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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8175 on: August 10, 2006, 03:35:50 PM »
More legalese. Bottom line Yates' arms are a nightmare, especially attached to a barrel chest; Dickerson laughs at him.

Good job go back to what you know the best and thats posting crummy pics lol whenever you attempt any sort of opinion you get exposed for what you are and thats clueless my friend .  ;)

" Ronnie can compensate size-wise for his gut " despite being 23 pounds lighter lol

" even at his worse Ronnie still dominates his competition " by winning by 3 points  ??? lol

" Arnold's muscles were fake " lol you and Hulkster are neck-and-neck in lunacy .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8176 on: August 10, 2006, 03:46:30 PM »
Good job go back to what you know the best and thats posting crummy pics lol whenever you attempt any sort of opinion you get exposed for what you are and thats clueless my friend .  ;)

" Ronnie can compensate size-wise for his gut " despite being 23 pounds lighter lol

" even at his worse Ronnie still dominates his competition " by winning by 3 points  ??? lol

" Arnold's muscles were fake " lol you and Hulkster are neck-and-neck in lunacy .

The first statement is actually correct.

Your referring to the 247lbs ASC 2001 coleman against the 270lbs 97 O Dorian right?

The reason ronnie compensates is because he has:

a - a smaller waist

b - greater quad flair

therefore c - greater overall taper

I wouldnt put too much emphasis on bodyweights

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8177 on: August 10, 2006, 03:56:58 PM »
The first statement is actually correct.

Your referring to the 247lbs ASC 2001 coleman against the 270lbs 97 O Dorian right?

The reason ronnie compensates is because he has:

a - a smaller waist

b - greater quad flair

therefore c - greater overall taper

I wouldnt put too much emphasis on bodyweights


Of course you wouldn't put much emphasis on bodyweight thats how you can to your stupid assesment .

a 247lb Ronnie Coleman does NOT have a size advantage on a 270lb Dorian Yates , it's really that simple.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8178 on: August 10, 2006, 03:58:44 PM »
Still waiting for ANY contest color pictorial proof from ND that does NOT show Yates dominated on back double-bi on both bis and tris. Still waiting ND...get out the IFBB rule book again and start "interpreting".. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8179 on: August 10, 2006, 04:00:06 PM »
Of course you wouldn't put much emphasis on bodyweight thats how you can to your stupid assesment .

a 247lb Ronnie Coleman does NOT have a size advantage on a 270lb Dorian Yates , it's really that simple.

You fail to grasp what is abundantly clear to the rest of us.

Are you actually refuting that coleman has a smaller waist and greater quad flair?

For the umppteenth time ND your back on this offensive.

Its getting boring chichi ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8180 on: August 10, 2006, 04:01:31 PM »
Still waiting for ANY pictorial proof from ND that does NOT show Yates dominated on back double-bi on both bis and tris. Still waiting ND...get out the IFBB rule book again and start "interpreting".. ;D

He's running scared.

Back lat spreads perhaps comparable.

No way on this earth is the rear double bicep pose. Ronnie edges yates out by a country mile.

Perhaps ND isnt from this earth

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8181 on: August 10, 2006, 04:03:25 PM »
Still waiting for ANY contest color pictorial proof from ND that does NOT show Yates dominated on back double-bi on both bis and tris. Still waiting ND...get out the IFBB rule book again and start "interpreting".. ;D

No one is claiming Dorian beats Ronnie in the biceps department in the back double biceps shot he's certainly has him covered in other aspects .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8182 on: August 10, 2006, 04:04:52 PM »
I agree ND, a 247 pound Ronnie is not as large, but please my friend, be reasonable.  You know as well as I that the 270 pound version of Dorian was an utter mess.  His best shape and that which I thought we were comparing to Ronnie is the 257 pounds he brought to table in 1993.  As much as I prefer Ronnie, Dorian was an animal that year.  No question he could have stood toe to toe with Ronnie at any bodyweight.  However, to compare Ronnie in 1998 and even 1999 to 1997 (the 270 pound Dorian) is foolish and a losing proposition.  You know it.  It is equivalent of comparing Ronnie 2002 to Dorian 1993.  Do you think that is a reasonable assessment?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8183 on: August 10, 2006, 04:06:01 PM »
No one is claiming Dorian beats Ronnie in the biceps department in the back double biceps shot he's certainly has him covered in other aspects .

Calves and lower back thickness/detail.

Thats it ND.

Delts, tris, hamstrings, glutes, upper back detail, more pleasing shape in these areas blah blah, we've been through this a million times

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8184 on: August 10, 2006, 04:07:27 PM »
You fail to grasp what is abundantly clear to the rest of us.

Are you actually refuting that coleman has a smaller waist and greater quad flair?

For the umppteenth time ND your back on this offensive.

Its getting boring chichi ;)

No he claimed that Ronnie could compensate ' size wise " for his gut to Dorian in 1997 and thats just fantasy , Dorian had a 23lb size advantage , how does one compensate in terms of size despite being that much lighter? its nonsense and you know it.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8185 on: August 10, 2006, 04:10:28 PM »
Fer crying it out loud its all illusion.

Size not mass.

His quads due to their flair (hell, theres probably more mass in them than yates) appear/ are big enough to counter the gut. Yates never had that.

When on earth will you stop taking everything literally. Do we have to spell it out for you?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8186 on: August 10, 2006, 04:11:44 PM »
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Calves and lower back thickness/detail.

Thats it ND.

Yates also dominates inner thigh "money" shots. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8187 on: August 10, 2006, 04:11:55 PM »
Calves and lower back thickness/detail.

Thats it ND.

Delts, tris, hamstrings, glutes, upper back detail, more pleasing shape in these areas blah blah, we've been through this a million times

You keep insisting that Ronnie is aesthetic , he's not ! and who are these parts ' more pleasing ' to? you? is that another magical edge you're trying to use? Dorian never won one single contest because his phsyique was aesthetic , those rules don't apply to him.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8188 on: August 10, 2006, 04:14:19 PM »
Fer crying it out loud its all illusion.

Size not mass.

His quads due to their flair (hell, theres probably more mass in them than yates) appear/ are big enough to counter the gut. Yates never had that.

When on earth will you stop taking everything literally. Do we have to spell it out for you?

Wow another Camp-Coleman gem lol size is NOT mass? lmfao no thats exactly what it is.  Ronnie's small joints and flaring quads may help with the illusion of size but make no mistake its still an illusion. come on chi-chi get with the program and come aboard for the big win .  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8189 on: August 10, 2006, 04:15:53 PM »
ND is in denial. Ronnie in 03 absolutely destroys Dorian in the rear double biceps.


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8190 on: August 10, 2006, 04:17:04 PM »
ND is in denial. Ronnie in 03 absolutely destroys Dorian in the rear double biceps.



Who said anything about Ronnie 2003?  ???

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8191 on: August 10, 2006, 04:20:45 PM »
my bad, I thought you said earlier Dorian's rear double biceps beats any version of Ronnie.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8192 on: August 10, 2006, 04:23:31 PM »
I agree ND, a 247 pound Ronnie is not as large, but please my friend, be reasonable.  You know as well as I that the 270 pound version of Dorian was an utter mess.  His best shape and that which I thought we were comparing to Ronnie is the 257 pounds he brought to table in 1993.  As much as I prefer Ronnie, Dorian was an animal that year.  No question he could have stood toe to toe with Ronnie at any bodyweight.  However, to compare Ronnie in 1998 and even 1999 to 1997 (the 270 pound Dorian) is foolish and a losing proposition.  You know it.  It is equivalent of comparing Ronnie 2002 to Dorian 1993.  Do you think that is a reasonable assessment?

I don't mean he was comprable in terms have having a better physique than Ronnie in 2001 ASC , again I think you missed the point that I personally felt he should have lost in 97 .

But pumpy said that Ronnie can compensate for the guy he had at the 2001 ASC size-wise VS a 270+ Dorian Yates just strictly speaking in terms of size ! and its laughable seriously .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8193 on: August 10, 2006, 04:24:18 PM »
my bad, I thought you said earlier Dorian's rear double biceps beats any version of Ronnie.

No I said it was comprable to Ronnie 98/99/01ASC .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8194 on: August 10, 2006, 04:50:52 PM »
Did it ever occur to you that he is mistaken too? I've already said its a common mistake.
Did it ever occur to you that he failed to mention the infraspinatus??[/The infraspinatus is  a larger muscle, and it is more prominent and visible, since its not hidden beneath the trapezius.
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  Ok, you son of a Manila port whore, this will be my last reply to you. Peter McGough is correct. FLEX has ample accredited PhDs to review the texts before they are published. If such a mistake had been made, the follwing issue of FLEX would contain a public apology for the error, and the technical correction would have been made. And surprise, the following issue of FLEX contained no such correction.

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Peter McGough is an editor. He is not a scientist. He is not an authority in academia.
His personal testimony may be relevant to the Dorian vs. Ronnie debate, but it is meaningless in this regard

  You are no scientist either! You are no professional anatomist, so shut the f**k up. Hs it ever occurred to you, turd, that Peter McGough has been to hundreds of contests and has the terminology nailed? He has done this a thousand times, so he wouldn't commit such mistake. You reluctance in posting the names and degrees of your professors goes to show you are afraid od being exposed for the fraud you are. You don't need to scan and post their diplomas, cun t, but you could tell exactly their names, where they graduated and the papers they have published, and how this relates to the discussion at hand. Coward.

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.You and Peter McGough, no offense, are laymen in relation to this subject.
You are Hoi polloi! (the common man).
I have received a formal education in the sciences.
More importantly, my instructors were Ph.D's with extensive education and research experience.
Lastly, my textbook was written by a collaboration of the leading authorities in the nation.

  Peter Mcgough knows a hell lot more about bodybuilding then you do, since this is his livelihood. You are an internet fan who has probbly never been to a contest, and who has never seen Ronnie in person. I have. You believe all the hye you see in the magazines exactly because you are ignorant about bodybuilding and how a bodybuilding contest is judged. Yeah, Coleman, in 2003, had great symmetry. ::) Yeah, "muscle maturity" is an official judging criteria. "Symmetry" is determined by the proportions between the left and right sides of the body. "density" is the amount of muscle per unit of area. Oh damn, if stupidity were a currency, you'd be the Federal Reserve.
I'll keep driving this point as long as you continue to refer to 3rd-person hearsay for support.



You can't see a bodybuilder's scapulae! There is simply too much muscle on top!

If you can't see their scapulae AT ALL, THEN you can't see the BOTTOM of the MEDIAL BORDER of the scapulae

If you can't see the bottom of the medial border, then you can't see the muscle that attaches to the the bottom of medial border. The muscle is more interior to the medial border.

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CASE CLOSED MOTHER-FUCKER!

  the case on your credibility and stupidity has just been open... ;)


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This mistake, however, demonstrates your lack of education in the bio-med sciences.
This is more than mere confusion, its ignorance ... and you are reluctant to admit it.
You hurt your credibility, and you know you did .. you'll try desperately to salvage any remnant.

  Funny how doctors of science in biology and medicine are not judges at bodybuilding contests.. ;)


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... and how is this relevant? I never claimed that you weren't wealthy.
Rather, I said that you are a piece of shit person, and I stand by that.

  And why should I cre what an adult man who still plays video-games thinks of me? You're a nerd, and not one of the smart ones.

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Mary J. Blige is rich and she reads at a 7th grade level. You two should get together.
You'd have a great deal in common.  ;)

  I'll take that under advicement. Too bad the people who take your advice, on medical issues, usually die. :-\

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... oh, but wait, you are a racist sack of shit who believes skin color, and not environmental circumstances, dictate a human being's intelligence.

  Oh, you're about to be owned brutally! Intelligence, like most human traits, is genetic in nature. The heritability of intelligence has been estimated, by Spearman, Hans Eysenck and others to be in the order of 80%. The lower intelligence of Blacks, when compred to Caucasians and especially to East Asians, has been repeatedly verified, both by I.Q tests as well as academic achievement. In his book, "I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations", Richard Lynn demonstrted that sub-Saharan Negroids have the lowest average I.Q of all rces of men, at around 60. This is, partially, te result of malnutrition. However, even when rised in Western societies, Blacks still score about a full standard-deviation below, on I.Q tests, than Caucasians of gentile descent. The Ashkenazi Jews score a bout a standard-deviation above the Caucasian average, with the East Asians, especially the Han Chinese, scoring in between the gentile Caucasians and the Ashkenazi Jews.

  How did these differences came about? Selective pressure. I mean, you are aware, you ignorant moron, of Darwin's theory of natural selection, aren't you? I mean, with your degrees in the biological sciences and all... ::) In any case, the ore cognitively demanding environment of the Caucasus mountains and especially around Lake Baikal - where the East Asians originated, forced the selection of the most intelligent: bluntly, the less intelligent perished and failed to pass on their genes. Here's literature which discusses the intelligence between races and how these differences came bout:

  The Bell Curve - Intelligence And Class Structure In American Life(Murray, Charles; Hernstein, Richard)
  I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations(Lynn, Richard; Vanaheim, Tatu)
  The G Factor(Spearman)
  I.Q Destribution Between Demographies(APA - American Psychological Association)

  You see, you dumb bitch, unlike you, I have no problems posting references for my assertions. And by the way, funny that you called me a racist, since you've posted, that the only reason why there are White bodybuilders competing at the pro level, is due to the Weiders wanting an ethnically diverse group of competitors. Join Poop in his conspiracy theories! Then, you mention that Blacks have genetically narrower hips than Caucasians. That is correct. And you know why, turd? Because White and Asian women give birth to babies with larger craniums, so their hips need to be wider! And the size of the cranium is related to the size of the brain, which correlates with intelligence at a factor of 0.6. You point out that Blacks are genetically superior to Whites when it comes to bodybuilding, then you have the gals to call me a racist for asserting that there are other points in which the races genetically differ. You hypocrite bitch! If the wide of the hips is a genetically mediated trait - and it is -, then other things are as well. You are as racist as I am for pointing out that there are genetic differences between the races, which arised as the result of selective pressures for survival in different environmental niches. Oh my, your biology is weak! ;) And thank me latter for being a better professor of biology thn the ones you had in college. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Ignorant turd.

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Boy do you throw a monkey wrench into that equation you ignorant f**k!

  Not as bad as saying, that ronnie's distended midsection, did not represent a liability in the symmetry round in 2003. That one was so stupid that any idiotic assertion I make is overshadowed by it. ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8195 on: August 10, 2006, 04:57:16 PM »
  You have barely a grade school education.  Your grammar is pathetic.  Your spelling is awful. 

  Oh, you must be kidding, right? This coming from a guy who never paragraphizes his posts or capitalizes his sentences, and who's punctuation is atrocious. The spelling mistakes I make are the result of my fast typing, you sophomoric turd. I don't even bother using the spell-checker because you morons don't deserve it. At least I bother to properly punctuate my sentences and pargraphizing my post, which is far more than can be said about you. I can not even fathom the amount of people you've killed by mispelling the names of pharmaceuticals when dispensing prescriptions. ;D :)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8196 on: August 10, 2006, 04:57:56 PM »
ND:
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No one is claiming Dorian beats Ronnie in the biceps department in the back double biceps shot he's certainly has him covered in other aspects .


More BS. Here's his claim from the preceeding page:
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This back double biceps from head to toe is very comprable.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8197 on: August 10, 2006, 05:03:56 PM »
You laughable dipshit with barely a high school education.  Flex gets PhD's to verify what their scribes write in reporting on a bodybuilding contest.  ::) ::) ::)  What a fucking assclown you are.  You think any self-respecting PhD would work for Flex...that is quite possibly the dumbest fucking think I have ever read on this board...that is a stretch dipshit as I argued the arteries or veins thread... ??? ??? ???.  You are absolutely the most delusional, uneducated and schizophrenic individual on this entire board.  You are so idiotic with your posts that it almost hurts to read them I am laughing so hard.  I am amazed that a turd like you has the knowledge to type, much less use a computer.  PhD's scan all of Flex's articles and verify their authenticity...HAHAHAHAHA.  Oh, I got to PM Praetor...this is fucking hilarious.  It hurts too much...got to go...LOLOLOLOL. 

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8198 on: August 10, 2006, 06:21:57 PM »
ND: do you think Dorian could beat Ronnie in this pose?



all ND sees here is calves.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #8199 on: August 10, 2006, 06:22:39 PM »
and weak forearms
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