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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7950 on: August 05, 2006, 06:28:31 PM »
NO WAY Coleman should have beaten this in 2001. As bad as Dorian looked in '94....second place was 50lbs lighter, and this is bodybuilding, it's all about muscle....but in '01 cutler was just as muscular as Coleman and was better conditioned. Highway robbery at its best.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7951 on: August 05, 2006, 06:31:54 PM »
I have to admitt...I thought you were just a "Coleminiac"...but this is an excellent post. I agree 100%

Thanks pobrecito.

I can't deny that Dorian has remarkable strengths which make him beat competition which was at times greatly genetically superior.  You will note this if you watch him in contests, especially when he hits a back shot.

Neither Dorian nor Ronnie were ever among the aesthetic elite (e.g., Bob Paris, Shawn Ray, Flex Wheeler, Lee Labrada, and the like), so you have to judge them by virtue of other strengths.  It just so happens I feel that Ronnie's sheer mass is too hard to ignore even in light of Dorian's granite hardness, stage dominance/posing, superior abs, and other strengths he has over Ronnie.  Like I said, I think Ronnie in 2003 would be the version of Ronnie to compare to Dorian.  Ronnie was superb in 1998, but a prior version of Dorian (1993) would be closer to that version of Ronnie than Dorian of 1993 versus Ronnie's 2003 self IMO.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7952 on: August 05, 2006, 06:59:55 PM »
NO WAY Coleman should have beaten this in 2001. As bad as Dorian looked in '94....second place was 50lbs lighter, and this is bodybuilding, it's all about muscle....but in '01 cutler was just as muscular as Coleman and was better conditioned. Highway robbery at its best.



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7953 on: August 05, 2006, 07:03:46 PM »
Some ironagers would say that lol!

I don't get what this fascination is with Ronnie in 1998 or 1999.  Yes, his shape and symmetry was at a personal best, but in 2003, not only was his shape and symmetry very good by competitive bodybuilding standards, but his size was insane!!

I have to give it to Dorian on calves and dryness, but Ronnie's conditioning is equal in a different way.  Dorian and Ronnie both have reprehensible midsections, but Dorian has better abs where Ronnie has more mass to compensate for his gut and make it more forgivable (although guts should rarely, if ever, be forgivable).  Dorian's lats originate closer to his waist and create a more pleasing lat span in many poses (abs and thigh), but Ronnie's sheer mass beat Dorian's in some other poses (most muscular).

I do think Dorian at his best would probably be among Ronnie's best competition, but I would have to give the edge to Ronnie, by virtue of sheer size, which I feel outweighs Dorian's strengths over Ronnie.

 Well in all honesty Ronnie 98/99 are his best Olympia appearences . and Ronnie never had really specracular balance but it was better when he was lighter , this is noticable at heavier & much lighter weights .

Dorian in 1993 did NOT have a reprehensible midsection , not in the least and no where near Coleman 2003 and even at his worse Dorian's midsection never stuck out to the lenght Ronnies did mainly due to the fact that Dorian has a naturaly wider waist and Ronnie has a very short torso so while Dorian's expands sideways Ronnie's sticks out frontways. so while Ronnie ( 2003 ) has a 30lb weight advantage he's still not as dry or balanced as Yates so while he may match Dorian in the density and surpass him on muscular bulk thats NOT an automatic winner .

I'm readily willing to admit Dorian even with better balance & conditioning than 2003 Ronnie may lose , Ronnie 2003 was absolutely HUGE with good conditioning so Yates maybe would be relegated to a Shawn Ray role but thats not set in stone , but if anyone could give Ronnie 2003 a run for his money is Yates. remember the judges look for muscular bulk , muscular balance , musclar density and definition ( conditioning ) Dorian has the edge in conditioning & balance , Ronnie maybe in density & bulk so its closer than it appears . Ronnie in 2003 may have dominated Cutler & Jackson but never faced anyone like Yates. factor in Dorian has beaten 280lb + bodybuilders before , Fux , Harrison , El Sonbaty , and Ronnie is another example himself of a smaller bodybuilder beating Nasser at the 1998 Olympia despite being 30lbs lighter.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7954 on: August 05, 2006, 07:07:29 PM »
You suffer from classic "looks great alone pic" syndrome

Jay looked better with Ronnie on stage as well.... ;)..and the judges thought so too...why do you think he won the pre-judging (and therefore in reality, the contest). Only the powers that be saved Coleman on that fateful day ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7955 on: August 05, 2006, 07:16:34 PM »
Jay looked better with Ronnie on stage as well.... ;)..and the judges thought so too...why do you think he won the pre-judging (and therefore in reality, the contest). Only the powers that be saved Coleman on that fateful day ;)

Basically the prejudging is where the contest is won , Cutler won the battle but Coleman won the war but Coleman's invincibility was tarnished and Ronnie knows he lost to the better man.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7956 on: August 05, 2006, 07:20:11 PM »
Basically the prejudging is where the contest is won , Cutler won the battle but Coleman won the war but Coleman's invincibility was tarnished and Ronnie knows he lost to the better man.

Ronnie also knows he lost to the man who failed the diuretics test.......but that's something for another thread....

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7957 on: August 05, 2006, 07:25:26 PM »
Ronnie also knows he lost to the man who failed the diuretics test.......but that's something for another thread....

Well Jay's test wasn't done according to the I.F.B.B. own protocol , it wasn't done in an proper lab so this compromises the test , now in all honesty we both know he was on diuretics but its a technicality . and Ronnie used a prop and multicolored posing trunks both are against I.F.B.B. rules so while both are wrong either you're going to DQ both of them or neither.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7958 on: August 05, 2006, 07:27:26 PM »
Some ironagers would say that lol!

I don't get what this fascination is with Ronnie in 1998 or 1999.  Yes, his shape and symmetry was at a personal best, but in 2003, not only was his shape and symmetry very good by competitive bodybuilding standards, but his size was insane!!

I have to give it to Dorian on calves and dryness, but Ronnie's conditioning is equal in a different way.  Dorian and Ronnie both have reprehensible midsections, but Dorian has better abs where Ronnie has more mass to compensate for his gut and make it more forgivable (although guts should rarely, if ever, be forgivable).  Dorian's lats originate closer to his waist and create a more pleasing lat span in many poses (abs and thigh), but Ronnie's sheer mass beat Dorian's in some other poses (most muscular).

I do think Dorian at his best would probably be among Ronnie's best competition, but I would have to give the edge to Ronnie, by virtue of sheer size, which I feel outweighs Dorian's strengths over Ronnie.

You are exactly right Matt. Dorian was a great champion and a bodybuilder who brought in a new era in bodybuilding. Ronnie took what Dorian brought in (size) and added his shape, separation and detail to make a package that has won him 8 Mr. Olympias.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7959 on: August 05, 2006, 07:32:34 PM »
Well Jay's test wasn't done according to the I.F.B.B. own protocol , it wasn't done in an proper lab so this compromises the test , now in all honesty we both know he was on diuretics but its a technicality . and Ronnie used a prop and multicolored posing trunks both are against I.F.B.B. rules so while both are wrong either you're going to DQ both of them or neither.

I agree we both know he was on diuretics but if I remember correctly didn't the lab that performed the tests lose their official olympic certification on some sort of silly technicality or something?  I remember reading something like that and thinking Jay got real lucky on that one. That would have cost him some serious money. I think they let the prop thing slide because it wasn't truly a prop and Sept 11 had just been a few weeks earlier.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7960 on: August 05, 2006, 07:50:24 PM »
I agree we both know he was on diuretics but if I remember correctly didn't the lab that performed the tests lose their official olympic certification on some sort of silly technicality or something?  I remember reading something like that and thinking Jay got real lucky on that one. That would have cost him some serious money. I think they let the prop thing slide because it wasn't truly a prop and Sept 11 had just been a few weeks earlier.


Both were lucky that day.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7961 on: August 05, 2006, 07:57:18 PM »
couldnt give a fuck
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7962 on: August 05, 2006, 10:31:28 PM »
  No, you're wrong, dimwitt. As the commentator said when Dorian was posing:"He's like a Haney, but with better legs." Dorian should have won in 1991. I mean, he won one of the two most important rounds(muscularity), and, even though Haney ad a better V-taper, which made him win the symmetry round, the difference was so small that Dorian could probbly have taken it. Dorian, imself, said that Haney had him on pec thickness and posed better, and that was why he won. The fact that you think Haney would have won against the 1992 Dorian, despite his vastly improved taper and conditioning - Dorian was starting to nail his conditioning by then, which would culminate in his 1995 and 1996 showings, which were the best graininess ever seen on a bodybuilding stage -, goes to show that you're biased against Dorian. Just admit it! >:(

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Dipshit, have you been reading my posts.  Dorian did not look better in 1992 than in 1991.  He was two frickin pounds heavier.  Haney would have still outmuscled him.  However, if you would have read my post, I stated that Dorian in 1993 would be tough for anyone (including Coleman) to beat.  So, stick in your ear.  I am in no way biased against Dorian.  i actually think he speaks well and is a hell of a good commentor; much better than that schmuck who worked with Triple H last year for the PPV.  Haney had a better taper, thicker chest and upper back and a waist that Dorian last possessed when he was fifteen.  Nobody except Buchanon had Haney's taper.  Probecito is an idiotl; he has probably never seen a live show.  I have seen over five pro shows and Haney was indisputably the king that year.  As you always like to say Sucky, you had to see Haney to appreciate his size and shape.  Everybody in the audience that was unbiased knew this to be true.  Now, Dorian in 1993...lights out baby.  I believe one of the top five presentations ever on the stage.  I have been ragging on your boy for his 1994/1997 and even 1996 shape.  Coleman at his best would kill him in those years.   Now, Dorian in 1993 would easily be a match for any Coleman year and it would be an epic battle. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7963 on: August 05, 2006, 10:36:38 PM »
Haney would have still outmuscled him
Yes, that's why Haney lost the muscularity round to Dorian, moron :-\

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7964 on: August 05, 2006, 11:01:15 PM »
By one point and he won the symmetry and posing rounds unanimously.  Go back to bed Prosciutto, it is quitting time.  Dorian was great but he got beat relatively easily.  By the night show, everybody knew it was Haney, but they were all freaked by the "new" guy.  Have you ever been to a show? Have you seen Doz in person?  I have and he is awesome.  Haney was just better that day.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7965 on: August 05, 2006, 11:05:34 PM »
By one point and he won the symmetry and posing rounds unanimously.  Go back to bed Prosciutto, it is quitting time.  Dorian was great but he got beat relatively easily.  By the night show, everybody knew it was Haney, but they were all freaked by the "new" guy.  Have you ever been to a show? Have you seen Doz in person?  I have and he is awesome.  Haney was just better that day.

Either way if it's really that close of a call (practical tie) then the reigning champ should keep the title like in boxing when they have a draw.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7966 on: August 05, 2006, 11:15:51 PM »
Yes, that's why Haney lost the muscularity round to Dorian, moron :-\

  Oh man, you beat me to it! That's exactly what I was going to reply to him! Dr.Queen has no clue... ;D ;D ;D

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P.S: I didn't say he increased his muscularity, you idiot; I said he improved his taper and conditioning. Illiterate moron.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7967 on: August 06, 2006, 03:46:44 PM »
  Oh man, you beat me to it! That's exactly what I was going to reply to him! Dr.Queen has no clue... ;D ;D ;D

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P.S: I didn't say he increased his muscularity, you idiot; I said he improved his taper and conditioning. Illiterate moron.



Also, if Haney was 250, and Dorian was only 239, yet was deemed more muscular....how much better conditioned was Yates than Haney? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7968 on: August 06, 2006, 07:22:34 PM »
Jay looked better with Ronnie on stage as well.... ;)..and the judges thought so too...why do you think he won the pre-judging (and therefore in reality, the contest). Only the powers that be saved Coleman on that fateful day ;)

Silly.

Why didn't he win the Olympia?

It was fixed right?  :)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7969 on: August 06, 2006, 07:26:20 PM »
Dorian Yates has lower lat insertions.

Ronnie Coleman has a litter bit higher insertions which accounts for his greater width.

This is my many pic observations esp. from the front lat spread.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7970 on: August 06, 2006, 07:31:36 PM »
Silly.

Why didn't he win the Olympia?

It was fixed right?  :)

If Jay won the pre-judging how did he lose the show ??? He beat Coleman in muscularity and symmetry ???

Coleman won becuase of american flag panties ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7971 on: August 06, 2006, 07:39:11 PM »
Ronnie in 2003 may have dominated Cutler & Jackson but never faced anyone like Yates. factor in Dorian has beaten 280lb + bodybuilders before , Fux , Harrison , El Sonbaty , and Ronnie is another example himself of a smaller bodybuilder beating Nasser at the 1998 Olympia despite being 30lbs lighter.

Are you even going to suggest that Cutler and Jackson are worse than Fux, Harrison?

HAHAHAHAAHA


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7972 on: August 06, 2006, 07:40:29 PM »
If Jay won the pre-judging how did he lose the show ??? He beat Coleman in muscularity and symmetry ???

Coleman won becuase of american flag panties ???

He won because he was better. Even ND won't dispute that.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7973 on: August 06, 2006, 07:42:09 PM »
He won because he was better. Even ND won't dispute that.

A blind bat could even see that Jay won that show....I mean come on, Jay was sharper, more cut, and had a concave stomach on his poses...not stickout like Coleman!

The show is ALWAYS determined during pre-juding. Jay was deemed more muscular and more symmetrical. He won the show.

Coleman was gifted. Why else would he signal that he was 2nd? ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #7974 on: August 06, 2006, 07:51:04 PM »
The show is ALWAYS determined during pre-juding.

So what are you implying here?

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Coleman was gifted.

Any concrete evidence besides the normal "A Mr. O always retains his title" erroneous neophyte fan bullshit?

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Why else would he signal that he was 2nd?


His immodest way of showing sportsmanship.