Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[IceCold]

why not?

he looks like this, doesn't he?:





in 1995 no less - supposedly one of his "best ever" showings

the fact that he was so successful yet looked like this SHOWS that he was overrated, not the opposite as you seem to think.

that is why you have lost this debate so badly - you think that because the numbers say he was amazing means that he actually was that good..

problem is, the pics and videos do not match up with these "amazing scorecards"

what you don't understand was the flawed judging standard (size over quality) that was in place that CREATED the fantastic numbers in the first place.

Under better judging standards, Dorian's numbers would not have been as good as they were.

The Ronnie side on the other hand, has never cared about scorecards and numbers - we look at ACTUAL COMPARSIONS WITH OTHER BODYBUILDERS which is the essence of bodybuilding competition itself.

you enjoy showing the worst pics of dorian that you can find.  everyone has pics where they dont look their best.

shit, even in the first pic, you can see dorian not only dwarfing levrone, but is also in better condition. 

at least show some good pics and then claim yates was overrated.  but you cant do that, bc it aint true.











when ronnie appeared on stage in 99, he got applause.  when he came onstage in 03 and 04 at 285+, people didnt clap, they said, "oh shit, he's huge".

who gets the biggest ovation whenever he competes.  markus ruhl.  fans and judges want to see freaky mass.  a good big man will ALWAYS beat a good or better little man, regardless of how pretty, shapely, or asethetic he is.  size does matter.

if you want shapes, details, and asethetics, hulkster, then read go read a natural bodybuilding mag and playgirl.  or in your case 'ebony playgirl'. 

[Hulkster]

you enjoy showing the worst pics of dorian that you can find.  everyone has pics where they dont look their best.

yes but not everyone looks that smooth when supposedly in their "best ever shape".

the fact is that dorian, even at his best, was nowhere near as detailed from head to toe as Ronnie was.

certain small areas like lower back, sure.

but not major ones like arms, delts, chest and quads. 

combine these weaknesses with a wide waist and lack of good arm, quad and delt shape, and you have the makings of a physique that was so incredibly successful because of a flawed judging standard. 


this flawed standard is why he was overrated. He was awarded all these points when in fact he should have been marked down for smoothness and certainly marked down in the relaxed round where he look terrible just standing there.

Instead, all this was overlooked because he was bigger than his competition, and had a wide back.

this is something I do not agree with.

[Hulkster]

1993 was the only year where dorian looked good. even 1995, the pics show huge flaws.

if you want shapes, details, and asethetics, hulkster

why can't I have them all plus 257 pounds of mass?:


 

and in the context of the ronnie vs dorian debate, this combo of shape, aesthetics AND mass will always win out over pure mass with not as much shape and detail.

[Shockwave]

1993 was the only year where dorian looked good. even 1995, the pics show huge flaws.

why can't I have them all plus 257 pounds of mass?:


 

and in the context of the ronnie vs dorian debate, this combo of shape, aesthetics AND mass will always win out over pure mass with not as much shape and detail.

Simple question.
The black and white picture above, with Kevin Levrone. Does he not look just as smooth as Dorian, if not moreso?

[pumpster]

The black and white picture above, with Kevin Levrone. Does he not look just as smooth as Dorian, if not moreso?

Ya, the only detail is that he's not flexing most of his upper body like Yates & still looks comparable. Yates' arms from the front don't look much different flex and relaxed. 

[delta9mda]

not bad at 242-245 winning the O.

[JDK]

what i like about dorian is that heīs so complete from the back. heīs got this monster back, great hammies and even one of the best set of calves of all time. you donīt see such a complete package nowadays.... I think Cutler is closest in this regard.

[pumpster]

not bad at 242-245 winning the O.

Kinda boring actually; superb density doesn't compensate for the fact that he doesn't look great compared to some others past and present, including Coleman.

Seen getting killed here by Coleman.

[IceCold]

like i mentioned earlier, that pic of yates is from a photoshoot.  who knows when it was taken vs. coleman onstatge with diuretics, color, etc.

besides, coleman is at a slight angel making it much more dramtic than if he was straight on, like dorian is. 

[Hulkster]

Personally, I thought Yates might have looked better in 1992 than in 1993.

yes, seriously.

He was more ripped in 1992. much less of a gut when relaxed too.

[suckmymuscle]

  Oh my, so many unfair assessments of Dorian's physique and so much stupid innuendo written about Coleman's 1999 midsection, his triceps in 2003 and his superiority in "details" (subective). Anyway, I'm going to go take a dump and then I will destroy these fallacies again...ad infinitum.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

I'm going to go take a dump

Thanks for the update; speak of sh-- take a look at this..

[Hulkster]

brutal ownage of Dorian by King Ron

fits nicely with the running theme of this thread

[pobrecito]

This is probably the most complete back relaxed pose in the history of BB. If Jay Cutler had a backside like this, it would be lights out for ronnie!

[IceCold]

you mean ownage like this hulkster???










nice try hulkster. 

[IceCold]

thickenss, density, and hardness that no else has. 


dorian's arm looks damn good in this pic. 

[IceCold]

Personally, I thought Yates might have looked better in 1992 than in 1993.

yes, seriously.

He was more ripped in 1992. much less of a gut when relaxed too.

who cares how it or anything looks relaxed.  posing involves flexion. 

[IceCold]

and in the context of the ronnie vs dorian debate, this combo of shape, aesthetics AND mass will always win out over pure mass with not as much shape and detail.

not as much shape and detail, but superior conditioning.

that's the question. 

[crc69]

thickenss, density, and hardness that no else has. 
dorian's arm looks damn good in this pic. 

Mouhahahahaha !!!

[NeoSeminole]

you mean ownage like this hulkster???

[pumpster]

thickenss, density, and hardness that no else has. 


dorian's arm looks damn good in this pic.

Yates looked passable in a boring kinda way. Until the comparison's made; then it's embarassing.

[sculpture]

thickenss, density, and hardness that no else has. 


dorian's arm looks damn good in this pic. 

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Up there with the most stupidest shit posted yet in this thread.

Step off bucky.

[IceCold]

i meant that dorian's arm looks very good there compared to some of the other pics. 

it wasnt a comparison against ronnie, but of dorian himself in other pics.

what is wrong with that?

[suckmymuscle]

wider?


unlikely. Look at that back width and shoulder to waist differential.  Even when dorian was doing a lat spread he never had that kind of differential:


not very impressive thanks to the monster wide waist..

and if you want to talk about detail, turn dorian around!:



 

  Yes, wider. It's simple arithmatic, you idiot. Dorian is 270 lbs in the pic I posted, Ronald is 257 lbs in the pic you posted; so, Dorian is wider. Hell, the 257 lbs Dorian from 1993 had a much wider back than Coleman at the 1999 Olympia. You're seriously deceiving yourself is you think Ronnie is a match for Dorian in back width in any version except his 2003 and 2004 ones. If the 257 lbs has more back width than the equally heavy Ronnie, then I'm sorry, but he 270 lbs Dorian desroys your boy in back width. Here's a pic of Dorian at 269 lbs, where his back width destroys Ronnie in the same category in any year except 2003 - I know Dorian wasn't this wide at the 1993 Olympia, but I chose this pic because it shows the level of width Dorian had in 1997, when he compeed around this weight.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

show me where Ronnie's biceps are overpowering his triceps in the side pose.

just not seeing it.

  Ronnie's biceps are clearly overpowering his triceps. This shouldn't happen, because the biceps are extended and, thus, barely visible in this mandatory. The point, however, is one of overrall balance, which is visible in the relaxed round. When it comes to analysing how good/bad Ronnie is in this mandatory, it is only relevan when it is done by comparing it to Dorian's. And the bottom line is that Dorian's side triceps shot is superior: flatter stomach, more separated serratus, longer and more striated triceps, etc. Ronnie could never, in a million years, have a side triceps shot as good as this.

SUCKMYMUSCLE