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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7525 on: July 31, 2006, 07:04:51 PM »
On a side note guys.....   I've only contributed a few little posts and even that has cut into my porn watching time..... how do you balance this with that?? lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7526 on: July 31, 2006, 07:05:53 PM »

alright guys, I am about to OWN ND.


You ready?

Here goes:

Chris Cormier is listed in Flex magazine that has the AC 2001 coverage as being 257 pounds (he states it in the Flex sidebar and it is also listed elsewhere).

Now, that means that Chris would be the same weight as Dorian in 1993.

And here is how he looks compared to Ronnie:



not much difference is there?

Bingo. ND's theory about dorian looking way bigger just goes out the window.

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LMFAO owning me? keep dreaming  ;) and he his clearly bigger BUT NOT AS DRY as Ronnie in those pics , so please with the premature proclomations of ownings lol you look stupid now .

Now look at this picl slick , a 248 pound Levrone making a 249lb Coleman look small  ;) and Yates always made Levrone look small . lol ( sucker )

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7527 on: July 31, 2006, 07:06:10 PM »
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umm, no 

Cormier is softer than a baby's ass....Dorian in that shape is offseason at 275lbs

Again the dummy only considers one aspect, conditioning, because he's obsessed with that. Size-wise he's right there with Yates at the same weight and looks like nothing compared to Coleman.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7528 on: July 31, 2006, 07:07:18 PM »
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and he his clearly bigger BUT NOT AS DRY as Ronnie in those pics

Nowhere close in size to Coleman, quite obviously. This guy should never be a judge.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7529 on: July 31, 2006, 07:07:48 PM »
Kevin just went overboard with the esiclene :-\


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7530 on: July 31, 2006, 07:07:54 PM »
umm, no ::)

Cormier is softer than a baby's ass....Dorian in that shape is offseason at 275lbs ;)

LMFAO at Hulkster trying to say a completely dry Dorian at 257lbs would look like a soft Cormier lol what a loser .


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7531 on: July 31, 2006, 07:09:26 PM »
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umm, no 

Cormier is softer than a baby's ass....Dorian in that shape is offseason at 275lbs


LMFAO at Hulkster trying to say a completely dry Dorian at 257lbs would look like a soft Cormier lol what a loser .

Two nerds giggling together; meanwhile they've missed the point (again?)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7532 on: July 31, 2006, 07:11:52 PM »
Two nerds giggling together; meanwhile they've missed the point (again?)

Cormier doesnt even have striated glutes yet you are going to compare him condition wise (and therefore sizewise) to Yates in 93 ??? ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7533 on: July 31, 2006, 07:15:02 PM »
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Cormier doesnt even have striated glutes yet you are going to compare him condition wise (and therefore sizewise) to Yates in 93

Who said the criteria was only conditioning, other than you making yet another false assumption?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7534 on: July 31, 2006, 07:40:35 PM »
Ronnie's best conditioning was either in '96 or the '01 ASC

here's a question to you hulkster:

Ronnie rarely displays quad striations. Why is it that he had striations everywhere in his quads in '96 yet displayed none at the '99 olympia? Would this not indicate inferior conditioning?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7535 on: July 31, 2006, 07:51:22 PM »
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here's a question to you hulkster:

Ronnie rarely displays quad striations. Why is it that he had striations everywhere in his quads in '96 yet displayed none at the '99 olympia? Would this not indicate inferior conditioning?


no.

Here is why. ronnie in 96 had striations BUT lacked DEEP seperation between the muscles of the thigh.

ronnie in 99 had superdeep etched quads that looked better than his quads did in 96.  The superdeep etched muscle indicates superior conditioning than the undelineated but somewhat striated muscle of 96.

compare:

1996:

yes, there are some striations, but the delination is weak.


1999:

ronnie's quads have never looked better than they did in 99.

his quads were much more sliced in 99 than they were in 96.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7536 on: July 31, 2006, 08:02:21 PM »
you obviously haven't seen BFTO 96 ;) His quads are just as deply etched....but WITH striations ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7537 on: July 31, 2006, 08:02:53 PM »
The Olympia is "primarily" about size, not only about size. Ronnie at 287 pounds was in good condition. He has striated glutes at that weight so his condition isn't bad. His condition isn't Dorian 93 condition but it's good enough with his unbelievable muscularity and size to beat anyone competing today or in years past. I like Ruhl, but he doesn't have the structure, shape and detail to ever beat Ronnie. Dorian at 257 was awesome, I've said that many times, but even at good as he is at that weight, he's simply never had the shape, separation and detail that Ronnie has.

  Ok, I'm gonna say it flat out: Ronnie, in 2003 was the most muscular bodybuilder ever. But the thing is that being the most muscular does not immediately = the best bodybuilder. But yes, if the 257 lbs Dorian went agains the 287 lbs Ronnie, the latter would probably win. Why? Because of fans like you. Fans who favor sheer size above everything else. Fans like you are the ones who pay the tickets to watch pro shows; ergo, to please you and others like you, the judges would give the nod to Ronnie. The is that, however, even though Ronnie would officially win, he wouldn't really be the winner. Why? Because the I.F.B.B official judging criteria says so. A 260 lbs bodybuilder with a flat midsection, an etched six-pack, superior hardness and a superbly balanced physique defeats a 287 lbs bodybuilder with a distended midsection, no visible six-pack, lesser details and no calves. Ronnie's gut, by itself, is enough to make him lose the symmetry round flat out. There goes half the judging! And it also severely compromises him at several mandatories: the abs-and-thigh, the side triceps and the side chest - because his gut distension is clearly visible from the sides. Ronnie has a single strengh over Dorian at this weight: muscularity. But he has several weaknesses that Dorian hasn't: gut distension, poor abs, no calves and lesser back details. You're right that the judges would probably give him the nod, because it seems that muscle diameter is everything that matters nowadays, even if it comes with lesser quality and severe symmetry flaws. And by the way, 30 lbs don't mean shit: pro bodybuilders have been known to defeat rivals ho outeight them by 50 lbs. To me, Dorian had more than enough muscle quality and size, coupled ith better balance, to defeat a pregnant 280+ Ronnie. But yeah, the judges ould overlook that, even though the I.F.B.B official judging booklet would not. It's as simple as that. Dorian also on, in 1997, for the same reason Ronnie did in 2003: he was the most muscular man onstage. Well, at least Dorian's gut distension, although considerable, wasn't half s bad as Ronnie's in 2003.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7538 on: July 31, 2006, 08:14:57 PM »
 Ok, I'm gonna say it flat out: Ronnie, in 2003 was the most muscular bodybuilder ever. But the thing is that being the most muscular does not immediately = the best bodybuilder. But yes, if the 257 lbs Dorian went agains the 287 lbs Ronnie, the latter would probably win. Why? Because of fans like you. Fans who favor sheer size above everything else. Fans like you are the ones who pay the tickets to watch pro shows; ergo, to please you and others like you, the judges would give the nod to Ronnie. The is that, however, even though Ronnie would officially win, he wouldn't really be the winner. Why? Because the I.F.B.B official judging criteria says so. A 260 lbs bodybuilder with a flat midsection, an etched six-pack, superior hardness and a superbly balanced physique defeats a 287 lbs bodybuilder with a distended midsection, no visible six-pack, lesser details and no calves. Ronnie's gut, by itself, is enough to make him lose the symmetry round flat out. There goes half the judging! And it also severely compromises him at several mandatories: the abs-and-thigh, the side triceps and the side chest - because his gut distension is clearly visible from the sides. Ronnie has a single strengh over Dorian at this weight: muscularity. But he has several weaknesses that Dorian hasn't: gut distension, poor abs, no calves and lesser back details. You're right that the judges would probably give him the nod, because it seems that muscle diameter is everything that matters nowadays, even if it comes with lesser quality and severe symmetry flaws. And by the way, 30 lbs don't mean shit: pro bodybuilders have been known to defeat rivals ho outeight them by 50 lbs. To me, Dorian had more than enough muscle quality and size, coupled ith better balance, to defeat a pregnant 280+ Ronnie. But yeah, the judges ould overlook that, even though the I.F.B.B official judging booklet would not. It's as simple as that. Dorian also on, in 1997, for the same reason Ronnie did in 2003: he was the most muscular man onstage. Well, at least Dorian's gut distension, although considerable, wasn't half s bad as Ronnie's in 2003.

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Suckmymuscle you've got me all wrong. My 3 favorite bodybuilders are Flex, Lee labrada, and Samir Bannout. Yes, I like the mass monsters, I think it's amazing how big the guys are today, but I didn't add my two cents to this because I think Ronnie should win because he's bigger than everyoneelse. I added my two cents to this because to my two eyes Ronnie has Dorian's size, plus something I've never seen in Dorian.....separation, shape, and detail. I'm sorry, as great as Dorian is he's just never had good shape, detail, and separation in his arms, delts, and chest. It's just not there, especially when compared to Ronnie. In my humble opinion, Ronnie clearly beats Dorian by having much better shape, separation, and detail. To my eyes it's clear. To your eyes your opinion is clear. We just have tlo agree to disagree and respect each other's opinions. I agree with you on the gut issue. But you know who brought that to the stage first? Dorian did. There are several things I don't like about the bodies today but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate then none the less. I just think a 287 pound Ronnie has more than enough size and good enough condition to beat anyone.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7539 on: July 31, 2006, 08:30:27 PM »
why the fuck are you guys compareing "OLD" pics
grundle has no sack,

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7540 on: July 31, 2006, 08:32:34 PM »
Suckmymuscle you've got me all wrong. My 3 favorite bodybuilders are Flex, Lee labrada, and Samir Bannout. Yes, I like the mass monsters, I think it's amazing how big the guys are today, but I didn't add my two cents to this because I think Ronnie should win because he's bigger than everyoneelse. I added my two cents to this because to my two eyes Ronnie has Dorian's size, plus something I've never seen in Dorian.....separation, shape, and detail.

  No, Ronnie had those things at the 1998 and 1999 Olympia, the 1996 Canada Pro Cup and the 2001 ASC. In 2003, he had far less separations and details. Shape? Ho can one have shape if one looks pregnant? Ronnie didn't look like a bodybuilder anymore in 2003, but rather a shredded strongman. That's not a great physique...

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I'm sorry, as great as Dorian is he's just never had good shape, detail, and separation in his arms, delts, and chest. It's just not there, especially when compared to Ronnie. In my humble opinion, Ronnie clearly beats Dorian by having much better shape, separation, and detail. To my eyes it's clear. To your eyes your opinion is clear. We just have tlo agree to disagree and respect each other's opinions. I agree with you on the gut issue. But you know who brought that to the stage first? Dorian did. There are several things I don't like about the bodies today but that doesn't mean that I can't appreciate then none the less. I just think a 287 pound Ronnie has more than enough size and good enough condition to beat anyone.

  Dorian has a clear genetic disadvantage, in relation to Ronnie, when it comes to taper. But in 2003, Ronnie's midsetion detriorated so much that Dorian clearly takes him out there. Dorian regularly defeated guys who outweighed him by 30 lbs, but with better taper and details than the 2003 Ronnie(eg: Dillet). At least we can agree on something: the 1988 Labrada would defeat any version of both Dorian and Ronnie. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7541 on: July 31, 2006, 08:34:56 PM »
 At least we can agree on something: the 1988 Labrada would defeat any version of both Dorian and Ronnie. ;)

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oh brother...I think you've gone clinically insane :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7542 on: July 31, 2006, 08:39:23 PM »
yeah buddy...150lbs DBs like peanuts 8)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7543 on: July 31, 2006, 08:40:11 PM »
oh brother...I think you've gone clinically insane :-\

  Why? Because Labrada looked like a Greek statue come to life...? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7544 on: July 31, 2006, 08:40:21 PM »
another day at the office 8)


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7545 on: July 31, 2006, 08:43:13 PM »
8)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7546 on: July 31, 2006, 08:45:03 PM »
awesome


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7547 on: July 31, 2006, 08:51:49 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7548 on: July 31, 2006, 08:52:45 PM »
as great as Dorian was in 93, a new standard was set in 2003, I can accept this:


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7549 on: July 31, 2006, 08:55:47 PM »
I know the picture is small, but look at that taper :o