Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian's back was up to its full potential by 93 bu 97 it was wider but it didn't look as great in my opinion , you cannot say Ronnie's back is just as wide it may be but for you to claim it is isn't 100% accurate . and again we are deadlocked I wholeheartedly disagree with your claim Ronnie's traps are thicker , or his lats and erector spinae , and we can throw away the striations , Dorian's back is thicker , his lats from the front are clearly thicker and have better sweep.

That's fine you disagree, but these pics say you are wrong.

And you're mistaken on thinking symmetry means right/left exactness in the bodybuilding context , it doesn't it refers to balance & proportion , two areas which Ronnie can't hold a candle to Dorian on balance & proportion . Ronnie's lower balance is off due to quads to big and calves to small , his forearms are not in proportion with his massive biceps/triceps , his delts in the rear double bicep shot are actually smaller than his biceps/triceps , his glutes stick out past his hips , overall his balance can't match Dorian and thats why he looks better in most of the mandatory poses . and take a good look at Ronnie's calves if you want to talk about asymmetry both don't match each other and Ronnie's right front delt doesn't match his left , most likely due to being right handed and stronger in one arm.

I know what symmetry means in bodybuilding. You are a fool if you think it only refers to balance and proportion. According to your "brilliant" logic, a bodybuilder who only works out 1 side of his body wouldn't be penalized. Symmetry in the bodybuilding context means the relation of muscle groups to one another. This includes left and right halves, balance, and proportion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

smooth chest. Smooth arms. Smooth quads.

you post pics that back up what the Ronnie side is saying.

Shouldn't you be posting pics showing how great Dorian's chest, arms and legs look in the front lat spread?

oh, thats right - you can't

I have but internet-fans can't see them lol and I love how only what you precieve as Ronnie's strenghts in this pose matter , good thing you keep posting shots of Ronnie from the knees up  Dorian legs as a whole were great the only problem ( internet-fan-boy ) is upper quad seperation and thats NOT a problem when you factor in the rest of his overwhelming aspects into this shot .

[natural al]

Semi-serious Question ND:

Ballpark Figure: How many words do you think you have written in this thread alone that actually make sense? 2? 3? Enough for one sheet of toilet paper?

c'mon hulkster....you both know that both of you guys have written alot of bullshit in this thread.

[Hulkster]

c'mon hulkster....you both know that both of you guys have written alot of bullshit in this thread.

no, I backed up my opinions with proof (pics and videos)

ND backed up his with words like "lol", "balance and proportion" and "dryness and conditioning"  - all of which mean nothing because Dorian was unbalanced (arms vs. calves, lats vs. chest etc) and for all his dryness and conditioning was still nowhere near as detailed from head to toe as Ronnie.

[NarcissisticDeity]

That's fine you disagree, but these pics say you are wrong.







I know what symmetry means in bodybuilding. You are a fool if you think it only refers to balance and proportion. According to your "brilliant" logic, a bodybuilder who only works out 1 side of his body wouldn't be penalized. Symmetry in the bodybuilding context means the relation of muscle groups to one another. This includes left and right halves, balance, and proportion.

No those pics say your biased and can't scale to save your life   and again if you want to factor in right/left symmetry lets do it , Ronnie's calves aren't symmetrical neither are his abdominals , or his front deltoids , I can post pics were his lats aren't perfectly matched , so to claim that Dorian is the only one who suffers in this area is biased and wrong just like your scaling lol I love how a 249lb Ronnie has a wider waist than a 257lb Dorian , look at this picture for a closer scale of accuracy and notice how Dorian's lats are wider along with his waist .

[NarcissisticDeity]

c'mon hulkster....you both know that both of you guys have written alot of bullshit in this thread.

At least i didn't resort to derogatory comments on Ronnie like they did with Dorian , it shows you were they are in this debate .

[FREAKgeek]

Clear as crystal - Ronnie's back is wider, thicker, better separations, and even a better christmas tree in this relaxed pose.




Ronnie's thighs are bigger and with a plethora of hamstring definition, while Yates' appear narrow and smooth.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, I backed up my opinions with proof (pics and videos)

ND backed up his with words like "lol", "balance and proportion" and "dryness and conditioning"  - all of which mean nothing because Dorian was unbalanced (arms vs. calves, lats vs. chest etc) and for all his dryness and conditioning was still nowhere near as detailed from head to toe as Ronnie.

You post pictures of Ronnie & Dorian and say " look Ronnie has better balance & proportion " thats not proof thats denile

I've posted picture of Ronnie's biceps/triceps making his forearms look like twigs but thats balanced and Dorian's are not   I've posted pics of Ronnie quads making his calves look like twigs but he's balanced and Dorian is not   I've posted pics of Ronnie in the back double bicep shot where his biceps/triceps make his delts look small and this is balance   I've posted pics of Ronnie's glutes sticking out past his hips and can be seen in front poses for christs-sake but again this is balance?   again you do not not what balance & proportion are if you think Ronnie is balanced .

[Hulkster]

That's fine you disagree, but these pics say you are wrong.

that has been the framework of this entire thread.

ND speaks words, the pics and videos show he is wrong.

and then they get ignored..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Clear as crystal - Ronnie's back is wider, thicker, better separations, and even a better christmas tree in this relaxed pose.




Ronnie's thighs are bigger and with a plethora of hamstring definition, while Yates' appear narrow and smooth.

Now you're backpeddling and claiming his back is wider lol which again you do not know you're assuming based on a picture that isn't scaled properly wow you're good , learn how to scale for a more accurate compasrion please  until then don't make claims like that .

[NarcissisticDeity]

that has been the framework of this entire thread.

ND speaks words, the pics and videos show he is wrong.

and then they get ignored..

No you say the pics and videos show me wrong thats your biased opinion , when you make comments that Dorian is the most overrated bodybuilder of all time your ability to properly judge pictures & video becomes compromised due to ignorance , bias and objectiveity , you can't counter that .

[pumpster]

Quote from: natural al on Today at 09:44:24 PM
c'mon hulkster....you both know that both of you guys have written alot of bullshit in this thread.

At least i didn't resort to derogatory comments on Ronnie like they did with Dorian , it shows you were they are in this debate .

ND translation: "nyah, nyah n-nyah nyah."

[NeoSeminole]

Ha ha, ND complains about these comparisons







and then post this shit



I scaled Dorian an inch shorter than Ronnie to reflect their actual heights. What does ND do? He posts a pic of Dorian 1-2 inches taller than Ronnie. What a f*cking hypocrite.

[suckmymuscle]

Oh give me a break Suckmydick, I suppose you think this should have won the Mr. Olympia?











Here is Ronnie at 300+ lbs with a smaller midsection than Dorian 40 lbs less.

  First of all, you newbie piece of shit, talk respectfully to your superiors. Secondly, Dorian never looked half as bad as Coleman did in 2003 and especially in 2004. His abdomen was distended beyond any degree Dorian's ever was, he had practically no details anywhere when standing relaxed, his abs had no separation whatsoever and his humoungous quads overpowered his entire physique - especially the quads. To make my point, here are shots from the 1997 Oympia abnd the 2004 rendition, when both Dorian and Ronnie were at their worst. Dorian still looked like a bodybuilder, whereas Ronnie did not. Did you learn your lesson now, you newbie cun t?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[delta9mda]

ok, try this: steelers or cowboys

[suckmymuscle]

Congrats on missing it again-of course shape is not subjective-but which shape is better or worse is! You've blown it once again!

  It is official: "Poopster" is, out of the 30,000+ people who post on the getbig.com message boards, the one with the lowest I.Q. Of course the preference for one shape or the other is subjective, but the shape of the triceps objectively affects the judging criteria, you incredible, incredible moron! Why are Dorian's triceps superior? Because his three trieps heads insert lower in the tendon; his triceps musles are naturally longer. This is especially true of the outer triceps belly, which extends far lower on the triceps tendon than Coleman's. This also results in that his side triceps shot has more aestheti appeal than Ronnie's

Oh, they're not huh? He gives not explanation, just like ND, just makes blanket, foolish, uninformed statements! If you really understood anatomy at all, you'd finally get that if he had any size, you'd be able to produce an overhead shot showing it-you haven't.

 What is the shot especifically designed to show-case the triceps? That's right: the side triceps shot. And who's got the best side triceps shot? Dorian. Overhead shots are far less relevant than the side triceps pose, or the when the trieps is just hanging there, in the relaxed round.

Here's one of those overhead shots he mysteriously never comes up with-[bard to believe but the putrid biceps actually overwhelm the under-sized long head of the triceps! That area is too small in relation to the medial and lateral heads-if it was in balance, he'd have much better arms than he did. [/b] As it is, that is one ugly-ass upper arm!

  Absolutely irrelevant. Complete bias from a Ronnie nut-sucker. And by the way, it's obvious that Ronnie's triceps extends further away from his elbow than Dorian's: Ronnie's elbow joint is smaller than his. Duh! Furthermore, unlike Dorian, Ronnie's triceps and forearms are completely overpowered by his biceps, even at 250 lbs. Just pathetic! Here are shots that show just how much longer Dorian's triceps muscle bellies are. Physiology lesson for you, Poop!

[Big N]

Seriously guys, stop posting the same damn pix man! 

[suckmymuscle]

not if you read and follow your precious paragraphs he wasn't.

he had great lats, little else in that pose.

Unlike this:



who has great chest, quads, arms etc. in addtion to great lats

  No way, Huckster. Dorian had one of the top three front lat spreads of all times! And Ronnie's doesen't even make the top five list!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

Of course the preference for one shape or the other is subjective, but the shape of the triceps objectively affects the judging criteria, you incredible, incredible moron! Why are Dorian's triceps superior? Because his three trieps heads insert lower in the tendon; his triceps musles are naturally longer. This is especially true of the outer triceps belly,

Out of fear, SUCKY lurks only late at night, only when he thinks he won't get pummelled.

I have news for you-you don't comprehend anatomy. First of all it's not called the outer triceps belly. Secondly, only 2 out of 3 parts of his triceps look good, the two smaller and outer parts AKA medial and lateral heads, which is why he only looks good in the side triceps shot. It is not the only triceps shot but is for someone with his deficiencies.

What is the shot especifically designed to show-case the triceps? That's right: the side triceps shot. And who's got the best side triceps shot?

In your limited thinking, it's the only one because that's all that Yates can do. It is not the only shot to show triceps you fool.

[pumpster]

it's obvious that Ronnie's triceps extends further away from his elbow than Dorian's: Ronnie's elbow joint is smaller than his.

This "logic" is great! Keep up the contorted, convoluted, muddled logic that leads nowhere-i love it!

unlike Dorian, Ronnie's triceps and forearms are completely overpowered by his biceps, even at 250 lbs

According to you:
1/ It's better to have all-round mediocre balance-like Yates.

2/ His bis aren't overpowering the tris at all, you're still evidentally completely unaware (what else is new?) just how big his tris are because you don't understand anatomy you dolt!

[NeoSeminole]

First of all, you newbie piece of shit, talk respectfully to your superiors. Secondly, Dorian never looked half as bad as Coleman did in 2003 and especially in 2004. His abdomen was distended beyond any degree Dorian's ever was, he had practically no details anywhere when standing relaxed, his abs had no separation whatsoever and his humoungous quads overpowered his entire physique - especially the quads.

Ha ha ha ha ha

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ha ha, ND complains about these comparisons

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and then post this shit



I scaled Dorian an inch shorter than Ronnie to reflect their actual heights. What does ND do? He posts a pic of Dorian 1-2 inches taller than Ronnie. What a f*cking hypocrite.

Now Dorian in that pic is as tall as Alex Fedrov?  lol entertaining your nonsense for a minute don't you think if going by what you say , there would be just a tad more of a height discrepancy? like this one? which by the was Alex is 6'1" and Ronnie 5'11" and given your claim that Dorian in that pic is 1-2 inches taller than Ronnie that would make him exactly 6'0" to 6'1" and look at this pic and tell me the one of Dorian I posted shows an height advantage of this discrepency. you can't do it .

You post pictures were the proportions favor Ronnie and then go on and say Ronnie's back is just as wide as Dorians and then backpeddle a few posts later and then claim its wider lol keep your story straight . Ronnie 1998 didn't have the lat width he had latter in his career , look at this picture and you can clearly see his lats aren't much wider than Flex. standing alone that picture of Ronnie is misleading ontop of not being scaled properly , when you put things into prospective Ronnie's lat width in 98 wuld be lucky to compare to Dorian in 93 and thickness is out of the question .

[NeoSeminole]

Now Dorian in that pic is as tall as Alex Fedrov?  lol entertaining your nonsense for a minute don't you think if going by what you say , there would be just a tad more of a height discrepancy? like this one? which by the was Alex is 6'1" and Ronnie 5'11" and given your claim that Dorian in that pic is 1-2 inches taller than Ronnie that would make him exactly 6'0" to 6'1" and look at this pic and tell me the one of Dorian I posted shows an height advantage of this discrepency. you can't do it.

In each comparison I make, I pay attention to little details like foot positioning, knees, hips, etc. to see how they line up. You just post whatever you feel like with complete disregard to details. This is what you posted.



Can't you tell Alex Federov is standing closer to the camera?

Here is another comparison you posted before



Notice Dorian's head is 2 inches above Ronnie's head?

Just for the hell of it, I threw in this pic you posted



Ronnie isn't done flexing. Look how far back his arms are pulled and his traps are squeezed together. He hasn't even hit his prime yet, but you still posted it anyway.  

You post pictures were the proportions favor Ronnie and then go on and say Ronnie's back is just as wide as Dorians and then backpeddle a few posts later and then claim its wider lol keep your story straight . Ronnie 1998 didn't have the lat width he had latter in his career , look at this picture and you can clearly see his lats aren't much wider than Flex. standing alone that picture of Ronnie is misleading ontop of not being scaled properly , when you put things into prospective Ronnie's lat width in 98 wuld be lucky to compare to Dorian in 93 and thickness is out of the question.

No, I don't favor Ronnie in my pics. I try to post the best representative pics of each of them. Most of the Dorian pics I use are ones you posted. Unlike you and Suckmydick, I try to make this discussion as unbiased as possible. I used all Dorian pics from 93 (with the exception of the rear double biceps). I also went back and rescaled a few of the pics. Please show me where I said Ronnie's back in 98/99 was wider than Dorian's in 93. If you can show me this, then I will take back my comment. I remember saying Ronnie's back was just as wide. As for Flex Wheeler's lats being almost as wide as Ronnie's...



put down your crack pipe

[Shockwave]

Wow, im high as a kite on unnamed substances, but Im pretty sure Ronnie circa 98 would win.. However, personally, I would take Dorian's 93 look over Ronnie, Just for the powerhouse tank look, and the fact that I would rather be super dense than inflatable ballon.
My .02

[Tombo]

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