Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

Still NO PROOF OF ANY CLAIMS about Yates from the windbag. I've provided plenty of proof including videos that he hasn't answered, reminders of getbig poll results that he ignores (Coleman >>> Yates) and the most accurate pictoral comparisons on the thread-evidence is of course ignored.

Accurate pictorla comarisions? lol okay its accurate according to you that Dorian's waist is smaller than Ronnie? you're saying thats accurate? and please provide the proof for the following it seems you've left these out

please provide proof for your claim that Ronnie compensates size-wise for his gut at 247lbs compared to Dorian at 270lbs

please provide proof for your claim that the Weiders handpicked Dorian to be Mr Olympia

shall I continue? lol you get the point .....now run and fetch the proof .

[NeoSeminole]

I don't think I'm wrong and here is why . The two pics you posted are of Dorian from the 1993 Mr Olympia where he weighed 257lbs and Ronnie from the 1998 Mr Olympia where he weighed 249lbs , now I obviously have a problem with your ability to scale and let me explain why. the pic of Ronnie is taken by looking up at him making him appear wider and the picture of Dorian is almost straight on .

To say Ronnie's back at 249lbs is wider than Dorians at 257lbs is just spectulation , if anything his back is comprable in terms of width and maybe slightly less than Yates , we're not talking Ronnie 2003 here . don't mistake Ronnie's better V-taper as having a wider back because a small waist & hips give the ilusion of so until they stood side by side it would be evident who had the wider back.

Now in terms of back thickness at roughly the same weight , I think its pretty obvious Dorian has the thicker back of the two Dorian's hallmark was his muscle density. Dorian's traps are thicker than Ronnie's without question , his lats are thicker as well especially his lowerlats and Dorian's erector spinae is thicker.

I never said Ronnie's back is wider b/c it's impossible to tell unless you measured both of them. I said he was just as wide as Dorian in 93. Now couple this with a smaller waist and hips which gives him a better V taper. As for back thickness, Ronnie completely destroys Dorian. Look at both these pics. Ronnie's traps, rear delts, teres major/minor, lats, and erector spinae all jump out at you.





Ronnie also doesn't have asymmetry problems like Dorian. Dorian's traps don't even line up and his Christmas tree looks like someone trimmed it wrong on the right side.

[pumpster]

Accurate pictorla comarisions? lol okay its accurate according to you that Dorian's waist is smaller than Ronnie? you're saying thats accurate?

Proof's been posted over & over again - now watch ND run and get another side-shot of Coleman in what is now a very predictable and failed attempt. We're discussing Yates' WIDE WAIST and he'll get side-shots!

This is what a wide waist and underwhelming shoulders look like = H-taper.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie's traps, rear delts, teres major/minor, lats, and erector spinae all jump out at you.

yup. thats because Dorian's back looks flat in comparison

[pumpster]

please provide proof for your claim that Ronnie compensates size-wise for his gut at 247lbs compared to Dorian at 270lbs

please provide proof for your claim that the Weiders handpicked Dorian to be Mr Olympia

shall I continue? lol you get the point .....now run and fetch the proof .

Iron Age turd-boy wants to continue the game of picking his ass while providing no proof whatsoever. Still waiting for you to provide ANY proof to back up the delusions.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I never said Ronnie's back is wider b/c it's impossible to tell unless you measured both of them. I said he was just as wide as Dorian in 93. Now couple this with a smaller waist and hips which gives him a better V taper. As for back thickness, Ronnie completely destroys Dorian. Look at both these pics. Ronnie's traps, rear delts, teres major/minor, lats, and erector spinae all jump out at you.


Ronnie also doesn't have asymmetry problems like Dorian. Dorian's traps don't even line up and his Christmas tree looks like someone trimmed it wrong on the right side.

For you do say " he completely destroys Dorian " in back thickness especially in 98 vs 93 you're just wishfull thinking . that implies he was so far ahead of Dorian in terms of back that Dorian wouldn't even compare , which my friend is pure nonsense. Dorian's back is among the best ever seen on a professional bodybuilding stage and so is Ronnie's but Dorian has the edge in density & thickness in is traps , lats & erector spinae , and Ronnie matches up on rhomboids , teres major and infraspinatus , which I might add pop out when needed , like this pic . you can clearly see just how much thicker Dorian's lats are compared to Ronnie , has fine striations in both his lats & erector spinae and Dorian's lats are thick and deeply striated and his eartor spinae is again just thicker .

And the asymmetry you speak of laughable seriously , you think Coleman is 100%symmetrical? you think his calves match each other perfectly or his delts?

[Hulkster]

please provide proof for your claim that Ronnie compensates size-wise for his gut at 247lbs compared to Dorian at 270lbs

he doesn't have to compensate.

His abs were sharp:



and his waist was tiny:

[NarcissisticDeity]

yup. thats because Dorian's back looks flat in comparison

Oh yeah real flat lol 

[NarcissisticDeity]

he doesn't have to compensate.

His abs were sharp:



and his waist was tiny:

What kind of logic is that? lol pumpster claimed that Ronnie could compensate for his gut by having more size despite being 23 pounds lighter , thats an oxymoron.

and his waist was tiny to bad his GUT wasn't .

[pumpster]

pumpster claimed that Ronnie could compensate for his gut by having more size despite being 23 pounds lighter , thats an oxymoron.

Again with the data-nerd point of view; numbers aren't what it's about-anyone who understands BB would not have to be reminded of this over and over again.

Coleman's got wider shoulders and greater lat width to go with a smaller waist from the front = better taper-a gut doesn't hurt his taper from the front the way it does Yates who barely has one.

[Hulkster]

dorian has a SLIGHT advantage in the lower back. wow.

that doesn't really make up for the disdvantage he faces in taper, striations, shape, vascularity, pecs, delts, biceps, triceps, quads, hams, glutes, upper back and symmetry.

all of that is quite apparent here:




 

[Hulkster]

a gut doesn't hurt his taper the way it does Yates.

very very true:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Here your video proof that his back is anything but flat .

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[pumpster]

dorian has a SLIGHT advantage in the lower back.

Yates advantages:

-Lower back
-Inner thighs
-calves
-Density


Coleman advantages:
Everything else!

[pumpster]

Here your video proof that his back is anything but flat .

One of Yates' biggest problems is the lack of muscle volume relative to the thick bone structure = relatively small tapers AKA flatness in all areas - the muscles do not "explode" in any way that is typical of a great BB! That is a large part of what makes him so ordinary and boring!

[NarcissisticDeity]

Again with the data-nerd point of view; numbers aren't what it's about-anyone who understands BB would not have to be reminded of this over and over again.

Coleman's got wider shoulders and greater lat width to go with a smaller waist from the front = better taper-a gut doesn't hurt his taper from the front the way it does Yates who barely has one.

No you're tip toeing around the claim how can Ronnie a 247lb Dorian compensate for his gut by being bigger than Dorian at 270lbs ? this has absolutely NOTHING to do with with taper is has to do with a size advantage you claimed  

Oh I know how be can compensate the same way he dominates his competition when he's off by winning by just 3 points lol thats total domination.

you're to simple , I almost feel bad for taken advantage of you....................a lmost .

[pumpster]

No you're tip toeing around the claim how can Ronnie a 247lb Dorian compensate for his gut by being bigger than Dorian at 270lbs ?

Incessant numbers fascination..not what an informed observer would waste any time on.

[NarcissisticDeity]

dorian has a SLIGHT advantage in the lower back. wow.

that doesn't really make up for the disdvantage he faces in taper, striations, shape, vascularity, pecs, delts, biceps, triceps, quads, hams, glutes, upper back and symmetry.

all of that is quite apparent here:

 

Master of the understatement for Dorian's advantaged and master of the overstatement for Ronnie's pure bias but thats nothing you didn't already know , hell look at the fair & objective picture compasrion you did on this thread lol

Anyway Dorian's lats & erector spinae have more than just a slight advantage over Ronnie , the same can be said for his traps as well .

When will you comprehend that even if Ronnie did have all the suposed advantages all his parts do not equal the superior whole , this is clearly evident in the mandatory poses , again we'll give Ronnie the front & rear biceps and Dorian would simply beat him in every other shot , hell Ronnie would win the symmetry round & Dorian the muscularity round and Dorian would win the posing rounds , either way Dorian would beat Ronnie in the end .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Incessant numbers fascination..not what an informed observer would waste any time on.

Well if you're making statements like that it clearly shows you're very much uninformed

and you can't escape that claim , its an oxymoron .  one cannot be bigger by being 23lbs lighter , admit you're wrong and save face .

[nicorulez]

ND...you are absolutely delusional.  Dorian would win everywhere else?  What type of crap is that.  Ronnie would win from the front and back.  His back double bi is superior.  You need a back (his is thicker and more vascular moron), arms (Dorian...no), legs from behind (Ronnie>>>>Dorian; not even close.  Dorian has better calves.  Thus, Ronnie would win the front double bi, the most muscular, side chest, back double bi and rear lat spread.  The side triceps is Dorians, but only because Ronnie does not pose that shot well at all.  I would give you abs/thighs.  Front lat spread; Ronnie has better arms, chest, shoulders and thighs.  Don't know about you but he looks better.  Dorian would lose.  Only you and a few ironagers fail to see that your boy has been surpassed.  Move on ND; you have lost this debate. 

[nicorulez]

ND, if what you say about weight is true, then Ronnie at 286 shredded pounds absolutely rapes any version of Yates.  Yates at 270 in 1997 looked like pure garbage.  Only you think he looked good (ehhhrrr, forgot about Sucky).      Ronnie at 286 would pulverize Yates with size and shape.  You are clueless my friend, and your arguments are specious.  Ronnie is better. Sorry to burst your bubble.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, if what you say about weight is true, then Ronnie at 286 shredded pounds absolutely rapes any version of Yates.  Yates at 270 in 1997 looked like pure garbage.  Only you think he looked good (ehhhrrr, forgot about Sucky).      Ronnie at 286 would pulverize Yates with size and shape.  You are clueless my friend, and your arguments are specious.  Ronnie is better. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Please go back in every single one of these 270 pages and find where I said Dorian ' looked good ' I think he should have lost that one , you tend to comment on things that no one is discussing , when I am comparing Dorian to Ronnie its at Ronnie's better conditions : 96/98/99/01 etc not Ronnie 2003 , so please get with the program .

[pumpster]

Please go back in every single one of these 270 pages and find where I said Dorian ' looked good ' I think he should have lost that one , you tend to comment on things that no one is discussing , when I am comparing Dorian to Ronnie its at Ronnie's better conditions : 96/98/99/01 etc not Ronnie 2003 , so please get with the program .

The fact that Coleman rapes Yates is an aside for the delusional one-he's now a professional arguer! 

[Hulkster]

Front lat spread; Ronnie has better arms, chest, shoulders and thighs.

agreed:



anyone who knows how to apply proper judging criteria would say that Ronnie has a much better front lat spread overall.

Hell, ND loves to posts all those paragraphs outlining how the judges look at everything in every pose, well, if thats the case, Dorian would lose this pose.

hahaha - ND gets trapped by his own mindless banter!!

[JamieX4200]

dont you think you guys have beaten this horse to death?