Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Shockwave]

hahahhaa good one

I thought so.
But seriously, as a NON-COMPETITIVE bb, I would rather have his quads. They're not rediculously huge.

[IceCold]

the bolded points are very very true to all but the most retarded fans.

coleman's back is not better than dorian's.

i but them equal at delts.  neither of them are markus ruhl or levrone. 

[Hulkster]

coleman's back is not better than dorian's.

very few people would agree with you after seeing all the pics and videos on this thread.

that is a fact




and dorian's rear lat spread has never been as impressive as Ronnie's because of his wide waist and not as impressive taper.

[Shockwave]

Density vs. Volume.
To me, one of the few spots where it is comparable.
I would take density. This one is purely personal preference.

very few people would agree with you after seeing all the pics and videos on this thread.

that is a fact




and dorian's rear lat spread has never been as impressive as Ronnie's because of his wide waist and not as impressive taper.

[suckmymuscle]

  Once again, I defeated Hulkster at his own game. He asked to comment on a pic he posted of Dorian at the 1993 Olympia, where Dorian suposedly had a bad midsection; I did, and pointed out that there was no gut distension there. Hulkster remained silent. Then, I posted a pic of Dorian from the 1996 Olympia where he had vastly superior taper, abdominal and serratus separations than Ronnie in his 1999 Olympia form, and asked Hulkster to comment on it. Hulkster remained silent. I pointed out that the 1999 Ronnie has no advntge over the 1993 Dorian in muscularity, and, when it comes to symmetry, Dorian also had advantages over Ronnie, due to his flatter midsection with better separations and more proportional lower body. Oh, I also pointed out that Dorian wins in conditioning. Hulkster remained silent.

  So, I guess the debate is over, because all the opposition can do is to advance the hypothesis that Ronnie's superior taper and separations would make him flat out destroy Dorian. First of all, this is only an opinion, one that the udges may or may not agree with. Secondly, considering Dorian's advantage in muscularity and conditioning, even if Ronnie won due to his superior "refinement", it would be by a few points - due to Dorian's immense advantage in everything else. Hulkster cannot reply to this obvious fact, so he resorts to posting pics of the 1999 Ronnie as if his opinion that Ronnie has better "refinement" would be shared by the udges!

  Since Ronnie doesen't defeat Dorian in either muscularity or conditioning, and since he only has better symmetry than Diesel on some mandatories, it would be entirely arbitrary to give Ronnie the nod based on better separations. Again, the fact is that, in a contest between the 1993 Dorian and 1999 Ronnie, Dorian would be the most muscular man onstage and the most conditioned, and also the most symmetrical on several mandatories, so he would probably win based on official I.F.B.B criteria(muscularity, symmetry and conditioning). So, even if the udges give the victory to Ronnie, it would be an arbitrary decision based on a preference. Discussion over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[getfast81]

Ok ok ok.  I love Ronnie and believe he is head and shoulders above the competition.  Actually light years in front of everyone else.  But what Ronnie doesnt have a wide waist.  As much muscle as he holds his waist has paid the price.  Dorian just wore himself out by his style of training.  Ronnie is slowly wearing himself out also.  Might show this year onstage (hopefully not).  Dorian dominated his era.  No one came close until the end much like with Ronnie now.  Cutler is coming close in the back department.  Probably not close enough to take away Big Rons ninth Sandow.

[Hulkster]

but them equal at delts.  neither of them are markus ruhl or levrone. 

actually, I think Ronnie has better delts than either of them.

why?

SEPERATION BABY!!






Look at those delts. they are near perfect

[Hulkster]

I did, and pointed out that there was no gut distension there. Hulkster remained silent.

thats only because you didn't even LOOK at the pic I posted showing dorian standing there with a gut!

[suckmymuscle]

thats only because you didn't even LOOK at the pic I posted showing dorian standing there with a gut!

  Again, where's the gut here? 255 lbs and no gut, baby! And also abdominal and serratus separations Ronnie can only dream of...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

 Once again, I defeated Hulkster at his own game. He asked to comment on a pic he posted of Dorian at the 1993 Olympia, where Dorian suposedly had a bad midsection; I did, and pointed out that there was no gut distension there. Hulkster remained silent. Then, I posted a pic of Dorian from the 1996 Olympia where he had vastly superior taper, abdominal and serratus separations than Ronnie in his 1999 Olympia form, and asked Hulkster to comment on it. Hulkster remained silent. I pointed out that the 1999 Ronnie has no advntge over the 1993 Dorian in muscularity, and, when it comes to symmetry, Dorian also had advantages over Ronnie, due to his flatter midsection with better separations and more proportional lower body. Oh, I also pointed out that Dorian wins in conditioning. Hulkster remained silent.

  So, I guess the debate is over, because all the opposition can do is to advance the hypothesis that Ronnie's superior taper and separations would make him flat out destroy Dorian. First of all, this is only an opinion, one that the udges may or may not agree with. Secondly, considering Dorian's advantage in muscularity and conditioning, even if Ronnie won due to his superior "refinement", it would be by a few points - due to Dorian's immense advantage in everything else. Hulkster cannot reply to this obvious fact, so he resorts to posting pics of the 1999 Ronnie as if his opinion that Ronnie has better "refinement" would be shared by the udges!

  Since Ronnie doesen't defeat Dorian in either muscularity or conditioning, and since he only has better symmetry than Diesel on some mandatories, it would be entirely arbitrary to give Ronnie the nod based on better separations. Again, the fact is that, in a contest between the 1993 Dorian and 1999 Ronnie, Dorian would be the most muscular man onstage and the most conditioned, and also the most symmetrical on several mandatories, so he would probably win based on official I.F.B.B criteria(muscularity, symmetry and conditioning). So, even if the udges give the victory to Ronnie, it would be an arbitrary decision based on a preference. Discussion over.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 I remained silent because I have NEVER contested the fact that Dorian had a better midsection than Ronnie.

What I AM contesting is that it would enable him to win given all the other areas (all huge ones) that he LOSES to Ronnie in.

abs and calves are not enough. period.

everyone is telling you guys this.

[Hulkster]

sucky, even Flex thinks you are an idiot

[suckmymuscle]

I remained silent because I have NEVER contested the fact that Dorian had a better midsection than Ronnie.

What I AM contesting is that it would enable him to win given all the other areas (all huge ones) that he LOSES to Ronnie in.

abs and calves are not enough. period.

everyone is telling you guys this.

  Once again, you mis-read my post. Where did I say that Dorian would win based on his superior abs and calves The points I made, which are facts were ignored by you, because you know them to be true. The facts about a hypothetical confrontation between the 1993 Dorian and 1999 Ronnie are as follows:

 1. Dorian would defeat Ronnie in muscularity - This is obvious. Dorian is 5'10 vs 5'11 for Ronnie, and he came in the contest at the same weight and with a thiner film of wter under his skin. Hence = more muscle. And muscularity is one of the two most important criterias when udging a physique.

 2. Dorian would defeat Ronnie in conditioning - Dorian's muscles are denser and he is dryer.

 3. They would tie in symmetry - Ronnie has a smaller waist, but Dorian's midsection is flatter and more separated. Dorian has better symmetry in the abs-and-thighs, side triceps&chest(because his stomach is flatter and his calves more visible), and the rear lat spread. In the other mandatories, they'd tie for symmetry.

  And this, Hulkster, is what matters in a bodybuilding contest. All your bragging about Ronnie's superior separations and vascularity mean nothing, because they are not officially evaluated by the udges. Muscle separation is a part of muscular deelopment, and the bottom line is that Dorian 1993 had more of it than Ronnie 1999. Dorian 1993 is the most muscular and conditioned man of the two, and he still takes Ronnie out when it comes to symmetry in several mandatories. Yes, the udges might agree with your opinion that Ronnie should win base on his superior separations and taper, but by no means it is a certain thing. And even if ronnie won, it would be an arbitrary decision caused by taste. Game over. Accept it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

sucky, even Flex thinks you are an idiot

  Those who are mentally handicapped shouldn't be calling others idiots! You still haven't commented on the pic from the 1996 olympia I posted, which shows Dorian with a tiny waist and super-etched abominals and serratus at 255 lbs. This pic you posted means nothing, because it shows pratically no distension. You know Ronnie 1999 had a much worse abominal distension than that! The pic below is the one I'm still waiting for you to comment on. And below it, a pic from the 1993 Dorian which shows his midsection was as flat as your arguments. Oh my, Hulkster, I'll stop spanking ya when you beg for mercy!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

[Hulkster]

in other words, as Neo has just put quite nicely, dorian did not have a tiny waist at the 1996 olympia or ANY olympia.

Sucky, everyone has a tiny waist when standing alone.
always remember this:


even at his SMALLEST on the olympia stage, Dorian still had a WIDE waist in comparison to others. And sonny owns him too

[Hulkster]

Sucky, everyone has a tiny waist when standing alone.

on second thought, scratch that. Dorian's waist looks a mile wide even when he is alone

[NeoSeminole]

Sucky, Dorian had a flat midsection when he was posing. Guess what? Ronnie did too you dipshit. I've tried to explain this to you repeatedly, but you don't seem to get it. Quit saying Ronnie had a distended gut otherwise I will keep posting pics of Dorian's gut.

[Hulkster]

yup, check out Ronnie's midsection (and dorian-crushing superdetailed pecs) at the 2001 Arnold Classic:


when he relaxed, he had a gut at this show. but you sure wouldn't know it judging from the pics

[suckmymuscle]

Sucky, Dorian had a flat midsection when he was posing. Guess what? Ronnie did too you dipshit.

  Bullshit, you Ronnie nut-milker. Dorian had a flat stomach when standing relaxed, which is not the case for Ronnie in his 1999 version let lone in his grotesque 2003 one! Furthermore, it is not true that Ronnie's gut was flat when posing! There is ample photographic evidence of this, and it has already been posted before. There's a pic of Ronnie doing the abs-and-thighs, from 2003, where he looked like he swallowed a watermellon. I'll post it as soon as I find it.

I've tried to explain this to you repeatedly, but you don't seem to get it. Quit saying Ronnie had a distended gut otherwise I will keep posting pics of Dorian's gut.

  Ok, you annoying queen. I'm going to find tons of pics showing Ronnie's extreme gut distension from the 2003 Olympia and post it - funny that you you think Ronnie 2003 has no gut distension, because he had it even at the 1999 Olympia, when he was 30 lbs lighter. I think NarcissisticDeity already posted these pics before, but I'm gonna post them again regardless.

  Oh, by the way, where's the gut distension here, fucktard?(this pic is from the 1993 Olympia)

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

in other words, as Neo has just put quite nicely, dorian did not have a tiny waist at the 1996 olympia or ANY olympia.

Sucky, everyone has a tiny waist when standing alone.
always remember this:


even at his SMALLEST on the olympia stage, Dorian still had a WIDE waist in comparison to others. And sonny owns him too

  BWA HA HA HA HA! Yeah, everyone has a tiny midsection when staning alone...but Dorian had it when standing against his competitors, even against the ones he outweighed by 60 lbs! And take into consideration that this pic is from the 1994 Olympia, one of Dozer's worst years. Once again, I own you.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

in other words, as Neo has just put quite nicely, dorian did not have a tiny waist at the 1996 olympia or ANY olympia.

  Oh, really? These three pics are from the 1996 Olympia and Dorian has a tiny waist in all the three! In the first two pics, his shoulder-to-waist differential is amazing, giving him fntastic taper. In the last pic, Dorian is both out-muscling and out-tapering your boy!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Bullshit, you Ronnie nut-milker. Dorian had a flat stomach when standing relaxed, which is not the case for Ronnie in his 1999 version let lone in his grotesque 2003 one! Furthermore, it is not true that Ronnie's gut was flat when posing! There is ample photographic evidence of this, and it has already been posted before. There's a pic of Ronnie doing the abs-and-thighs, from 2003, where he looked like he swallowed a watermellon.

Unfortunately for you dumbass, the abs-and-thighs isn't part of the symmetry round which you claim Ronnie's gut would cause him to lose. Ronnie in 03 was able to keep his gut under control when he was being judged. I've provided evidence of his flat midsection plenty of times. Here it is again.

Ok, you annoying queen. I'm going to find tons of pics showing Ronnie's extreme gut distension from the 2003 Olympia and post it - funny that you you think Ronnie 2003 has no gut distension, because he had it even at the 1999 Olympia, when he was 30 lbs lighter. I think NarcissisticDeity already posted these pics before, but I'm gonna post them again regardless.

Go for it. The only pics you can find of Ronnie's gut distension is when he's relaxed or in the middle of transition. I've tried to keep this discussion clean by only comparing flattering pics of both Ronnie and Dorian. However, if you want to play unfair, then I will beat you at your own game.

Oh, by the way, where's the gut distension here, fucktard?(this pic is from the 1993 Olympia)

Oh my, such potty language! Here's your gut distension.

[IceCold]

I remained silent because I have NEVER contested the fact that Dorian had a better midsection than Ronnie.

What I AM contesting is that it would enable him to win given all the other areas (all huge ones) that he LOSES to Ronnie in.

abs and calves are not enough. period.

everyone is telling you guys this.

my whole point to this thread, is that both are great bbers, and whoever would win, it would be very close.

i dont understand how you can say it wouldnt be?

flex was close to beating ronnie and dorian dominated him every year they competed.

jay, gustavo, gunter, etc.?  you think these guys would even come close to beating dorian when shawn, nasser, kevin, and flex werent?  

its a personal preference if you like dorian or ron more, but one thing is clear that they (post 98 for ron) would be the best competition for each other.

dorian never faced anyone like ronnie - with mass AND asethetics.  dorian beat people who were bigger than he was and who had more striations,  better bodyparts, etc., but he managed to dominate everyone.  

ronnie never faced anyone who was like dorian with mass AND conditioning.  very few guys have that 'dense' look and dorian is the most dense bber of all time as well as one of, if not, the hardest.  

[NeoSeminole]

Oh, really? These three pics are from the 1996 Olympia and Dorian has a tiny waist in all the three! In the first two pics, his shoulder-to-waist differential is amazing, giving him fntastic taper. In the last pic, Dorian is both out-muscling and out-tapering your boy!

Ha ha ha ha

[suckmymuscle]

Unfortunately for you dumbass, the abs-and-thighs isn't part of the symmetry round

  I never claimed it was, moron. Read my post to Hulkster where I address why the 1993 or 1995 Dorian would defeat the 1999 Coleman, and you'll see that I said that the mandatories were designed to show the muscular develpment of specific muscles in specfic angles, and the it's balance in relation to all the muscles around it. The mandatories evaluate both muscularity and symmetry. The abs-and-thighs are even more relevant in this case, since the "abs" in abdominals-and-thighs is there for a reason! And the bottom line is that, while the 1998 Coleman has better taper than Dorian this is not true for either the 1999 and especially the 2003 version of him. And Dorian has superior abdominal and serratus separations than any version of Ronnie. All these abs-and-thigh shots own your boy's, and I'm including the ones from the 1994 and 1997 Olympias in it!

SUCKMYMUSCLE