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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6075 on: July 14, 2006, 12:06:19 PM »
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Come ND stop the nonsense.

If dorian is so much more than back and calves then please enlighten us, but don't bother listing stuff thats already been proved incorrect and false earlier in this thread.

To repeat: ND is getbig's Johnny Cockring-he recycles this garbage to the point that he actually starts believing it. "Deny, deny, deny". ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6076 on: July 14, 2006, 12:08:24 PM »
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quotePeople can dredge up meaningless 10 year old quotes to provide "evidence" of their ill founded assertions, that purport dorian was dominant but in posterity and retrospect, judging by videos, photos etc, that he was anything but dominant.

Most of their reasoning is based on dredging up & recycling already-known facts, placings and rankings that have precious little to do with reality. That's what followers do. :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6077 on: July 14, 2006, 01:01:01 PM »
Wow that sums it all up  ::) great job expressing your opinion and backing it up with such a cool shot of Ronnie , you tool get out of my thread.

I dig your avatar, ria is teh hot.

I'm sorry, I just thought I'd just put my foot in such a fantastic topic.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6078 on: July 14, 2006, 01:44:57 PM »
ND, why are you getting so touchy.  Isn't this a public board.  If not, by all means you have the right to ban people.  However, last I heard, you are not a mod.  Even if you were, that was one of the most assholish things you have said on this whole board (referring to our good friend from Dubai...jk).  ::) ::) ::)  If the dude agreed with you, would you be such a complete ass.  You need to step away from the computer and stop sinking to the caliber of your soulmate Suckymymonkey.  You are getting to be as much of a jerk as that moron.  Make your point and move on.  Debate reasonably and logically.  Hell, show some emotion, but don't be a friggin 10 year old bitch and cry when someone disagrees with you.  ::) ::) ::) Dude, you need a break from this thread as you are becoming paranoid.  People have both supported and been against you.  Nobody has asked you to leave the conversation.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6079 on: July 14, 2006, 01:47:44 PM »
Bear - don't get overly concerned with facts and figures like ND constantly falls victim to. He'll retort with something along the lines that ronnie had been competing for years before he won anything unlike dorian who won the olympia on his second go.

What ND fails to grasp though, and this really does frustrate some of the more grounded members of the board is that the pictures, videos etc really don't lie. Ronnie has at his peak a far better physique than dorian could ever of dreamed of. No ones interested at all in competitive records or the fact that dorian beat ronnie (who again, according to some was just as good then as was he to get later on??) 8 times or whatever.

Its about who has/had the better physique and its pretty unequivocal that ronnie does.

The pro dorian crowd will even stoop so low as to suggest that somehow video makes ronnie look better but doesnt flatter dorian at all.

How on earth they reached this asseertion is beyond me.



exellent post. Exactly what we all have been saying but that ND and Co. cannot admit.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6080 on: July 14, 2006, 01:50:41 PM »
Once again all you fall on is someone elses statement to provide your baseless argument.

Do youhonestly agree with that. That having a torn arm doesnt at all detract from your physique or affect your symmetry?

Come ND stop the nonsense.

If dorian is so much more than back and calves then please enlighten us, but don't bother listing stuff thats already been proved incorrect and false earlier in this thread.

That includes triceps, forearms, abs, delts, chest, quads which were all mediocre by top pro level with countless superior examples existing at the time.

another good post.

ND really has no clue.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6081 on: July 14, 2006, 01:51:46 PM »
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exellent post. Exactly what we all have been saying but that ND and Co. cannot admit.

Admitting reality would essentially end the thread. "Camp Yates'" delusions are much more entertaining!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6082 on: July 14, 2006, 01:53:07 PM »
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ND, why are you getting so touchy.  Isn't this a public board.  If not, by all means you have the right to ban people.  However, last I heard, you are not a mod.

You mean screaming like a maniac and using flawed logic over and over again? What's reality got to do with ND? 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6083 on: July 14, 2006, 01:58:20 PM »
Agreed  ;).  I think he has completely lost it.  Poor guy.  :'( :'(

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6084 on: July 14, 2006, 01:59:47 PM »
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In 2004, all of these severe liabilities were compounded by Ronnie being retaining a thick film of water under his skin.


unreal definition. no film here

check out the quad/hams etc. no film here

shredded tris..no film here.

no film here.

no film on the quads..


check the quads - no film here..


even his upper back is detailed.



none here either..
where is this "thick film of water" under his skin?

He was more striated in 2003 that dorian was in 1993 for god's sake? Show me this "film of water".

I await your pics and videos showing this aquatic layer.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6085 on: July 14, 2006, 02:01:45 PM »
Admitting reality would essentially end the thread. "Camp Yates'" delusions are much more entertaining!

very true.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6086 on: July 14, 2006, 02:01:56 PM »
Once again all you fall on is someone elses statement to provide your baseless argument.

Do youhonestly agree with that. That having a torn arm doesnt at all detract from your physique or affect your symmetry?

Come ND stop the nonsense.

If dorian is so much more than back and calves then please enlighten us, but don't bother listing stuff thats already been proved incorrect and false earlier in this thread.

That includes triceps, forearms, abs, delts, chest, quads which were all mediocre by top pro level with countless superior examples existing at the time.

Did I ever claim it didn't detract from his physique? no . I said it didn't matter to the judges and it did detract from his phsyique in the front double bicep shot and thats about it .

Dorian is more than just calves & a back , his forerarms are in fact among the best , his triceps were fantastic , his whole midsection for a guy his weight was great , his chest was pretty damn good , people give him garbage about his chest and its not warranted his chest doesn't get flat and disappear like Ronnies in the front double biceps shot and his sidechest shot is great , the rest of his parts while NOT spectacular were good enough and the accumulation of all of his parts made for one great whole

This is what a lot of people fail to comprehend , while he didn't have the greatest quads his ab-thigh was great , while he didn't have the best taper his front & rear latspreads were great , he didn't have the best arms yet his sidetriceps shot was amazing , while some guys had better chests his sidechest shot was great , couple him owning most of the mandatory poses with his combo of size & density and extreme dryness and his great ability to properly present his phsyique to its finest and there you have the reasons he was unstopable

Dorian always had an edge on his competition , Flex Wheeler was hit or miss in 93 he was sharp but the victim of to many contests and his conditioning couldn't match Dorians , Paul Dillett guy was and is probably the most purely genetically gifted bodybuilder ever but with the exception of his major weakness and Dorian's major strenght his back , couple that with Pauls less than perfect posing and lack of Yates-type dryness and thats why he always lost, Levrone was hit or miss another guy who had the ability to be Mr Olympia yet never managed to pull it together , in the begining of his career his back wasn't as great and he improved it but not to the level of Dorian same with his conditioning , when Kevin got big he lost his sharpness , when he was smaller he lost his fullness and this hurt him. Shawn Ray was never going to beat Dorian , he could perhaps match Dorian on conditioning but he was at some times over 50lbs lighter and Shawn looked it at times , structually he's narrow and it was obvious when he did the latspreads and ab-thigh , while and excellent overall bodybuilder it was at this time a big mans game , Haney was 250lbs , Yates as big as 270lbs , Ronnie as big as 296lbs , the last Mr Olympia weighing close to what Shawn did was Samir Bannout in 1983. being 5'7" hurt him next to guys 5'11" and over . Nasser could match Yates from the front but couldn't from the side or back . Lee Labrada awesome bodybuilder like Shawn Ray.

So in the end Dorian managed to edge out all of his competitors in one or more total aspects , remember there is more to bodybuilding than having the biggest & best muscles , Dorian just met more of the judging criteria than his contemporaries and thats why he was a pure winner .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6087 on: July 14, 2006, 02:11:00 PM »
Entirely agree-more evidence of the commercial interests of BB to allow this. Reminds me of the late 70s/early 80s, when most of the top BBs left because of the same injustices that are now ignored by most. Given enough time, absurd contest results become acceptable, especially to the unquestioning masses like ND and SUCKY.

You keep making this claim and have yet to back it up with any proof and your logic defies any sort of rational thinking , please show me how Yates ties into your theory of him being viable for ' commercial intrests ' how you believe Dorian Yates is commercialy marketable is beyond me , he isn't the best looking of men , his phsyique wasn't attatinable to the masses , he was a quiet Englishmen who didn't compete that offten ,his lifting style wasn't popular . you have no basis to claim he was picked as a champion for commerical intrests with all of the evidence I just layed out , no basis what so ever .


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6088 on: July 14, 2006, 02:19:47 PM »
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You keep making this claim and have yet to back it up with any proof and your logic defies any sort of rational thinking

Are Zoloft & Paxil your friends? You appear to be on medication, given that I went into this in exhaustive detail much earlier. I'm not going through it again, just because of your uh, "cognitive difficulties".

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6089 on: July 14, 2006, 02:23:37 PM »
ND, why are you getting so touchy.  Isn't this a public board.  If not, by all means you have the right to ban people.  However, last I heard, you are not a mod.  Even if you were, that was one of the most assholish things you have said on this whole board (referring to our good friend from Dubai...jk).  ::) ::) ::)  If the dude agreed with you, would you be such a complete ass.  You need to step away from the computer and stop sinking to the caliber of your soulmate Suckymymonkey.  You are getting to be as much of a jerk as that moron.  Make your point and move on.  Debate reasonably and logically.  Hell, show some emotion, but don't be a friggin 10 year old bitch and cry when someone disagrees with you.  ::) ::) ::) Dude, you need a break from this thread as you are becoming paranoid.  People have both supported and been against you.  Nobody has asked you to leave the conversation.

One i find it honestly laughable you're claiming anyone is ' touchy ' lol you my friend have balls the size of church bells calling anyone touchy , you get so emotional on these boards and take it way to seriously ( seriously lol ) you go on this tangent about how he's British and your American lol get the hook

pumpster really isn't in the conversation , in all honesty I tried to ingauge him with an open mind and when I posted a quote where Lee Priest says Dorian would beat Ronnie with ease and he claims Lee is racist he should have been banned just for that , he makes claims and has no proof when you call him on it he runs like a little girl , now OBVIOUSLY I don't mind debtating anyone about their opinion , hence the 247 pages , but when the debating includes making wild accusations and offering nothing in response but pics with " HA HA HA HA " attached it shows he's not worthy to be ON MY thread   ;) and his dumb ass should have been banned not for being stupid , hell I have fun with that but for claiming Lee is a racist because he was born in Australia and he thinks Dorian would beat Ronnie with ease.

Anyway you're a typical Coleman-fan hypocrtical to the last letter you're extremly touchy yet claim I am  ::) even if that was the case why would it be okay for you and not me?  ;) I know why for the same reasons its okay for Ronnie to win when he looks like garbage ( 01/02 ) and not Okay for Dorian ( 94 )  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6090 on: July 14, 2006, 02:25:08 PM »
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pumpster really isn't in the conversation , in all honesty I tried to ingauge him

Good, I don't want to be part of the conversation going on in your head between the different voices and multiple personalities.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6091 on: July 14, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »
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I know why for the same reasons its okay for Ronnie to win when he looks like garbage ( 01/02 ) and not Okay for Dorian ( 94 )

2001 and 2002 were nothing compared to 1994.

Why?

Ronnie beat Kevin (past his prime) and Jay.

Dorian faced a career best shawn ray, who looked like this:


pretty big difference.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6092 on: July 14, 2006, 02:32:02 PM »
Shawn Ray had a near flawless and aestheic physique back in the day, but put him next to Dorian and NAsser and you didn't even notice the guy. Even with K-Lo and Flex up there, the eye wasn't immediately drawn to him . . .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6093 on: July 14, 2006, 02:35:39 PM »
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Shawn Ray had a near flawless and aestheic physique back in the day, but put him next to Dorian and NAsser and you didn't even notice the guy. Even with K-Lo and Flex up there, the eye wasn't immediately drawn to him . . .

Agreed, he had even less "wow" factor than Yates, a little like Cormier. The guys who more obviously dominated Yates were Momo in general and Dillet/Wheeler/Levrone in various shots.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6094 on: July 14, 2006, 04:41:27 PM »
Coleman was never as wide as Yates when they were both at similar weights, period. Let me see if I can find the picture, but it's from the 04 olympia and Cutler is easily wider than Coleman, although Coleman destroys cutler in the rear lat.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6095 on: July 14, 2006, 04:45:40 PM »
Are Zoloft & Paxil your friends? You appear to be on medication, given that I went into this in exhaustive detail much earlier. I'm not going through it again, just because of your uh, "cognitive difficulties".


No you didn't you're a liar , Natural AL called you on it and you ran away like you are now , prove to me how the Weiders handpicked Dorian Yates for commercial intrests oh thats right you can't and why acccording to you would they pick him for commerical intrests and YOU , YOURSELF said he rarely competes and runs back to England after every Olympia . now you're painting yourself into a coner with no place to go . Why would they pic a homely Englishmen for ' commerical intrests ' when they had Shawn Ray or Lee Labrada , both seem more articulate than Yates and are certainly more good looking both have far more commercial appeal than Dorian ever could , the more you pick this theory apart the more its shows it for what it is. nonsense .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6096 on: July 14, 2006, 04:52:15 PM »
2001 and 2002 were nothing compared to 1994.

Why?

Ronnie beat Kevin (past his prime) and Jay.

Dorian faced a career best shawn ray, who looked like this:


pretty big difference.



Well maybe if the whole Mr Olympia was deterimed by one single pose maybe Shawn would have have had a better chance of beating Dorian , in 1994 the contest was very close for second & third  ;) Shawn just barely by the skin of his pearly whites beat Levrone by one single point , he didn't beat Kevin by virtues of his phsyique it was because of his posing ability , so to say he was in the running for or should have won the 1994 Mr Olympia is fantasy. period .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6097 on: July 14, 2006, 04:54:37 PM »
Dorian's skin looked real red and unhealthy in '94

also, when K-Lo was announded 3rd he couldn't believe it - looked so surprised and taken aback

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6098 on: July 14, 2006, 04:55:20 PM »
Good, I don't want to be part of the conversation going on in your head between the different voices and multiple personalities.

No no its not good you don't want to be part pf the conversation its YOU CANNOT be part pf the conversation , you have nothing to work with , you've added nothing of value and when you're called on your wild baseless accusations you run from the conversation and hide behind bad pics of Dorian .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #6099 on: July 14, 2006, 04:57:54 PM »
Dorian's skin looked real red and unhealthy in '94

also, when K-Lo was announded 3rd he couldn't believe it - looked so surprised and taken aback

The mentioned in all of the magazines thats his tan sucked , I guess he fixed by the night show .