Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

 


 
Ronnie's back was so good it could melt a cheese sandwich from across the room.

even back on page 28 it was still flat

[NarcissisticDeity]

no way has Yates ever looked this good from the front..

Nice back peddle after you owned yourself lol by posting a pic of Ronnie and claiming he's better to Yates when he lost to Yates a few weeks after that pic was taken .

Yates looks great from the front in the ab-thigh and front latspread two shots Ronnie can't match .

[NarcissisticDeity]

even back on page 28 it was still flat

I'm calling it lol  meltdown

[NarcissisticDeity]

even lil' Shawn has upper back muscles that pop more than dorian's do

I did see the word ' pop ' in the criteria lol right along side ' x-frame ' and ' lumpiness '

[Hulkster]

ronnie has quads like Mary Poppins'- "Practically Perfect In Every Way"

[Hulkster]

I did see the word ' pop ' in the criteria lol right along side ' x-frame ' and ' lumpiness '

thats only because you don't understand that there are elements of muscularity that are not explicitly mentioned in your "dictionary of judging" but are and have always been judged...

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie has quads like Mary Poppins'- "Practically Perfect In Every Way"

Too bad his legs lack balance , great quads only draw attention to poor calves lol great biceps and big triceps draw attention to forarms that don't match , you get the point , then again you don't lol

[nicorulez]

Come on ND... ..that pic of Dorian is from 1993 pre-Olympia.  For one thing, Ronnie is definitely wider.  That is not debatable.  Only you debate this.  Second, Dorian's arms in the later years were sad...triceps be damned...he lacked 1/3 of the arm.  That is not forgiveable.  Calves...please, Ronnie's may not have a diamond shape which is genetic, however his size is equal to Dorian's.  Take a tape measure and I bet they are close to 20 inches.  They are certainly not as unforgiveable as Dorian's arms.  Third, Ronnie is thicker.  That is clearly evident especially in 2003.  Bitch about the gut as much as you do, but by 1998 if Dorian would have had the balls to compete, he would have had his ass handed to him (if the judging were fair  ....once again debatable).  Ronnie may have weighed the same but his joints are smaller and his waist is probably tinier as he lacks those bulbous obliques (which you have never bitched about...wonder why).  Dorian looked like crap in 1997; in 1998 he would have looked like a bigger piece of shit.  His shape got progressively worse as the years went on.  For you to even question Ronnie's superiority in arms is laughable.  That is why you do not even matter in this debate anymore.  Your views are so skewed that your pronouncements are idiotic.  Dorian sucked after 1995.  He was lucky Haney did not come back and kick his ass.  If you can honestly say he got better and deserved straight ones you are delusional.  Jay Cutler would have handed him his ass in 1996/1997.  Ronnie of today would have crushed him except for 1993 Dorian.  That year he was very impressive and it is a battle I wish could be fought.  However, to even compare Dorian 1998 (you chimed that he would be eight pounds heavier) to 1998 Ronnie is laughable.  Dorian had eight extra pounds in his gut and obliques.  Balance, you think Dorian was balanced.  That is a laugh.  His arms did not balance his torso.  His chest was very average compared to his back.  In no way in hell is he thicker than Ronnie; that is utter BS.  You are even full of shit when you state his lower back is better.  Ronnie has a sliced lower back and has ripped glutes and hams to boot.  Ronnie's legs are much more impressive from the back.  That is a much larger muscle group than calves and it is evident in every back double bicep.  Why don't you just stop with your nonsense.  You out and out lie and preach your opinions as fact.  At least Hulkster shows pics that are obvious, but you keep on posting "guidelines" as if they verify your arguments. 

[alexxx]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

thats only because you don't understand that there are elements of muscularity that are not explicitly mentioned in your "dictionary of judging" but are and have always been judged...

Oh in your fantasy world of judging ' muscle pop ' ranks right up there huh? you don't know a single thing about judging the professional bodybuilders phsyique , especially when you say all Dorian is is calves & back , that statement shines the spotlight of ignorance that you can't escape .

[Hulkster]

when I said Shawn's upper back muscles "pop" more than dorian, I was referring to how they make Dorian's upper back muscles look flat, which they do.

Sure, dorian was twice as wide.

but he was wider and flatter

[NeoSeminole]

Front Double Biceps



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Front Lat Spread



Tie

Side Triceps



Dorian >>> Ronnie

Side Chest



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Rear Double Biceps



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Rear Lat Spread



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Abs and Thighs



Dorian >>> Ronnie

Most Muscular



Ronnie >>> Dorian

Dorian: 3
Ronnie: 6

[Hulkster]

For the record, since ND seems incapable of reading, I never said Dorian's back was flat.

I said it was flat in comparison to Ronnie's

there is a crucial distinction.

[nicorulez]

What ND fails to realize is that the only two bodyparts that Dorian really has over Ronnie are calves and maybe (big maybe...look at Hulkster's last pic and tell me his forearms are weak) forearms.  However, his legs are about five inches larger and more shredded.  His hams are larger, shaplier and more shredded.  Glutes...please, only Rene Javier ever was close conditioning wise.  Chest is no contest; Ronnie has the perfect turtle shape with striations and vascularity.  His shoulders are bigger adn you can appreciate striations; this is not evident on the Brit.  His arms; yes ND, Yates arms are better...LOLOLOLOLOL.  Ok, in all seriousness, Ronnie's arms overwhelm Yates.  Even the non-contest B&W shots of Yates show inferior arms to Ronnie at 250...not to even mention 290.  Back, close but no victory cigar for Dorian.  I will call it a wash, although Ronnie has him from the back in shoulders, arms, and legs.  Calves...boy ND, that is going to get Dorian the nod.    Face it, if they came in at their respective bests, Ronnie would win in an unbiased legite show.  He is bigger and better.  Even when he is off a little, he would win.  Dorian was nicknamed "The Shadow" based on his 1992/1993 conditioning; his 1994/1997 condition should have been the "The Hippo."

[suckmymuscle]

Why dont we look at a pic where ronnie is actually flexing for once sucky?

Ronnie 98, less than 250lbs and blowing dorian out the water in upper back detail

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  No problem! Here is the comparison of the back double biceps, where both of them are flexing and Dorian spreads Ronnie's anus apart like there's no tomorrow! Oh, and just so as to leave no doubt that Dorian's back double biceps is better overrall, I posted below two shots of Ronnie at 296 lbs. And despite being forty pounds heavier than Dorian on the upper pic, Ronnie still has less middle back thickness and only comparable width to Dorian. And when it comes to details, obviously, Dorian destroys Ronnie at his 296 lbs version, even though they're even on the upper shot. Finally, I posted a rear lat spread shot, of Diesel, that's better than any Ronnie could ever deliver. Man, I've just claimed property rights over your anus!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

author=pumpster link=topic=69359.msg1205683#msg1205683 date=1153SUCKY STILL NOT GETTING IT...THIS WILL BE MY FIRST & LAST ANATOMY LESSON FOR THE DUMBASS...

-Shape is subjective, no one but you and maybe ND thinks Yates has any shape advantage, nor does anyone think Coleman has poor shape in having arguably the best arms in BB history.

  Shape is not subjective. The shape of your triceps diretly affects the way it develops and, thus, the symmetry of your triceps and the overrall balance of your arms. Dorian's symmetrical evelopment in the triceps is superior to Ronnie's, and his triceps do not overpower nor are overpowered by any other arm muscle.

-"Longer" triceps? NO ONE but you even knows what this means, and it's definitely not essential whatever it is, except to you and your imagination!

  Wrong, you moron! "Longer" means exactly that: the muscle attaches lower on the tendon. Do you even know what a tendon is? Good. Dorian's three triceps muscle bellies are longer than Coleman's; that's a fact not open for debate. Get over it!

-Yates' forte is his medial and lateral tri heads, which is why all he's got is that one side-shot - still waiting 100 pages later for any shot of Yates hitting an overhead shot showing any size! WTF is it? It doesn't exist because his long triceps head doesn't have much size-he is deficient in the part of the triceps responsible for the bulk of triceps size, which you didn't know. This is most evident in overhead shots that you've never been able to come up with!

  Again, wrong. Dozer's three triceps heads were perfectly symmetrically developed. On the back double biceps and the side triceps shots, the two where the triceps comes most into play, Dorian destroys Ronnie in balance, striations and symmetry. And when they're both around 250+ lbs, Ronnie does not have larger triceps than Dorian, with the minus that his biceps overpowers them. At 280+ lbs, yeah, Ronnie has larger triceps mass than Dorian. So? When it coes to the side triceps shot at 280+ lbs, Ronnie's balance - due to his didtended midsetion - and details are so horrendous as to not being even worthy of mention. Game over.

-Here's Yates' overhead shot, showing medicore long head size. Compare that with Coleman's overhead..

  Overhead shots are not relevant.

-Coleman OVERWHELMS him on triceps size because the long head is much larger than Yates, who doesn't have much size there. Repeat: you don't get to 23" arms cold with just biceps-have you figured that out yet?

  Again, irrelevant. Ronnie only has larger triceps, than Dorian, when he's over 280 bs. In this case, his greater triceps mass do not work in his favor, because he loses a lot of his striations and develops serious balance issues. And his trieps are still ovepowered by his biceps. When they're both at 250+ lbs, Dorian's triceps are superior to Ronnie's in everything, including mass.

  The below shot cleary shows the best side trieps shot of any Mr.Olympia ever! Not even in his dreams could Ronnie pull this off...

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[suckmymuscle]

What ND fails to realize is that the only two bodyparts that Dorian really has over Ronnie are calves and maybe (big maybe...look at Hulkster's last pic and tell me his forearms are weak) forearms.  However, his legs are about five inches larger and more shredded.  His hams are larger, shaplier and more shredded.  Glutes...please, only Rene Javier ever was close conditioning wise.  Chest is no contest; Ronnie has the perfect turtle shape with striations and vascularity.  His shoulders are bigger adn you can appreciate striations; this is not evident on the Brit.  His arms; yes ND, Yates arms are better...LOLOLOLOLOL.  Ok, in all seriousness, Ronnie's arms overwhelm Yates.  Even the non-contest B&W shots of Yates show inferior arms to Ronnie at 250...not to even mention 290.  Back, close but no victory cigar for Dorian.  I will call it a wash, although Ronnie has him from the back in shoulders, arms, and legs.  Calves...boy ND, that is going to get Dorian the nod.    Face it, if they came in at their respective bests, Ronnie would win in an unbiased legite show.  He is bigger and better.  Even when he is off a little, he would win.  Dorian was nicknamed "The Shadow" based on his 1992/1993 conditioning; his 1994/1997 condition should have been the "The Hippo."

  Actually, no. Everything you wrote is wrong. This should never have won the Mr.Olympia. The upper shot shows his distended midsetion at 290+ lbs(2004 Olympia), and the other shows his softness and lack of muscularity at 240+ lbs(2001 Olympia). Across bodyweight ranges, Ronnie sucks dick big time. He had two good years, 1998 and 1999, but that was it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Oh give me a break Suckmydick, I suppose you think this should have won the Mr. Olympia?











Here is Ronnie at 300+ lbs with a smaller midsection than Dorian 40 lbs less.

[pumpster]

Shape is not subjective. The shape of your triceps diretly affects the way it develops and, thus, the symmetry of your triceps and the overrall balance of your arms. Dorian's symmetrical evelopment in the triceps is superior to Ronnie's, and his triceps do not overpower nor are overpowered by any other arm muscle.

Congrats on missing it again-of course shape is not subjective-but which shape is better or worse is! You've blown it once again!

Dozer's three triceps heads were perfectly symmetrically developed. On the back double biceps and the side triceps shots, the two where the triceps comes most into play, Dorian destroys Ronnie in balance, striations and symmetry. And when they're both around 250+ lbs, Ronnie does not have larger triceps than Dorian, with the minus that his biceps overpowers them. At 280+ lbs, yeah, Ronnie has larger triceps mass than Dorian. So?

Overhead shots are not relevant.

Oh, they're not huh? He gives not explanation, just like ND, just makes blanket, foolish, uninformed statements! If you really understood anatomy at all, you'd finally get that if he had any size, you'd be able to produce an overhead shot showing it-you haven't.

Here's one of those overhead shots he mysteriously never comes up with-hard to believe but the putrid biceps actually overwhelm the under-sized long head of the triceps! That area is too small in relation to the medial and lateral heads-if it was in balance, he'd have much better arms than he did. As it is, that is one ugly-ass upper arm!

[pumpster]

Now I will wrap this anatomy lesson with a pic of Coleman in a similar pose-and in this case his bodyweight's about the same, so your silly theory that bodyweight is the only reason the tris are bigger is crushed!

Pay attention SUCKY. Pay attention in particular to the difference between the elbow and the lowest point of the triceps sweep = huge tris. Yates doesn't have this at all - compare the pics in your childlike fashion until even you comprehend.

As far as shape...the general concensus is that Yates has some of the ugliest arms in BB history, while Coleman's in the running for some of the best arms in BB history.

[phyxsius]

Dorian may not deserved to win 2 Olympia shows he competed


but Ronnie only deserved to win only 2 Olympia shows he competed.

[pumpster]

I respect Dorian's achievements as a bodybuilder, but the man always looked 25 years older than he was.

Part of what made him both over-rated and underserving of so many victories while better BBs like Wheeler got none-what's wrong with this picture?

Partially it's the leathery, ruddy Brit skin, partially it's the unfriendly grimaces that accompanied almost every shot:

[avesher]

I have not responded in this thread yet, but anyone who thinks that Dorian couldbeat Ronnie is on drugs.  It's no contest, Ronnie destroys him.  Lets be real here.

[NarcissisticDeity]

For the record, since ND seems incapable of reading, I never said Dorian's back was flat.

I said it was flat in comparison to Ronnie's

there is a crucial distinction.

wrong and nice backpeddle you also claimed his back looked flat compared to Shawn Ray lol desperation makes you go to some great lenghts .

[brianX]

STOP IT