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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9000 on: September 16, 2006, 10:24:35 AM »
Yates has a bigger head though.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9001 on: September 16, 2006, 10:25:34 AM »
Ronnie has a bigger penis.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9002 on: September 16, 2006, 10:33:00 AM »
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« Reply #9003 on: September 16, 2006, 10:36:32 AM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9004 on: September 16, 2006, 12:23:18 PM »
Here Hulkster, I found this one just for you!  :-X

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9005 on: September 16, 2006, 12:26:39 PM »
Water...? Or something worse?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9006 on: September 16, 2006, 12:29:55 PM »

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9007 on: September 16, 2006, 12:41:38 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9008 on: September 16, 2006, 04:08:11 PM »
pumpster,

           why do you post pics from dorian's photoshoots vs. coleman on stage?

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9009 on: September 16, 2006, 04:12:28 PM »
IceCold, I agree that Dorian in 1993 looked incredible.  However, I tend to agree with Neo that a 2003 Ronnie would be too much for Dorian to overcome.  He would have to show up at 275 pounds at least in the conditioning he displayed in 1993 to even have a shot.  Ronnie has the edge in muscularity, taper, vascularity, aesthetics and striations.  Dorian is denser, but that is really debateable when you see Coleman up close. He is brutally huge and cut.



i also agree with some of that.  i never said that dorian would totally beat coleman.  if anything the only version that would be dorian would be 03, but i still think it would be close.  that's all i ever claimed.  hulkster and pumpster make it sound like its ronnie vs. shari kamail when dorian's name is brought up for comparisons.  all i've ever said is that it would be a great battle and the only person who could beat ronnie would be dorian's best and the only person who would be dorian would be coleman in 03.  possibly in 99, but i dont think coleman has enough to edge him out.  either way it would be very close.

it was close between flex and ronnie.  flex competed at his best in 93, and dorian COMPLETELY dominanted him.  the consensus was that if flex showed up in 98 and 99 in his 93 form even with ronnie looking like he did in 98 and 99, he would have won the Olympia. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9010 on: September 16, 2006, 04:25:30 PM »
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it was close between flex and ronnie.  flex competed at his best in 93, and dorian COMPLETELY dominanted him.  the consensus was that if flex showed up in 98 and 99 in his 93 form even with ronnie looking like he did in 98 and 99, he would have won the Olympia. 
What concensus?  Wheeler never had the physical size, and was lacking a few structural ingredients Coleman doesn't, so no, you can't extrapolate using Wheeler that it would be close.

That's aside from the politics of it-Wheeler & Levrone in my mind did in fact beat Yates.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9011 on: September 16, 2006, 04:43:11 PM »
pumpster,

first you say how yates and haney were 'tier b' olympians.

now you are saying that flex doesnt have a good structure.

where do you come up with this stuff?
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9012 on: September 16, 2006, 04:47:34 PM »
What concensus?  Wheeler never had the physical size, and was lacking a few structural ingredients Coleman doesn't, so no, you can't extrapolate using Wheeler that it would be close.

That's aside from the politics of it-Wheeler & Levrone in my mind did in fact beat Yates.

stop using big words like 'extrapolate' to make it seem like you know what you're talking about. 
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9013 on: September 16, 2006, 05:30:14 PM »
I have said it before and I will say it again:

I do not think that even Dorian 93 would fair well against peak ronnie.

why?

because all of the advantages that enable dorian to dominate would be GONE.

he would not be wider

he would not be bigger

he would (and never was) as shapely

And he was never as detailed.

He beat guys who had better detail and individual muscle shape because he was bigger physically and had more width.

He did not win because of quality

In ronnie, he would face the effective combo of size, shape width AND detail, a combo he never faced before except in Lee Haney.

and he lost the contest to him.


Ronnie 99 would do the exact same thing to Yates that Haney did, for many of the same reasons.....



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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9014 on: September 16, 2006, 05:33:19 PM »
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stop using big words like 'extrapolate' to make it seem like you know what you're talking about.
That's a big word?  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9015 on: September 16, 2006, 05:39:23 PM »
it is in grade 6! 8)
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« Reply #9016 on: September 16, 2006, 09:54:49 PM »
Ha ha ha, excuses why Dorian's triceps only looked good in the side triceps. Ronnie's triceps look good in every mandatory pose.

  Dorian's triceps were thicker, denser and more striated than that of the 1998 and 1999 Olympia Ronnies. To make it even worse for you and your sophomori arguments, Dorian's triceps are also genetically superior to Ronnie's, since they insert lower in the tendom - the same reason why Ronnie's biceps are superior to Dorian's.

  If you're talking about the 2003 Ronnie, then his triceps are just as thick a Dorian's - most of his arm size were biceps, so the difference in triceps mass was not that great. Ronnie's triceps might have been slightly bigger than Dorian's in 2003, but Coleman lost even more striations when compared to his 1998/9 forms. To make it even worse foryou case, Ronnie's gut distension is clearly visible in the side triceps shot you posted, and that flat out ruins the pose overrall, especially when compared to Dorian who had a flat stomach with visible serratus in that shot. ;)

  The triceps are not called into play and re not that relevant in any pose except the side triceps mandatory: it is here that triceps are judged on their own, and the bottom line is that Dorian takes it. I don't see how the triceps,in themselves,are relevant in mandatories like the abs-and-thighs, the rear lat spread, etc, but just to makeyou shut once and for all, I'll post some pics of Dorian doing mandatories where his triceps are clearly massive. Again, you lose. ;D ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9017 on: September 16, 2006, 10:00:56 PM »
Stare until you comprehend the difference SUCKY. Yates has smallish arms, bis AND tris,

  And yet, he defeated your boy both in the side triceps and the back double biceps, each and every single time they competed against each other. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9018 on: September 16, 2006, 10:03:19 PM »
please post it again - cause I have never seen any back double bi of Yates thas shows triceps that look better than Ronnie's:

  No problem. Here's Ronnie getting some massive anal pounding from Dozer, in one of Coleman's signture shots... ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9019 on: September 16, 2006, 10:11:08 PM »
Ronnie's triceps were just as large as Dorian's and had striations. Dorian never had striated triceps.

  Sorry, sport, but you have just completely lost credibility. Dorian's triceps were always far more striated than Ronnie's. Not even in the same league. Do you see those little cross-lines on Dorian's triceps in this pic, dumbass? Those are called striations. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9020 on: September 16, 2006, 10:20:32 PM »
What concensus?  Wheeler never had the physical size, and was lacking a few structural ingredients Coleman doesn't, so no, you can't extrapolate using Wheeler that it would be close.

That's aside from the politics of it-Wheeler & Levrone in my mind did in fact beat Yates.

  Bullshit. Levrone went into the 1995 Olympia in the best shape of his life and got flat out destroyed by Dorian: Kevin, himself, admitted Dorian was the deserving winner. Levrone never had the back and chest development to compete with Dorian, and Dorian's density was on a whole other level. Also, even though Dorian outweighed Levrone, he still had a better midsection, with even more defined abs and serratus - not a small feat, 'cause Kevin's midsetion was superb.

  As for Wheeler: apples and oranges. Flex had better taper and midsetion, but that was it. Of course, his classical proportions were beautiful. But Wheeler's back, delts, thighs and chest were simply too small to compare to Dorian's. I do think that Wheeler could have defeated Dorian, but it is a matter of preference. Regardless, Flex conditioning - especially in his lower back, glutes and hamstrings -, were always pathetic, so he couldn't put it together against Dorian, the King of conditioning. He was at his best at the 1993 ASC and the 1998 Olympia conditioning-wise, but it was still not good enough.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9021 on: September 16, 2006, 11:21:00 PM »
Dorian's triceps were thicker, denser and more striated than that of the 1998 and 1999 Olympia Ronnies. To make it even worse for you and your sophomori arguments, Dorian's triceps are also genetically superior to Ronnie's, since they insert lower in the tendom - the same reason why Ronnie's biceps are superior to Dorian's.

Perhaps, but Ronnie's triceps in 03 were bigger and more striated than Dorian's. You keep forgetting the triceps are composed of 3 muscles: the lateral, medial, and long heads. Ronnie destroyed Dorian in the medial and long heads. This is evident in any mandatory pose. Ronnie's triceps looked like hanging slabs of muscle from his upper arm while Dorian's looked smooth and flat. The only part of the triceps where Dorian might beat Ronnie is the lateral head. However, it comes down to personal preference. Dorian's lateral head is thicker but shorter. Ronnie's lateral head is longer and striated but not as thick. Furthermore, Ronnie's triceps had better separation between all heads.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9022 on: September 17, 2006, 05:23:14 AM »
Ronnie's early physique reminds me a lot of Dorian's. Big overpowering legs and calves.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9023 on: September 17, 2006, 11:32:24 AM »
LOL@overpowering calves..not in Ronnie.

arms in the early days yes.

 And as far as calves go for Yates, for most of his career (especially in the early and late parts) he had calves that literally overpowered his arms..


and ND had the nerve to say he was "better balanced from head to toe" than Ronnie. Yeah, right. ::)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9024 on: September 17, 2006, 05:09:15 PM »
  Bullshit. Levrone went into the 1995 Olympia in the best shape of his life and got flat out destroyed by Dorian: Kevin, himself, admitted Dorian was the deserving winner. Levrone never had the back and chest development to compete with Dorian, and Dorian's density was on a whole other level. Also, even though Dorian outweighed Levrone, he still had a better midsection, with even more defined abs and serratus - not a small feat, 'cause Kevin's midsetion was superb.

  As for Wheeler: apples and oranges. Flex had better taper and midsetion, but that was it. Of course, his classical proportions were beautiful. But Wheeler's back, delts, thighs and chest were simply too small to compare to Dorian's. I do think that Wheeler could have defeated Dorian, but it is a matter of preference. Regardless, Flex conditioning - especially in his lower back, glutes and hamstrings -, were always pathetic, so he couldn't put it together against Dorian, the King of conditioning. He was at his best at the 1993 ASC and the 1998 Olympia conditioning-wise, but it was still not good enough.

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