Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

things change when Flex flexes:


 

Awesome back but again not better than this .

[pobrecito]

Now, let's look at Ronnie in 2002.



Please tell me how Ronnie wins this pose? Ronnie has NO thigh separation, a water logged/undetailed/bloated midsection, SMALL biceps (check the size of the bicep itself compared to Cormier), a flat chest, and no calves (hell, even Levrone is destroying him on calves)

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes he said that. But do you know WHY he said that?

because Samir, like everyone else was blown away by a 257 pound Mr. Olympia.

They, like the judges were blown away the size dorian had.

They overlooked everything else in favor of this size.

Monster denile .

[nzmusclemonster]

Hulkster.... do you have this pics from the muscle and fitness where they were doing the '93 olympia coverage and in that issue they have flex being taken through posing practice with joe weider?

The photos were black and white and flex looked unbelievable....

[NarcissisticDeity]

Now, let's look at Ronnie in 2002.



Please tell me how Ronnie wins this pose? Ronnie has NO thigh separation, a water logged/undetailed/bloated midsection, SMALL biceps (check the size of the bicep itself compared to Cormier), a flat chest, and no calves (hell, even Levrone is destroying him on calves)

Hulkster " he's not even flexing yet " lol

[pobrecito]

Hulkster " he's not even flexing yet " lol

The thing though ND, Ronnie still legitimately won in 2002 becuase he destroyed everyone from the back (much like Dorian) and he faced weak competition

[Hulkster]

Now, let's look at Ronnie in 2002.



Please tell me how Ronnie wins this pose? Ronnie has NO thigh separation, a water logged/undetailed/bloated midsection, SMALL biceps (check the size of the bicep itself compared to Cormier), a flat chest, and no calves (hell, even Levrone is destroying him on calves)

he doesn't win that pose. its that simple.

[FREAKgeek]

no, it looks just as good. Undetailed water buffalo my ass.
Both Ray and Flex are on.

[NarcissisticDeity]

The thing though ND, Ronnie still legitimately won in 2002 becuase he destroyed everyone from the back (much like Dorian) and he faced weak competition

Oh I'm not questioning if he won of not just some people like to claim while off he was still dominating which according to the scorecards he wasn't

2001 was very very suspect Jay won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds and loses the whole competition to Ronnie in the posing round , thats UNHEARD of , either way he was very lucky both times.

[pobrecito]

Oh I'm not questioning if he won of not just some people like to claim while off he was still dominating which according to the scorecards he wasn't

2001 was very very suspect Jay won both the muscularity & symmetry rounds and loses the whole competition to Ronnie in the posing round , thats UNHEARD of , either way he was very lucky both times.

He was just as lucky as Yates was in 1994. The thing about 1994 is Yates main competitor was 50lbs smaller, in 2001, Jay and Ronnie were only separated by 10lbs. Size is everything.

[pobrecito]

Oh, and for the record, my all-time favorite form for Coleman was prior to the olympia in 1996. He was @ 250lbs (his ideal weight) but he had NO GUT and a SMALL WAIST....in my opinion he was perfection in the BFTO 96 tape.

[NarcissisticDeity]

He was just as lucky as Yates was in 1994. The thing about 1994 is Yates main competitor was 50lbs smaller, in 2001, Jay and Ronnie were only separated by 10lbs. Size is everything.

In my opinion Shawn Ray was never a legitimate challenger to Dorian Yates , I felt the same way when Ray would make declarations of beating Lee Haney , he was one to short and to light , it was a big mans game from 1984 on.

And I would be more than willing to concede that Ray deserved to win if it was close but it wasn't , it was very close with 2nd and 3rd but not 1st and 2nd .

[pobrecito]

In my opinion Shawn Ray was never a legitimate challenger to Dorian Yates , I felt the same way when Ray would make declarations of beating Lee Haney , he was one to short and to light , it was a big mans game from 1984 on.

And I would be more than willing to concede that Ray deserved to win if it was close but it wasn't , it was very close with 2nd and 3rd but not 1st and 2nd .

Shawn Ray was NEVER a challenger not just becuase of his lack of size, but his back was nothing special. If you check out the 96 BFTO tape Shawn looks jaw-dropping from the front, but when he turns around the steam just let's out. In my opinion, if ANYONE got fucked in 96-97 it was Ronnie. The man was overlooked but never bitched one time like Shawn Ray did.

[pumpster]

I believe just the opposite Ronnie's parts don't blend together as well as Dorian's , especially his biceps/triceps/forearms , in fact I've posted picture to prove this .

Coleman with arguably the best arms in the history of BB and he doesn't approve. ND obviously a weirdo who won't admit to rather bizarre BB fetishes.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Oh, and for the record, my all-time favorite form for Coleman was prior to the olympia in 1996. He was @ 250lbs (his ideal weight) but he had NO GUT and a SMALL WAIST....in my opinion he was perfection in the BFTO 96 tape.

I've said Coleman at the 1996 NOC was fantastic but others insist he was NO WHERE NEAR his peak , he was full his waist showed NO distention what so ever , he was shredded and awesome .

[natural al]

I can't agree witht he above post.  Shawns back was a little weak in the early 90's but he brought it up big time...do you have a pic of his back looking weak from 96?  I'm not calling you a liar, I just don't remember it being that way....maybe he was a little narrow but he had great muscularity and detail...top to bottom his rear double bi was right up there.

[pobrecito]

I wish I knew how to take screenshots, so I could get some pictures of the 96' BFTO Ronnie up. The problem with Ronnie in 96 and 97 is he didnt know how to come perfectly dialed into shows. In 1998 when he got Chad that was all fixed.

[pumpster]

Just becuase Dorian has better forearms and triceps DOESN'T mean his arms are better, just look at the pictures, even an idiot could see Ronnie's arms are far superior.

Good points overall but in this case, no. A judge is going to make it a draw IMO when it comes to triceps because each has strengths the other doesn't.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray was NEVER a challenger not just becuase of his lack of size, but his back was nothing special. If you check out the 96 BFTO tape Shawn looks jaw-dropping from the front, but when he turns around the steam just let's out. In my opinion, if ANYONE got fucked in 96-97 it was Ronnie. The man was overlooked but never bitched one time like Shawn Ray did.

I think Ronnie in both years was just a victim of to many contests he was peaking to many times in the year and the contest that mattered the most he came in soft , but 96 he was sharp as hell at times , same with 97 .

[pobrecito]

Good points overall but in this case, no. A judge is going to make it a draw IMO when it comes to triceps because each has strengths the other doesn't.

True. Dorian's side head is far superior (again, becuase of SHAPE, something Ronnie overall is far superior in). But, just check the tricep and bicep separation in Coleman's arm, unlike any other in history.

[Hulkster]

And I would be more than willing to concede that Ray deserved to win if it was close but it wasn't ,

why do you care what the paper says? use your eyes

so, you are saying that you would only conceed that Ray would deserve to win if the judges said it was close?

As you can all see, as I said earlier, ND is totally incapable of using his own eyes to form an opinion.

He can only use other people's opinions.

I don't care what the judges say, they are blinded by size.

i am not.

[pobrecito]

I can't agree witht he above post.  Shawns back was a little weak in the early 90's but he brought it up big time...do you have a pic of his back looking weak from 96?  I'm not calling you a liar, I just don't remember it being that way....maybe he was a little narrow but he had great muscularity and detail...top to bottom his rear double bi was right up there.

In the back double biceps, Ray's lower back was not even in the same league compared to Dorian condition wise. Dorian displays a striking x-mas tree in the back double bi.

[pumpster]

Hulkster's camp. You all talk about lack of detail, and no taper with Yates. In 1993 at his all-time best, Yates handily outmuscled, out-detailed, and was better conditioned than both  Shawn Ray and Flex Wheeler. This cannot be denied. Credit must be given where credit is due.

I've always given credit to Yates for density, hardness, dryness and in some areas of his body that do not include parts of his arms & delts, detail. It is exactly those attributes that are some of Coleman's weakest areas relative to Yates. However, Coleman's well ahead of Yates on virtually any other criterions.

That has nothing to do with taper. The points on taper stand-he never had Coleman's lat width, always had a wider waist and thus a smaller taper. That is completely separate from his conditioning and thin skin which I've never denied.

[pobrecito]

Now, another HUGE difference in my opinion between Yates and Coleman is what they did later in their careers. In 1996 Yates is quoted as saying "it would be a mistake to try and add 15lbs here at this stage of my career. 2 or 3 lbs of quality muscle will make a dramatic difference."

Coleman was at this point in 2000, people were asking how could he possibly pack more mass on. Coleman however just pushed through and went to 287lbs in 2003. Dorian would not have made that leap and set yet another standard

[NarcissisticDeity]

why do you care what the paper says? use your eyes

so, you are saying that you would only conceed that Ray would deserve to win if the judges said it was close?

As you can all see, as I said earlier, ND is totally incapable of using his own eyes to form an opinion.

He can only use other people's opinions.

I don't care what the judges say, they are blinded by size.

i am not.

Using my own eyes , Ray looked better than Dorian in some shots but most shots he did NOT and he was to light , the only lighter bodybuilder who could beat Dorian is Flex Wheeler and that was due to suprior shape & aesthetic coupled with his cartoon muscle size and harmony .