Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[KTMckay]

 Ok, you son of a Manila port whore, this will be my last reply to you. Peter McGough is correct. FLEX has ample accredited PhDs to review the texts before they are published. If such a mistake had been made, the follwing issue of FLEX would contain a public apology for the error, and the technical correction would have been made. And surprise, the following issue of FLEX contained no such correction.

  You are no scientist either! You are no professional anatomist, so shut the f**k up. Hs it ever occurred to you, turd, that Peter McGough has been to hundreds of contests and has the terminology nailed? He has done this a thousand times, so he wouldn't commit such mistake. You reluctance in posting the names and degrees of your professors goes to show you are afraid od being exposed for the fraud you are. You don't need to scan and post their diplomas, cun t, but you could tell exactly their names, where they graduated and the papers they have published, and how this relates to the discussion at hand. Coward.

  Peter Mcgough knows a hell lot more about bodybuilding then you do, since this is his livelihood. You are an internet fan who has probbly never been to a contest, and who has never seen Ronnie in person. I have. You believe all the hye you see in the magazines exactly because you are ignorant about bodybuilding and how a bodybuilding contest is judged. Yeah, Coleman, in 2003, had great symmetry. Yeah, "muscle maturity" is an official judging criteria. "Symmetry" is determined by the proportions between the left and right sides of the body. "density" is the amount of muscle per unit of area. Oh damn, if stupidity were a currency, you'd be the Federal Reserve.
I'll keep driving this point as long as you continue to refer to 3rd-person hearsay for support.



You can't see a bodybuilder's scapulae! There is simply too much muscle on top!

If you can't see their scapulae AT ALL, THEN you can't see the BOTTOM of the MEDIAL BORDER of the scapulae

If you can't see the bottom of the medial border, then you can't see the muscle that attaches to the the bottom of medial border. The muscle is more interior to the medial border.

  the case on your credibility and stupidity has just been open...


  Funny how doctors of science in biology and medicine are not judges at bodybuilding contests..


  And why should I cre what an adult man who still plays video-games thinks of me? You're a nerd, and not one of the smart ones.

  I'll take that under advicement. Too bad the people who take your advice, on medical issues, usually die.

  Oh, you're about to be owned brutally! Intelligence, like most human traits, is genetic in nature. The heritability of intelligence has been estimated, by Spearman, Hans Eysenck and others to be in the order of 80%. The lower intelligence of Blacks, when compred to Caucasians and especially to East Asians, has been repeatedly verified, both by I.Q tests as well as academic achievement. In his book, "I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations", Richard Lynn demonstrted that sub-Saharan Negroids have the lowest average I.Q of all rces of men, at around 60. This is, partially, te result of malnutrition. However, even when rised in Western societies, Blacks still score about a full standard-deviation below, on I.Q tests, than Caucasians of gentile descent. The Ashkenazi Jews score a bout a standard-deviation above the Caucasian average, with the East Asians, especially the Han Chinese, scoring in between the gentile Caucasians and the Ashkenazi Jews.

  How did these differences came about? Selective pressure. I mean, you are aware, you ignorant moron, of Darwin's theory of natural selection, aren't you? I mean, with your degrees in the biological sciences and all... In any case, the ore cognitively demanding environment of the Caucasus mountains and especially around Lake Baikal - where the East Asians originated, forced the selection of the most intelligent: bluntly, the less intelligent perished and failed to pass on their genes. Here's literature which discusses the intelligence between races and how these differences came bout:

  The Bell Curve - Intelligence And Class Structure In American Life(Murray, Charles; Hernstein, Richard)
  I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations(Lynn, Richard; Vanaheim, Tatu)
  The G Factor(Spearman)
  I.Q Destribution Between Demographies(APA - American Psychological Association)

  You see, you dumb bitch, unlike you, I have no problems posting references for my assertions. And by the way, funny that you called me a racist, since you've posted, that the only reason why there are White bodybuilders competing at the pro level, is due to the Weiders wanting an ethnically diverse group of competitors. Join Poop in his conspiracy theories! Then, you mention that Blacks have genetically narrower hips than Caucasians. That is correct. And you know why, turd? Because White and Asian women give birth to babies with larger craniums, so their hips need to be wider! And the size of the cranium is related to the size of the brain, which correlates with intelligence at a factor of 0.6. You point out that Blacks are genetically superior to Whites when it comes to bodybuilding, then you have the gals to call me a racist for asserting that there are other points in which the races genetically differ. You hypocrite bitch! If the wide of the hips is a genetically mediated trait - and it is -, then other things are as well. You are as racist as I am for pointing out that there are genetic differences between the races, which arised as the result of selective pressures for survival in different environmental niches. Oh my, your biology is weak! And thank me latter for being a better professor of biology thn the ones you had in college. Ignorant turd.

  Not as bad as saying, that ronnie's distended midsection, did not represent a liability in the symmetry round in 2003. That one was so stupid that any idiotic assertion I make is overshadowed by it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

"praetor" (monster faggotry.) got owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwne d.

[FREAKgeek]

Ronnie had weak forearms in 2003?  lol!  ok I've heard it all. 

That's because when you think Dorian Yates is the greatest thing ever like ND does, the forearms and calves will appear huge because of the shitty upper arms and quadriceps.

[2lift]

I just finished reading all 333 pages, it only took a year.  I am now convinced .....


Frank Zane beats them both.

[Praetor Fenix]

Ok, you son of a Manila port whore, this will be my last reply to you. Peter McGough is correct.

PETER MCGOUGH IS WRONG.

OPEN A PEER-REVIEWED ANATOMY TEXTBOOK, TALK TO ANY PHD OR DOCTORAL CANDIDATE IN AN ANATOMY LAB, AND THEY WILL INFORM YOU OF THE INEVITABLE ANSWER THAT HAS BEEN KNOWN FOR CENTURIES- THE RHOMBOIDS ARE NOT VISIBLE.

I DOESN'T MATTER WHAT AN OBESE MAGAZINE EDITOR WITH NO EDUCATION IN THE BIO-MED SCIENCES BELIEVES HE SEES. FACT OF THE MATTER IS, HE MISTOOK THE INFRASPINATUS FOR THE RHOMBOIDS.

FLEX has ample accredited PhDs to review the texts before they are published. If such a mistake had been made, the follwing issue of FLEX would contain a public apology for the error, and the technical correction would have been made. And surprise, the following issue of FLEX contained no such correction.

Flex is a commercial publication.
It is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal or periodical.

Flex is written for the common idiot like yourself.
They aren't concerned with perfect scientific accuracy in relation to the minutiae.
They are concerned with selling magazines and earning profit.

Accredited PhD's that review that text? What are you talking about!?
- Flex has 1 PhD that I know of, Jim Stoppani, who contributes articles in the Nutrition column. Look up the Advanced Nutrition segment, he wrote Pump Up Your Dhea Levels and Go Red For Recovery in the recent issue.
He IS NOT a PhD is ANATOMY nor is he a PhD is PHYSIOLOGY, so he is irrelevant.

A PHD IN A SEPARATE FIELD OF ACADEMIA DOESN'T MATTER IN THIS CONTEXT!

- Jim Stoppani contributes science articles. He is NOT RESPONSIBLE for reviewing or editing the contest coverage articles. That is entirely out of the realm of his expertise, and consequently, outside of his jurisdiction. Peter McGough is the CHIEF EDITOR. He is responsible for revising and editing his own work. No board of PhDs gives him assistance in this endeavor.

YOU ARE MAKING THIS UP ENTIRELY! JUST STOP IT ALREADY!
YOU KNOW ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN RELATION TO THIS SUBJECT. STOP PRETENDING TO.

This is by far your most delusional argument yet.

[Praetor Fenix]

You are no scientist either! You are no professional anatomist, so shut the f**k up.

Idiot. You just don't get it, do you?

1) I have a degree in the bio-med sciences - I was a double major.
2) I've performed independent & supervised research at the undergraduate and graduate level.

Granted, I am not a scientist in the sense that I am not currently paid to do research.
However, you fail to grasp, AGAIN, how completely irrelevant your statement is.

It doesn't matter whether or not I am the certified doctorate.
What matters is, I received instruction from two nationally-reknowned PhD's
(PhD's from the University of Tennessee & Cornell University, respectively).
I diligently studied peer-reviewed textbooks and periodicals written by a collaboration of some of the leading authorities in the world. I'm merely relating a very simple fact that these scholars can attest to. I didn't discover it, its been known for centuries and verified by every bio-med professional on the planet. Its very simple.

Not to mention I have far more education in the biomed sciences than you or McGough ever will.

I don't care if you have 3 degrees, obviously none of them pertain to this subject matter.
The next time I make a stupid mistake, and it pertains to your field of expertise, I invite you to correct me. Until then, f.uck off.

Has it ever occurred to you, turd, that Peter McGough has been to hundreds of contests and has the terminology nailed? He has done this a thousand times, so he wouldn't commit such mistake.

- It has occured to me that Peter McGough has NO EDUCATION in the bio-med sciences.

- It has occured to me that observing bodybuilding contests IS NOT educational and has NOTHING to do with intelligence.

- It has occured to me that while Peter McGough spent countless hours at hundreds of contests, I spent countless hours in an anatomy lab pouring over illustrations, models, and a cadaver. Oh, not to mention the frequent discussions with my laboratory instructor and lecture professor.

- It has occured to me that his observations and terminology cannot be reconciled with the science supported by the nation's real authorities in anatomy & physiology.

- It has occured to me that Peter McGough is human and perfectly capable of making a mistake.
A mistake that is an exceedingly common misconception among the laymen, by the way.

Tell me suckmymuscle, is every science department in every university across the world wrong?

You reluctance in posting the names and degrees of your professors goes to show you are afraid of being exposed for the fraud you are. You don't need to scan and post their diplomas, cun t, but you could tell exactly their names, where they graduated and the papers they have published, and how this relates to the discussion at hand. Coward.

1) You have threatened members in this forum with bodily harm.
Under no circumstance whatsoever would I reveal a confidant's information to you.

2) You are a nobody. I'm not obliged to go out of my way to reference an old fact to you.
This factual information is readily available in a variety of settings, and you know it is.

3) You would have absolutely nothing useful to do with a real name & degree.
You aren't interested in ascertaining the truth. You're not concerned with the clarification.
You would use them to either slander me or pull some sort of malicious prank.

4) Refer to #2, as I feel it is important.

5) To be perfectly honest, I respect my professors. You are nothing but a time drain.
I would like to spare them the time and indignity of actually having to interact with you.
They are important people with an itinerary, unlike you.
They would have no business consorting with an anonymous loser ignorant in the sciences.

I don't need to cite specific names and degrees.
EVERY PROFESSOR OF ANATOMY ACROSS THE COUNTRY WILL CONCUR WITH MY ASSESSMENT.

Seriously, you come across as a sad little insecure man.
Why would I give you the opportunity to interfere in my life or those I respect?
You already waste enough of my time in this setting as is.

(Bedtime. Responses to the remainder coming later tomorrow)

[nicorulez]

"praetor" (monster faggotry.) got owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwne d.

I am corrected, KTMckay is officially the biggest dipshit on this board.  Any reasonable person would read that thread and see that it reeks of BS.  You, however, are probably as educated as the average rock and appreciate such candor as Sucky can supply.  Regardless, it is enjoyable to come on a board where Neanderthals such as you and Sucky can take the art of foolishness to a whole different planet.  You have owned yourself for being such an imbecile.

[delta9mda]

  Ok, you son of a Manila port whore, this will be my last reply to you. Peter McGough is correct. FLEX has ample accredited PhDs to review the texts before they are published. If such a mistake had been made, the follwing issue of FLEX would contain a public apology for the error, and the technical correction would have been made. And surprise, the following issue of FLEX contained no such correction.

  You are no scientist either! You are no professional anatomist, so shut the f**k up. Hs it ever occurred to you, turd, that Peter McGough has been to hundreds of contests and has the terminology nailed? He has done this a thousand times, so he wouldn't commit such mistake. You reluctance in posting the names and degrees of your professors goes to show you are afraid od being exposed for the fraud you are. You don't need to scan and post their diplomas, cun t, but you could tell exactly their names, where they graduated and the papers they have published, and how this relates to the discussion at hand. Coward.

  Peter Mcgough knows a hell lot more about bodybuilding then you do, since this is his livelihood. You are an internet fan who has probbly never been to a contest, and who has never seen Ronnie in person. I have. You believe all the hye you see in the magazines exactly because you are ignorant about bodybuilding and how a bodybuilding contest is judged. Yeah, Coleman, in 2003, had great symmetry. Yeah, "muscle maturity" is an official judging criteria. "Symmetry" is determined by the proportions between the left and right sides of the body. "density" is the amount of muscle per unit of area. Oh damn, if stupidity were a currency, you'd be the Federal Reserve.
I'll keep driving this point as long as you continue to refer to 3rd-person hearsay for support.



You can't see a bodybuilder's scapulae! There is simply too much muscle on top!

If you can't see their scapulae AT ALL, THEN you can't see the BOTTOM of the MEDIAL BORDER of the scapulae

If you can't see the bottom of the medial border, then you can't see the muscle that attaches to the the bottom of medial border. The muscle is more interior to the medial border.

  the case on your credibility and stupidity has just been open...


  Funny how doctors of science in biology and medicine are not judges at bodybuilding contests..


  And why should I cre what an adult man who still plays video-games thinks of me? You're a nerd, and not one of the smart ones.

  I'll take that under advicement. Too bad the people who take your advice, on medical issues, usually die.

  Oh, you're about to be owned brutally! Intelligence, like most human traits, is genetic in nature. The heritability of intelligence has been estimated, by Spearman, Hans Eysenck and others to be in the order of 80%. The lower intelligence of Blacks, when compred to Caucasians and especially to East Asians, has been repeatedly verified, both by I.Q tests as well as academic achievement. In his book, "I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations", Richard Lynn demonstrted that sub-Saharan Negroids have the lowest average I.Q of all rces of men, at around 60. This is, partially, te result of malnutrition. However, even when rised in Western societies, Blacks still score about a full standard-deviation below, on I.Q tests, than Caucasians of gentile descent. The Ashkenazi Jews score a bout a standard-deviation above the Caucasian average, with the East Asians, especially the Han Chinese, scoring in between the gentile Caucasians and the Ashkenazi Jews.

  How did these differences came about? Selective pressure. I mean, you are aware, you ignorant moron, of Darwin's theory of natural selection, aren't you? I mean, with your degrees in the biological sciences and all... In any case, the ore cognitively demanding environment of the Caucasus mountains and especially around Lake Baikal - where the East Asians originated, forced the selection of the most intelligent: bluntly, the less intelligent perished and failed to pass on their genes. Here's literature which discusses the intelligence between races and how these differences came bout:

  The Bell Curve - Intelligence And Class Structure In American Life(Murray, Charles; Hernstein, Richard)
  I.Q And The Wealth Of Nations(Lynn, Richard; Vanaheim, Tatu)
  The G Factor(Spearman)
  I.Q Destribution Between Demographies(APA - American Psychological Association)

  You see, you dumb bitch, unlike you, I have no problems posting references for my assertions. And by the way, funny that you called me a racist, since you've posted, that the only reason why there are White bodybuilders competing at the pro level, is due to the Weiders wanting an ethnically diverse group of competitors. Join Poop in his conspiracy theories! Then, you mention that Blacks have genetically narrower hips than Caucasians. That is correct. And you know why, turd? Because White and Asian women give birth to babies with larger craniums, so their hips need to be wider! And the size of the cranium is related to the size of the brain, which correlates with intelligence at a factor of 0.6. You point out that Blacks are genetically superior to Whites when it comes to bodybuilding, then you have the gals to call me a racist for asserting that there are other points in which the races genetically differ. You hypocrite bitch! If the wide of the hips is a genetically mediated trait - and it is -, then other things are as well. You are as racist as I am for pointing out that there are genetic differences between the races, which arised as the result of selective pressures for survival in different environmental niches. Oh my, your biology is weak! And thank me latter for being a better professor of biology thn the ones you had in college. Ignorant turd.

  Not as bad as saying, that ronnie's distended midsection, did not represent a liability in the symmetry round in 2003. That one was so stupid that any idiotic assertion I make is overshadowed by it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

freaking owned like a phd!!!!

[delta9mda]

all ND sees here is calves.

i see a lack of calves

[FREAKgeek]

i see a lack of calves

that's what I meant

[pumpster]

Quote
FLEX has ample accredited PhDs to review the texts before they are published. If such a mistake had been made, the follwing issue of FLEX would contain a public apology for the error, and the technical correction would have been made. And surprise, the following issue of FLEX contained no such correction.

Flex is a commercial publication.
It is not a peer-reviewed scientific journal or periodical.

No, no, no you don't understand. ND and SUCKY consider Flex the bible along with stalwarts like Iron Age and the IFBB and follow their directives like Hari Krishnas. Kindly disgard those pesky medical journals and follow ND's lead.

[suckmymuscle]

You laughable dipshit with barely a high school education.  Flex gets PhD's to verify what their scribes write in reporting on a bodybuilding contest.    What a fucking assclown you are.  You think any self-respecting PhD would work for Flex

 
  Well, let's see:

  Jim Stoppani PhD.
  Jim Wright - holds degree in the sciences.
  Steve Stiefel - B.A in the sciences.

  So, I was wrong: there might be only one full-fledged PhD working for FLEX...but several guys with degrees in the biological sciences. Once again, you get brutally sodomized by yours truly.

...that is quite possibly the dumbest fucking think I have ever read on this board...that is a stretch dipshit as I argued the arteries or veins thread... .  You are absolutely the most delusional, uneducated and schizophrenic individual on this entire board.  You are so idiotic with your posts that it almost hurts to read them

  And yet, you keep reading them. From my eperience, when someone finds a book/article/dissertation truly uninteresting, they simply stop reading.

  Oh, I got to PM Praetor...this is fucking hilarious.  It hurts too much...got to go...LOLOLOLOL. 

  That's because you're unable to fight your own battles, so you have to call your man to fight them for you. Although, in this case, I'm not sure who's the man. I mean, who wears the pants in a homosexual relationship...?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[IceCold]

Wow Good job posting a fair & accurate comparision  why do you fear posting a great pic of Dorian? because you know your point is null & void if you do so.

This back double biceps from head to toe is very comprable.

that shot, minus the bicpes does beat coleman.  coleman has no where near that level of seperation AND hardness.

[pumpster]

that shot, minus the bicpes does beat coleman.  coleman has no where near that level of seperation AND hardness.

Rampant BS - he continues to try to distort reality by selectively leaving out most attributes that don't favor Yates - "little details" like Yates' absence of biceps in a shot called "back double-biceps"! Idiotic. All because those other pesky "details" that don't support his frail argument. Instead he obsesses only on hardness & separation, as if they're the only criteria. He's obviously never noticed that I've given Yates full credit for both from page 1, both those are only two considerations. 

Coleman looks damn "hard" here BTW, besides demolishing Yates on every other aspect & overall. 

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie kills Dorian in back thickness in that shot. Ronnie's whole back has depth to it. His lats even cast a shadow over his erector spinae. In comparison, Dorian's back looks flat.

[Praetor Fenix]

 
  Well, let's see:

  Jim Stoppani PhD.
  Jim Wright - holds degree in the sciences.
  Steve Stiefel - B.A in the sciences.

  So, I was wrong: there might be only one full-fledged PhD working for FLEX...but several guys with degrees in the biological sciences. Once again, you get brutally sodomized by yours truly.

What makes you think that Jim Stoppani is responsible for proof-reading every article in the magazine though!? Or any of them, for that matter.

I would be more sympathetic to your argument if the mistake took place in a nutrition article, the only portion of the magazine that Stoppani ever contributes to. However, the fact that the mistake was made in a contest coverage write-up goes to show that it was entirely outside of Stoppani's realm.

He is a PhD. His time and labor will command a high price.
It is completely cost-ineffective to have such an expert in nutrition (not anatomy) proofread, revise, and edit every single article in the magazine.

You think Pecker and AMI would be willing to pay him for his manhours to simply pour over non-scientific text, when a far less qualified candidate (who subsequently demands a much smaller salary) could? Of course not, its not practical - its counterproductive and its too expensive.

Lastly, a B.A (Bachelor of ARTS) is not the same as a B.S, not by a long shot.
So lets cross out Stiefel, I am more qualified than he is to assess the muscularity of the back.

Jim Wright. A degree in the sciences? That is too vague.
He could have a degree in physical therapy, exercise science, psychology, etc.
There are several science degrees a student can obtain that completely bypass all of the core anatomy and physiology courses.

I am at least as equally qualified as Jim Wright, but possibly more-so depending on his specific major and program.

And yet, you keep reading them. From my experience, when someone finds a book/article/dissertation truly uninteresting, they simply stop reading.

Well, you attack our intelligence and integrity. Of course we are going to defend ourselves.

LOL I love how you threw "dissertation" in there. How many have you read in your lifetime??
Are you on a board that reviews the submissions of doctoral candidates? Get real!

That's because you're unable to fight your own battles, so you have to call your man to fight them for you. Although, in this case, I'm not sure who's the man. I mean, who wears the pants in a homosexual relationship...?

This coming from the guy who is in constant correspondence with ND via PM.
"ND warned me to ignore your posts." "ND pleaded with me to not leave the thread." etc. etc.

Don't throw stones when you live in a glass house, mmmKay? 

Difference is, ND is well aware of where to draw the line. Some of your remarks are too much.

May I remind you, it was YOU who first insulted me, it was YOU who turned this thread sour.
It was originally a lighthearted debate, a mere disagreement between friendly rivals, but YOU took it to a personal level and it was entirely unnecessary to do so.

[Praetor Fenix]

Peter Mcgough knows a hell lot more about bodybuilding then you do, since this is his livelihood.

Agree 100%. Peter McGough knows more about bodybuilding than I do. BODYBUILDING
Does he know more about anatomy & physiology than I do? Absolutely not!

Besides, bodybuilding is entirely subjective as it is.
He has more contest history information retained in his memory.
A larger archive of professionals past and present.

Beyond that, it comes to down to a difference in taste and opinion.
Watching 0 contests as opposed to 100 as opposed to 1000 makes little difference in this regard.

Ultimately, the only opinions that matter belong to the judging panel.
Peter McGough's opinion on Dorian is as worthless as my opinion is on Ronnie.
ALL OF OUR OPINIONS in this thread ARE ABSOLUTELY, UTTERLY WORTHLESS.

Sadly, for you in this case, the rhomboids are are not visible and this is a statement of fact.
IT CANNOT BE REFUTED ... and no amount of bodybuilding experience can alter scientific fact.

You are an internet fan who has probbly never been to a contest, and who has never seen Ronnie in person. I have. You believe all the hype you see in the magazines exactly because you are ignorant about bodybuilding and how a bodybuilding contest is judged. Yeah, Coleman, in 2003, had great symmetry. Yeah, "muscle maturity" is an official judging criteria. "Symmetry" is determined by the proportions between the left and right sides of the body. "density" is the amount of muscle per unit of area. Oh damn, if stupidity were a currency, you'd be the Federal Reserve.

As I said, I have grown tired of this debate.
I came back not to discuss this with you again for an additional 200 pages, but rather to correct your simple anatomical misunderstanding. That is all.

I still stand by EVERY argument I presented in this thread hundreds of pages ago.
However, I don't care to rehash them or to formulate any more arguments on this subject.
Particularly after witnessing just how delusional and fictitious you truly are.

Why would I be willing to waste time debating a contentious, subjective subject with you when you are perfectly comfortable refuting a very old, very basic scientific fact??

I used to respect your opinion, and although I disagreed and believed you were off at times, I truly thought that you were an honest, objective debater. That said, after refusing to acknowledge basic scientific fact in light of your mistake, its quite clear that you are perfectly willing to skew any fact/figure in your favor.

ND is perfectly capable of presenting a compelling argument without lying. Why can't you?

[Necrosis]

ND is perfectly capable of presenting a compelling argument without lying. Why can't you?

because his has a flare for mexican man meat.

[KTMckay]

I am corrected, KTMckay is officially the biggest dipshit on this board.  Any reasonable person would read that thread and see that it reeks of BS.  You, however, are probably as educated as the average rock and appreciate such candor as Sucky can supply.  Regardless, it is enjoyable to come on a board where Neanderthals such as you and Sucky can take the art of foolishness to a whole different planet.  You have owned yourself for being such an imbecile.

your a nerd shut the fck up and dopnt reply to anything i post. i bet your a virgin huh... go masturbate and calm down pu$sy.

[Mussolini]

 
  Well, let's see:

  Jim Stoppani PhD.
  Jim Wright - holds degree in the sciences.
  Steve Stiefel - B.A in the sciences.

  So, I was wrong: there might be only one full-fledged PhD working for FLEX...but several guys with degrees in the biological sciences. Once again, you get brutally sodomized by yours truly.

  And yet, you keep reading them. From my eperience, when someone finds a book/article/dissertation truly uninteresting, they simply stop reading.

  That's because you're unable to fight your own battles, so you have to call your man to fight them for you. Although, in this case, I'm not sure who's the man. I mean, who wears the pants in a homosexual relationship...?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Brutal Ownage by Suckmymuscle.

[Praetor Fenix]

Who are these random fa.ggots that keep dropping by?

No doubt recruited by suckmymuscle himself to lend a few positive words of support and encouragement. Seriously, you two have never posted in the thread before and you haven't participated in the debate previously.

Obviously you haven't read my responses either.
Typical sycophantic post-whores.

[IceCold]

Rampant BS - he continues to try to distort reality by selectively leaving out most attributes that don't favor Yates - "little details" like Yates' absence of biceps in a shot called "back double-biceps"! Idiotic. All because those other pesky "details" that don't support his frail argument. Instead he obsesses only on hardness & separation, as if they're the only criteria. He's obviously never noticed that I've given Yates full credit for both from page 1, both those are only two considerations. 

Coleman looks damn "hard" here BTW, besides demolishing Yates on every other aspect & overall. 

doestn look like you can read.  i said that about the biceps.  that's pretty obvious. 

you think ronnie destroys dorian, and i think its the other way around.  you state it like its a fact, when it isnt. 

demloshing yates on every level?  where and how so?  not in calves, hardness, or seperation, or even overall size.  those pics are from the 99 grand prix.  ronnie was 260.

[pobrecito]

Ronnie kills Dorian in back thickness in that shot. Ronnie's whole back has depth to it. His lats even cast a shadow over his erector spinae. In comparison, Dorian's back looks flat.

Dorian's back here is so much harder than Ronnie it's not even funny. By comparison, Ronnie's back looks puffy and watery. Dorian's back looks like the skin is shrink wrapped to the muscle.

[pumpster]

I've always said Yates' back was harder. Unfortunately, he's also hugely flawed and has virtually no cuts or size in front arm shots, so that density's squandered. Sorry to interupt your fawning, continue..

[delta9mda]

Ronnie kills Dorian in back thickness in that shot. Ronnie's whole back has depth to it. His lats even cast a shadow over his erector spinae. In comparison, Dorian's back looks flat.

you are tripping! yates has shadows under his lats too. remember i think that above ronnie pic is from the brit gp or the gp in holland that yates promoted and i wonder who made sure the lighting was as good as it was for that show? 

[pumpster]

doestn look like you can read.  i said that about the biceps.  that's pretty obvious. 

you think ronnie destroys dorian, and i think its the other way around.  you state it like its a fact, when it isnt. 

, or even overall size.  those pics are from the 99 grand prix.  ronnie was 260.

You're perfectly willing to join the cognitively-challenged; be my guest. I'll say it again: trying seeing the big picture for a change vs. just the positive attributes you like: biceps are fundamental to back double-bi. Having mediocre bis is a good hint to everyone except you apparently that he can never win that pose with mediocre bis! 1-2-3...DUH!

demloshing yates on every level?  where and how so?  not in calves, hardness, or seperation

He keeps brining up calves and hardness when calves don't help Yates with serious upper-body deficiencies whatsoever, and when hardness by itself does *not* compensate for lack of arm size relative to torso and legs, to Yates comparative lack of frontal arm cuts and vascularity vs. Coleman, to Yates lack of aesthetics, to Yates lack of shape, etc., etc., etc. Wake up. Stop drooling over Yates long enough to finally accept that your assessments are those of a groupie and lack balanced perspectives.


Yet another reminder of lame-ass arms and how they ruin any chance for him to win that pose..density and hardness do *not* compensate for many other problems he always had. Besides which, Coleman at his very best was not terribly far off re: hardness but coupled that with far more size, shape, cuts, vascularity, etc.