Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Extreme Muscle]

Ronnie beats that rear lat spread of Dorian. Ronnie has visible separation between his traps and lats. You can actually see where his traps insert. Dorian's traps seem to blend into his lats. Ronnie also has better arms, glutes, quad sweep, and hamstrings. Even his lower back looks more crisp.

ronnie looks like he has a pack of hotdogs on the back of his neck

[bigmc]

Ronnie destroys yates apart from condition it really is obvious if your objective

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND thinks that Dorian's quads are fantastic up close, but turn to shit on camera..

Apparently, he also thinks that that Ronnie's quads are unaffected by the lense

ND really has no clue


funny how even the poses where Dorian is supposed to kill Ronnie are in actual fact pretty damn close..

Another fair comparison from the internet-fan lol there is a reason you fear Dorian at his best and why you keep posting crummy pics 

look at Yates NO distension or  bitch-tits

[sculpture]

I thought you ' grew tired ' of this whole thread weels ago? and when I claim that Dorian has superior density its in reguards to Ronnie at around the same weight 1998/1999 so get with the program son. 

I'm sorry but you've been owned there son .

I've noticed your use of terminology often goes unchecked and PF called you out on muscular density.

It reminds me when you used to post such garbage as "he has superior balance, symmetry, proportion and harmony" in a vain effort to come across as both informed and correct.

Do any of the words actually mean anything different from one another?

[suckmymuscle]

You still have no idea what muscle density is, do you?

The amount of muscle per unit area.
Ronnie Coleman has far more muscle on an equivalent frame.
Hence, Ronnie Coleman's muscle density is superior to Dorian's.

I grow tired of your confusion.
Conditioning and grain are not synonymous to density.
Muscle hardness is not muscle density.

You evidently have no idea what the term means. Its merely a buzzword to you. Its getting old.

  But, as you've said it yourself, bodybuilding is a visual sport, and the bottom line is that Dorian's muscles look denser. And what is this argument of yours that density is "amount of muscle per unit area.". What the hell does that even mean? Muscles are muscles: you can't "squeeze" more muscles into an "unit area" . Density, as far as bodybuilding is concerned, is simply about how hard a muscle appears to be, and the bottom line is that Dorian's muscles always looked harder than Ronnie's. Ronnie had a distende midsection and much ower detils than he did in 1998 at the 2003 olympia, athough I'm the first to admit that his muscularity was incredible. Uinfortunatey, muscle "size" does not immediately equate with muscle hardness and the bottom line is that, when it comes to this Dorian was the hardest and most conditioned bodybuilder of all times. In fact, I think even ronnie, himself, will admit that Dorian's iron-hard appearance surpasses his at any of his Olympias. When it comes to density, the ony bodybuilders I can think off who even come close to Dorian would be Aykutlu and, perhaps, Baddel. Ronnie was not as hard s Dorian in 2003, even though his muscularity was sight to behold and he still had tons of striations. These pics are from the 1997 Olympia. Dorian already had a distended midsection by then and his separations were at it's worse. Yet, he was at his densest. I dre you to come with pics where Ronnie looks this hard. I am not talking about muscularity or even separations, but only density. Ronnie can't beat this, dude. Give up.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Only in his 2003 version can Coleman compete with Dorian when it comes to lat width: in his lighter versions, Ronnie's lat are lacking both in width and thickness when compared to The Yates

sucky, you are a retard. Just so you know. Here he is in 1999.

[sculpture]

sucky, you are a retard. Just so you know. Here he is in 1999.

Unfair. Video makes ronnie out to be bigger and better than he actually is. Apparently it doesnt flatter dorian in the same manner.


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAHAHA

[Praetor Fenix]

Ok, dude. Quote from Peter McGough, in his review of the 1997 Olympia, when talking about Dorian(FLEX, December issue, 1997):

  "Yates was 266 lbs during pre-judging, the heaviest he's ever been for a contest. By the night show, he ballooned to 274 lbs. The added weight translated into greater fullness in his back, quads and pectorals. The minus was his midsecion, of which more latter. His back was at the best I've ever seen it: thick, full and the separations between his latissimus, teres major and rhomboids were clearly visible."(continues)

Did it ever occur to you that he is mistaken too? I've already said its a common mistake.
Did it ever occur to you that he failed to mention the infraspinatus??
The infraspinatus is  a larger muscle, and it is more prominent and visible, since its not hidden beneath the trapezius.

Peter McGough is an editor. He is not a scientist. He is not an authority in academia.
His personal testimony may be relevant to the Dorian vs. Ronnie debate, but it is meaningless in this regard.

You and Peter McGough, no offense, are laymen in relation to this subject.
You are Hoi polloi! (the common man).
I have received a formal education in the sciences.
More importantly, my instructors were Ph.D's with extensive education and research experience.
Lastly, my textbook was written by a collaboration of the leading authorities in the nation.

I'll keep driving this point as long as you continue to refer to 3rd-person hearsay for support.

The rhomboids are visible, even if only a portion of it. The muscular stretch which occurs when doing the back double biceps pose makes part of it become visible. You lose.

I don't know how to make this any clearer...
The rhomboids are a deep, interior muscle.
The other adjacent muscles are not only larger, but they originate directly on the surface.

The rhomboids attach the vertebrae to the scapulae.
The portion you are referring to, that is visible on a skinless cadaver before removing a cross section of the trapezius, is very deep and it attaches to the posterior portion of the medial border of the scapulae.

Now, keep in mind that a large muscle known as the infraspinatus is situated directly on the scapula, much closer to the surface. Couple that with the size and proximity of the trapezius, and the rhomboid segment is simply too small and deep to be externally visible.

There are other muscles in the body that aren't covered by an adjacent muscle, yet they are not visible simply because they are not close enough to the surface to warrant attention.

You can't see a bodybuilder's scapulae! There is simply too much muscle on top!

If you can't see their scapulae AT ALL, THEN you can't see the BOTTOM of the MEDIAL BORDER of the scapulae

If you can't see the bottom of the medial border, then you can't see the muscle that attaches to the the bottom of medial border. The muscle is more interior to the medial border.

CASE CLOSED MOTHER-FUCKER!

As for me not wanting to recognize a mistake, I can't do that if there's no mistake to recognize. On one of my posts, when talking about the 2002 Olympia, I mentioned Jay Cutler. you called me out, saying that he didn't compete that year. I recognized my mistake and apologized for confusing the 2001 Olympia with the one of the following year. So, I have no probles apologiing for mistakes I make.

Irrelevant example.
It was obvious that you were referring to 2001. You simply mixed up the year.

This mistake, however, demonstrates your lack of education in the bio-med sciences.
This is more than mere confusion, its ignorance ... and you are reluctant to admit it.
You hurt your credibility, and you know you did .. you'll try desperately to salvage any remnant.

As for me being loser, I'm laughing at it and typing this on the new Sony Vayo I just purchased. Oh, and I watched this year's U.S Open on my new plasma T.V. So, I'm doing pretty well; thank you very much. And it is not me who has, as an avatar, the picture of a character from Starcraft. That's pretty pathetic.

... and how is this relevant? I never claimed that you weren't wealthy.
Rather, I said that you are a piece of shit person, and I stand by that.

Mary J. Blige is rich and she reads at a 7th grade level. You two should get together.
You'd have a great deal in common. 

... oh, but wait, you are a racist sack of shit who believes skin color, and not environmental circumstances, dictate a human being's intelligence.

Boy do you throw a monkey wrench into that equation you ignorant f**k!

[LyricTenor]

woah settle down child.

[FREAKgeek]

such passion for the rhomboids...

[sculpture]

... and how is this relevant? I never claimed that you weren't wealthy.
Rather, I said that you are a piece of shit person, and I stand by that.

Mary J. Blige is rich and she reads at a 7th grade level. You two should get together.
You'd have a great deal in common. 

... oh, but wait, you are a racist sack of shit who believes skin color, and not environmental circumstances, dictate a human being's intelligence.

Boy do you throw a monkey wrench into that equation you ignorant f**k!

This is 24 carat gold.

How i enjoy watching sucky get humiliated.

[donrhummy]

I don't know how to make this any clearer...
The rhomboids are a deep, interior muscle.
The other adjacent muscles are not only larger, but they originate directly on the surface.

You're correct. The Rhomboideus major and minor are NOT visible externally as they are located UNDER the trapezious muscle.

[Necrosis]

such passion for the rhomboids...

i laughed out loud at this, hahahahahahhahhahahhahah ahahhhaha

this is gold

[nicorulez]

Sucky, you dipshit..it is VAIO...it is clearly labelled on the computer you are typing on.  Regardless, you use third person references like Peter McGough...oh boy.  I know you are almost as much of a Peter nutsucker as you are Dorian's, but your ignorance and stupidity on the matter is mind-boggling.  Praetor has called you out for the piece of shit that you are and the idiot you continue to be.  You have barely a grade school education.  Your grammar is pathetic.  Your spelling is awful.  Your defense of team Dorian makes ND blush.  You might as well be pulling for Ronnie, as your absurd comments and assumptions have been repeatedly bashed and repudiated by everyone on this board.  ND is usually reasonable.  He believes that Dorian is better, but barely.  I can respect that opinion.  It is hilarious that you would think it would be a blow out between Coleman and Yates.  If anything, it would go to the wire and most feel Ronnie would win.  Then again, this comes from the man who wants to take Peter's word over Cornell PhD's who write the text on the subject (regarding the infamous rhomboids...oh boy).  Moreover, you arguing with Praetor is akin to bringing a switchblade to a machete wielding contest....LOL.  It is fun to fuck with you my friend as you are so obviously mentally incapacitated.

[Hulkster]

alright ladies and ronnie supporters, I am off to the far north again, to catch more bass and pike.

I will continue to own all the pro-dorian fans on sunday.

In parting I would once again like to say that ND and Suckmyasshole really have no idea what they are talking about.

that much is obvious when you look at all the pics and videos in this thread.

Hell, my last post showed that even at lighter bodyweights (1999), Ronnie was unreal in the lat department and didn't have to wait until 2003 to match dorian:

yet another example in a long list of stuff that show that these guys really have no clue...

[pumpster]

ND is usually reasonable.  He believes that Dorian is better, but barely.

ND reasonable after saying yesterday that it's debatable that Coleman's back double bi is better? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND reasonable after saying yesterday that it's debatable that Coleman's back double bi is better? 

Wow Good job posting a fair & accurate comparision  why do you fear posting a great pic of Dorian? because you know your point is null & void if you do so.

This back double biceps from head to toe is very comprable.

[Necrosis]

yes, sucklargecocks is the type of guy that goes to the local booster juice facility weaing coveralls with the ass flap missing and orders a large triple semen wheat grass mixture, with a duck butter shot straight from the asscrack of a special olympian.

[pumpster]

Quote from: pumpster on Today at 05:07:54 PM
ND reasonable after saying yesterday that it's debatable that Coleman's back double bi is better?   

Wow Good job posting a fair & accurate comparision   why do you fear posting a great pic of Dorian?

ND the bumbler posts a pic showing Yates with the exact same biceps deficiencies; what an amateur! Pathetic & desperate. Yates owned again in a pose that ND claims they're comparable in. Yates' tris are also smallish in comparison.

Greatness compared with mediocrity and ND claims they're "comparable".  

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND the bumbler posts a pic showing Yates with the same laughable biceps deficiencies; what an amateur! Pathetic & desperate. Yates owned again in that pose while ND claims they're comparable.

Wait you say I'm pathetic & desperate and you post the worse pic of Yates you can find lol you're a lost little man in this debate.

anyway its a good thing you don't post a full picture of Ronnie in the back double biceps shot because his laughable calf deficiences would be plainly evident 

Dorian is comprable in that picture in terms of muscular bulk , has the outright edge in balanced development and conditioning . the ONLY advantage Coleman has is hi-peaked biceps .

[pumpster]

Wait you say I'm pathetic & desperate and you post the worse pic of Yates you can find lol you're a lost little man in this debate.

Your "better" pic just confirmed that you don't know what you're talking about..arm size both bis AND tris are overwhelmed by the torso and delts in either shot, aside from the horrible shape.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Your "better" pic just confirmed that you don't know what you're talking about..his arm size bis AND tris are overwhelmed by the torso and delts in either shot, aside from the horrible shape.

Yawn ........stick to posting bad pics because your commentary leaves a lot to be desired . 

[pumpster]

Yawn ........stick to posting bad pics because your commentary leaves a lot to be desired .

Your pic sux

He keeps making the case for Coleman. Suddenly SUCKY seems coherent in comparison.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Your pic sux

He keeps making the case for Coleman.

Not quite .


Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Ronnie is comprable but Dorian has the edge.

[pumpster]

Quote from: pumpster on Today at 05:53:48 PM
Your pic sux

He keeps making the case for Coleman.



Not quite .


Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Ronnie is comprable but Dorian has the edge.

More legalese. Bottom line Yates' arms are a nightmare, especially attached to a barrel chest; Dickerson laughs at him.