupidly sees things in terms of numbers, which isn't BB and misses the point.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6060 on: July 14, 2006, 06:39:53 AM »
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you have to be the most retarded person on this board bar none !! I'm sorry to resort to saying that but your stupidity boogles the mind .

how the f**k can he dominate if he won by just 4 points in 2001 and 9 points in 2002 .

Translated that means that what i've said makes him whine more because i've nailed it.

As far as winning by only a few points, did I say he always dominated, dumbass? What you didn't pick up on yet again is that I said that unlike Yates, he's physically so far ahead that even when it's close he's still better.

One, two, three....DUH!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6061 on: July 14, 2006, 07:29:32 AM »
Er...Ronnie has won more shows than any other pro? That's a pretty good counter.
not in a dominating fashion.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6062 on: July 14, 2006, 08:02:52 AM »
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Er...Ronnie has won more shows than any other pro? That's a pretty good counter.

not in a dominating fashion.

Not in a dominating fashion as opposed to who exactly? At his best it hasn't been close. That just shows your bias. Short of Columbu, Yates was about the weakest multiple-winner there's been.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6063 on: July 14, 2006, 09:22:41 AM »
You're again missing the point-maybe if you really are that dominant and good, you can get away with it. Yates? He actually seems to believe he was that good; plenty of people don't agree. ::)

I guess your "plenty of people" does not include IFBB judges.
According the scores, Dorian was far more dominant. Coleman barely made it at a few olympias, and even lost the GNC SOS.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6064 on: July 14, 2006, 09:29:15 AM »
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I guess your "plenty of people" does not include IFBB judges.
According the scores, Dorian was far more dominant. Coleman barely made it at a few olympias, and even lost the GNC SOS.

Exactly why you should be an accountant. Look beyond your nose.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6065 on: July 14, 2006, 10:01:38 AM »
Er...Ronnie has won more shows than any other pro? That's a pretty good counter.


Yes thats true however thats NOT what he was refering to , he was saying that Ronnie can get away with being off and still dominate the opposition , which I have proved is BULLSHIT his near misses have not been dominating they've been extemely close like 01/02/04 so he just outright wrong

And Ronnie did win more shows but he hasn't dominated them his win percentage rate is just 42% vs Dorian's 88% he's lost while a Mr Olympia winner anyway his overall wins are very impressive .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6066 on: July 14, 2006, 10:09:22 AM »
in 1994 the score cards showed that the judges orgasmed over size, not quality.

thus, it did not look close on paper.

But if you read the mag reviews from the time period, watch the videos (youtube) and look at the pics, it is clear that the judges were wrong in their assertion that size eclipses all quality.

Thus, any knowledgable fan can see that dorian was outclassed that night by Shawn.

but he was not outsized, and thats all the judges cared about.

Dorian could have shown up with two torn arms, no abs, no back etc. but as long as he was BIGGER they would have awarded him the win without question.

Most people have the common sense to use their OWN EYES and can clearly see that Dorian did not deserve the win.

Others, like ND, blindly follow the judges inccorrect assertion that water-retaining mass is better than quality muscle.

How anyone can look at pics and videos of the 1994 show  and then agree with the fact that shawn was obliterated is beyond normal comprehension.

But then again, ND has never really had a clue.

  Huckster, you're so wrong here, on so many levels...First of all, if you think that all Dorian had, over his competitors, at the 1994 rendition of the Olympia was pure size and no quality, then the same can certainly be said for Ronnie in 2003/4. His distended midsection, thick obliques and poor abdominal definition, by itself, would already be enough to take away from any "quality" that he had. In 2004, all of these severe liabilities were compounded by Ronnie being retaining a thick film of water under his skin. And yet, you still think that Ronnie was a deserving winner of both these contests!

  Secondly, Dorian was not retaining water in 1994. If you knew one thing about Shadow, it is that he doesen't retain water. Ever. Period. Of his flaws - to which I never had any problem admitting to -, such as having naturally thicker obliques than Ronnie and poor separations on his front quads, lacking in conditioning was certainly not one of them. Dorian was as dry as the Atacama Desert in 1994. His only shortoming was the same as in 1996: his muscles looked flat, due to severe dehydration. That's it. But when it comes to hardness and dryness - as usual -, Dorian was simply out of this world. And remember that when it comes to conditioning, the 1993/5/6 Dorian set hat remains, even today, nine years after his retirement, the "gold standard", whih every pro tries to emulate. To quote Peter McGough:

  "No bodybuilder has ever been as hard as the man who won six Sandows."

  Julian Schmidt:

  "Dorian Yates, the densest, thickest, most annealed bodybuilder in history..."

  So while I an accept your criticisms in other areas, saying that Dorian was "retaining water" just makes you look silly. If you think Dorian should have lost in 1994 because all he had was size, then the same can be said about the grotesque, distended, un-detailed, lacking hardness and retaining water Ronnie of a decade later. Chek out. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6067 on: July 14, 2006, 10:14:12 AM »
Bear - don't get overly concerned with facts and figures like ND constantly falls victim to. He'll retort with something along the lines that ronnie had been competing for years before he won anything unlike dorian who won the olympia on his second go.

What ND fails to grasp though, and this really does frustrate some of the more grounded members of the board is that the pictures, videos etc really don't lie. Ronnie has at his peak a far better physique than dorian could ever of dreamed of. No ones interested at all in competitive records or the fact that dorian beat ronnie (who again, according to some was just as good then as was he to get later on??) 8 times or whatever.

Its about who has/had the better physique and its pretty unequivocal that ronnie does.

The pro dorian crowd will even stoop so low as to suggest that somehow video makes ronnie look better but doesnt flatter dorian at all.

How on earth they reached this asseertion is beyond me.



Typical Coleman fan lol don't pay any attention to the facts they don't mean anything  ::) again this isn't a democracy this isn't the majority rules and if more people think Ronnie is best than he is . If they met at their respective bests one thing would be certain NEITHER of them would have a easy time with the other and it would be a lot closer than what anyone thinks. I'm most certainly willing to concede Dorian may lose but he's most certainly has the abilty to win as well . Ronnie 98/99 isn't so far ahead of Dorian its NO contest not by a longshot , 98 he just barely beat Flex by 3 points a man whom Dorian consistantly beat and in 99 he weighed just the same as Dorian did in 93 [ 257lbs ] with less than perfect conditioning , neither of those showings are so far ahead of Dorian he couldn't compete reguardless of what you claim.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6068 on: July 14, 2006, 10:20:36 AM »
Translated that means that what i've said makes him whine more because i've nailed it.

As far as winning by only a few points, did I say he always dominated, dumbass? What you didn't pick up on yet again is that I said that unlike Yates, he's physically so far ahead that even when it's close he's still better.

One, two, three....DUH!

No no no ...don't backpeddle now sport , you claimed he
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You're again missing the point-maybe if you really are that dominant and good, you can get away with it. Yates? He actually seems to believe he was that good; plenty of people don't agree
you made the claim that even when he looked like garbage he was still " dominant and good " facts own you I proved outright with something you cannot dispute that when he was at his worse it was anything but " dominant" or " Good " and you compared it to Dorian in 94 which by the way using undisputed facts wasn't a close contest reguardless of what you say and it wasn't as close as Ronnie in 98/01/02/04 so don't backpeddle you've been exposed as a moron just like your other severly dumb comment that Ronnie can compensate for his gut size wise dispite being 23 pounds lighter than Dorian . these statements make you insanely stupid .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6069 on: July 14, 2006, 10:36:39 AM »
I guess your "plenty of people" does not include IFBB judges.
According the scores, Dorian was far more dominant. Coleman barely made it at a few olympias, and even lost the GNC SOS.

Great point . In the end the judges have the final say but that means zero to a Coleman fan lol he loses the symmetry & muscualarity rounds to Jay which at that point have never been done and ' wins ' the posing round to " beat " Jay by 4 points and somehow this is a dominant win? WTF?

They also claimed Ronnie was overlooked in 1998 at the prejudging and thats why he only won by 3 points , when in fact Ronnie was beating Flex after the prejudging and at one of his best conditions ever just barely beat Flex by just 3 points .

They also claim that at the 2002 SOS Gunther only won because he it was a ploy to drum up intrest in the 2003 Olympia  ::) and he was handpicked because he was blond blue eyed cuacasion because Ronnie could NEVER lose  ::)

delusion & bias from the whole lot of them .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6070 on: July 14, 2006, 10:48:26 AM »
People can dredge up meaningless 10 year old quotes to provide "evidence" of their ill founded assertions, that purport dorian was dominant but in posterity and retrospect, judging by videos, photos etc, that he was anything but dominant.

Any one can see this.

Ray, levrone et al must have been scratching their heads during the entire dorian era, a truly dark age for bodybuilding.

BFTO 96, ray said it best "a mr olympia shouldnt have one arm".

Great back, great calves but that was it.

Appaling judging standards.

A sad, sad era.

Without it, bodybuilding might be at better place than it finds itself currently.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6071 on: July 14, 2006, 10:57:55 AM »
People can dredge up meaningless 10 year old quotes to provide "evidence" of their ill founded assertions, that purport dorian was dominant but in posterity and retrospect, judging by videos, photos etc, that he was anything but dominant.

Any one can see this.

Ray, levrone et al must have been scratching their heads during the entire dorian era, a truly dark age for bodybuilding.

BFTO 96, ray said it best "a mr olympia shouldnt have one arm".

Great back, great calves but that was it.

Appaling judging standards.

A sad, sad era.

Without it, bodybuilding might be at better place than it finds itself currently.



Well the I.F.B.B. judging chair Jim Rockell said Dorian's torn bicep didn't make one shred of difference to his overall package , and I.F.B.B. judging chair for christs-sake , I love when people say Dorian was just " back & calves " lol it shows their ignoranace. clearly he was just a tad more than that because if he wasn't he would have never been a multiple Mr Olympia winner and beat some of the greatest of the 90s.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6072 on: July 14, 2006, 11:36:42 AM »
Well the I.F.B.B. judging chair Jim Rockell said Dorian's torn bicep didn't make one shred of difference to his overall package , and I.F.B.B. judging chair for christs-sake , I love when people say Dorian was just " back & calves " lol it shows their ignoranace. clearly he was just a tad more than that because if he wasn't he would have never been a multiple Mr Olympia winner and beat some of the greatest of the 90s.

Once again all you fall on is someone elses statement to provide your baseless argument.

Do youhonestly agree with that. That having a torn arm doesnt at all detract from your physique or affect your symmetry?

Come ND stop the nonsense.

If dorian is so much more than back and calves then please enlighten us, but don't bother listing stuff thats already been proved incorrect and false earlier in this thread.

That includes triceps, forearms, abs, delts, chest, quads which were all mediocre by top pro level with countless superior examples existing at the time.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6073 on: July 14, 2006, 11:59:21 AM »
While I don't agree his abs or delts are mediocre, ND indeed must surely concede, as Sculpture points out, that an almost non-existent bicep on one arm is a certified Bad Thing for a body builder to have?!?!  Is he really suggesting otherwise?!?! I hope not.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6074 on: July 14, 2006, 12:04:01 PM »
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Ray, levrone et al must have been scratching their heads during the entire dorian era, a truly dark age for bodybuilding.

Entirely agree-more evidence of the commercial interests of BB to allow this. Reminds me of the late 70s/early 80s, when most of the top BBs left because of the same injustices that are now ignored by most. Given enough time, absurd contest results become acceptable, especially to the unquestioning masses like ND and SUCKY.