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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9875 on: October 14, 2006, 03:31:31 PM »
ha ha ha, you're pretty funny son. Nobody cares about win % except Dorian nuthuggers. The fact is Ronnie Coleman will always be remembered in history for winning the Mr. Olympia 2 more times than Dorian. I don't know any sites that have a win % for every bodybuilder.
Ronnie will always be remeber as the guy who blew the most important Mr Olympia contest ever !! lol  and denied his 9th Olympia win .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9876 on: October 14, 2006, 03:37:19 PM »
Ronnie will always be remeber as the guy who blew the most important Mr Olympia contest ever !! lol  and denied his 9th Olympia win.

Only to Dorian nuthuggers like you and Rocketfag. You would rather focus on Ronnie losing the Mr. Olympia at 42 (what age did Dorian or Lee Haney retire?) than remember him for winning the Mr. Olympia 8x.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9877 on: October 14, 2006, 03:39:20 PM »
Ronnie will always be remeber as the guy who blew the most important Mr Olympia contest ever !! lol  and denied his 9th Olympia win .
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9878 on: October 14, 2006, 03:45:01 PM »
Only to Dorian nuthuggers like you and Rocketfag. You would rather focus on Ronnie losing the Mr. Olympia at 42 (what age did Dorian or Lee Haney retire?) than remember him for winning the Mr. Olympia 8x.

Are you kidding me if Ronnie won you nuthuggers would have all been breaking your arms patting each other on the backs but he lost now you find comfort in excuses , if he won , you'd all be saying how great he looked at 42 now that he lose its an excuse lol

Bottom line Ronnie blew the most important Mr Olympia contest of his career of all time he was posed to beat the record of Lee Haney NO one in all probabilty will ever get that chance again and Ronnie blew it . period.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9879 on: October 14, 2006, 03:54:40 PM »
maybe so, but last time I checked:

haney and ronnie won 2 more Mr. O's than yates.

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Ronnie was still winning Mr. O's when dorian was sitting at home watching Tony Little on TV wishing he was that big again! 8)



holy shit their arms look similar 8)
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9880 on: October 14, 2006, 06:59:46 PM »
maybe so, but last time I checked:

haney and ronnie won 2 more Mr. O's than yates.

and

Ronnie was still winning Mr. O's when dorian was sitting at home watching Tony Little on TV wishing he was that big again! 8)


holy shit their arms look similar 8)

Haney deserved eight Olympia wins Ronnie didn't , Ronnie was very lucky in half of his wins 98/01/02/04 , all those contests could have went either way

Dorian dominated all of his , he retired undefeated and went out on his terms Ronnie was beat 4 times in a row by Jay Cutler , lost to Gunther and Gustavo in the challenge round lol Ronnie blew the most important Mr Olympia contest in history , enough said.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9881 on: October 14, 2006, 07:04:32 PM »
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Haney deserved eight Olympia wins Ronnie didn't , Ronnie was very lucky in half of his wins 98/01/02/04 , all those contests could have went either way
Haney had serious imbalances (all torso), probably even moreso than Yates, and was extremely fortunate not to have faced any truly great BBs and/or anyone politically "acceptable" annointed to unseat him.

One of the worst all-time MMs, a tie with Yates.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9882 on: October 14, 2006, 07:08:08 PM »
Excellent contribution.  ::) One of SUCKY's accounts.

I'm nobody's gimmick. BTW, here's my contribution to the thread.

We never saw both Dorian and Ronnie compete vs. each other in thier primes, so there is no need for 400 pages of debate. If anything, it proves it's an unwinnable argument.

I'll chime in again at 800 pages or so.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9883 on: October 14, 2006, 07:12:05 PM »
Haney had serious imbalances (all torso), probably even moreso than Yates, and was extremely fortunate not to have faced any truly great BBs and/or anyone politically "acceptable" annointed to unseat him.

One of the worst all-time MMs, a tie with Yates.

I love that you hate Haney because he beat Sergio lol in fact in 1984 he beat 3 former Mr Olympia winners in one shot !! Coleman couldn't even come close to Yates nevermind beat him . Haney destroyed everyone in his path!

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9884 on: October 14, 2006, 07:15:54 PM »
Sure Ronnie there are no injuries what so ever .  ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9885 on: October 14, 2006, 07:27:42 PM »
Even with injuries, Ronnie never looked this bad. :-X




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9886 on: October 14, 2006, 07:31:06 PM »
Even with injuries, Ronnie never looked this bad. :-X



Sure he did lol 2006 he looked much worse

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9887 on: October 14, 2006, 07:31:48 PM »
Sucky "knows" this-no proof is necessary, would "get in the way". 

  The arms are more than biceps peak, my friend! You discredit yourself by reducing everything to that, when in reality, in his 1999 form, Ronnie's arms were not that much bigger than Dorian's. Now, you go on and on about arms, but you ignore that Dorian uses his superior triceps to his advantage and wins the side triceps shot flat out. I'm sorry, but Dorian's triceps were roughly as big as that of the 1999 Ronnie, but he had better separations and striations in the side triceps shot. So Ronnie has no advantage in triceps muscularity over Dorian, with mostg of the arm size difference being the result of his bigger biceps. Dorian's biceps were inferior to Ronnie's, but the difference in overrall arm muscularity was not that great when comparing the 1995 Dorian to the 1999 Ronnie. Also, Dorian's forearms have greater  muscularity and serparations. The only advantage Ronnie has on Dorian, when it comes to arm, is biceps muscularity. You can argue that he also has better "shape", but that is a taste. And since Dorian's biceps don't overpower his triceps, he has better proportions as well. These pics prove Dorian's arms were roughly equivalent to Ronnie's in overrall muscularity, but also more proportionate and harder. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9888 on: October 14, 2006, 07:32:53 PM »
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I love that you hate Haney because he beat Sergio lol in fact in 1984 he beat 3 former Mr Olympia winners in one shot !!
I'm glad this was said, because it's the kind of speculative CRAP we've seen from him for 400 pages. Why would i care if an older Oliva was beaten-he was beaten by various guys, not Haney in particular, and didn't deserve better. Who cares, he wasn't what he was and shouldn't have entered.

I'd like to know in that contorted world of ND's why i would care..hilarious.. ;D

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9889 on: October 14, 2006, 07:34:14 PM »
Dorian 1997 would eaisly beat Ronnie 2006 Dorian had a back  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9890 on: October 14, 2006, 07:35:37 PM »
I'm glad this was said, because it's the kind of speculative CRAP we've seen from him for 400 pages. Why would i care if an older Oliva was beaten-he was beaten by various guys, not Haney in particular, and didn't deserve better. Who cares, he wasn't what he was and shouldn't have entered.

I'd like to know in that contorted world of ND's why i would care..hilarious.. ;D

Oh thats right you only care when the guy who beats Sergio is white lol like Arnold and when Zane beat Robby I see a pattern here .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9891 on: October 14, 2006, 07:39:42 PM »
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Oh thats right you only care when the guy who beats Sergio is white lol like Arnold and when Zane beat Robby I see a pattern here .
Brilliant, he can't discern between Oliva in his prime vs. around age 50 in '85. hahahaahahahahah Keep babbling it's priceless.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9892 on: October 14, 2006, 07:40:32 PM »
those solitary pics of yates biceps only look good because Flea Labrada, Vince Tayor, Ronnie coleman and pretty much everyone else is not standing beside him...


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the essence of bodybuilding is comparisons.

not close up solitary shots.

  Exactly. And Dorian was compared for symmetry against all the top pros from the 1990's, and defeated them with straight-firsts scores. He was also compared for muscularity&symmetry agains the best of the World, including Kevin in his best 1995 form, a superb Shawn at his best in 1996 and such and defeated all of them flat out: he won all six mandatories(the crab shot only became a mandatory latter) at these contests against all of them, getting striaght-firsts scores from all the judges. ;) So, you lose. I don't know if you're aware of this, Hulky, but the posing round is the only time when a competitor "stands alone" and you can be damn sure that, by the time Dorian did his posing routine, he had already defeated all his rivals in pre-judging. ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9893 on: October 14, 2006, 07:42:55 PM »
  Exactly. And Dorian was compared for symmetry against all the top pros from the 1990's, and defeated them with straight-firsts scores. He was also compared for muscularity&symmetry agains the best of the World, including Kevin in his best 1995 form, a superb Shawn at his best in 1996 and such and defeated all of them flat out: he won all six mandatories(the crab shot only became a mandatory latter) at these contests against all of them, getting striaght-firsts scores from all the judges. ;) So, you lose. I don't know if you're aware of this, Hulky, but the posing round is the only time when a competitor "stands alone" and you can be damn sure that, by the time Dorian did his posing routine, he had already defeated all his rivals in pre-judging. ;)

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Great post ! but the judges scores don't mean anything dumb and dumber figured it all out on thier own lol to quote Hulkster ' facts & figures don't mean anything " lol

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9894 on: October 14, 2006, 07:56:24 PM »
Hulkster,

1998 was a lot closer than you think. You look at 2 pictures and base the win or loss on that? :-X Watch the video and you will see Ronnie was not great from the front. In fact, in the final posedown, Cormier easily beat Ronnie from the front as did Flex. Ronnie's quads lacked the seapartions that he had in 99. The gyno was also horrid and ruined his front double bi.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9895 on: October 14, 2006, 07:58:29 PM »
ha ha ha, give me a break son! I've never once claimed Ronnie is less disproportionate than Dorian. In fact, I've always maintained that both have equal imbalance issues. Dorian's arms were too small for his blocky torso and Ronnie's calves are too small for his quads.

  No: you especifially said that Dorian's arms were small in comparison to his lats, a truly bizare critque. Furthermore, litle boy, it's simply not true that they have equa imbalances; Ronnie has far greater imbalances than Dorian, which go muh deeper than only the calves, in either his lighter or heavier versions: Ronnie has a distended midsection, huge gluteus maximus muscles, imbalanced deltoids that have muh more developed frontal heads, etc.

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No, I wasn't referring to Ronnie in 03. You claimed Dorian "edges Ronnie out both in triceps muscularity and separations" when both of them are around 257 lbs. I posted shots of Ronnie from the 99 Mr. Olympia and 01 ASC destroying your boy in triceps. I don't know why you keep saying Dorian's triceps had better separation. He could never match Ronnie in separations. Here they are at a lighter bodyweight.

  Oh, so now you are not defending Ronnie's 2003 version? ::) Yeah, because for all their size, Ronnie's triceps in 2003 were a disgrace, having almost no cut in them, both in the side triceps as well as when being seen from behind in the relaxed round. Either way, you can't have it both ways, boy. You've got to chose either the 2003 or 1999 Ronnie. Ronnie edges out Dorian in trieps muscularity in 2003, but his 1999 version is comparable to Dorian's in striations, but has no size advantage, and serves him no purpose in the side triceps shot, since Dorian's triceps is just as striated, but with more symmetry, courtesy of his balanced deltoid heads, vastus lateralis in proportion with the calves, ethed serratus, etc.

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Hopefully now you will stop making an ass out of yourself by saying Dorian had better tricep striations than Ronnie. He never did as the pics show. You also keep forgetting the triceps are composed of 3 muscles: the long head, medial head, and lateral head. Even if Dorian slightly edges out Ronnie in the lateral head, Ronnie simply destroys Dorian in overall triceps muscularity.

  Now you pick Ronnie's 1999 version to defend, because you know that the 2003 version gets detroyed by Doz. But unfortunately for you, Ronnie's lateral triceps head was never as striated as Dorian's. Speak of the other two heads, but the fact is that, in his 1999 version, Ronnie has no muscularity advantage when it comes to triceps and Dorian has the edge in striations and proportions. Dorian's triceps not massive and striated? I'll match these shots of Dorian's tris against any of Ronnie's. Bring it on! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9896 on: October 14, 2006, 08:10:46 PM »
are you saying that these are not attributes that the judges will give points for when comparing two competitors?

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Nd you have no clue how bodybuiling is actually judged.

you claim the judges don't care about X frames and V-tapers when in reality the judges have been awarding points for these attributes since Sergio's days.

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ND: an internet fan bodybulding veteran with a novice knowledge of the sport...


  There is no such thing as X-frame. That is just you trying to ome up with excuses for why Ronnie would win over Dorian. There are only three things that are evaluated in bodybuilding: muscularity, symmetry and conditioning. A V-taper is nothing more than the differential between the waist and the width of the latissimus and deltoids. This is deemed to be a positive thing symmetry-wise because it gives the impression of having even more massive lats and delts. Wheeler's lats and delts were never very wide, but they appeared to be because his waist was so tiny - when he came in around 225 lbs. An X-frame might be a preference for some judges, but it is in no way something that is evaluated in the symmetry round. All things being equal, I assure you no bodybuilder has defeated another for having a better X-frame. Some judge on some specifi contest might give the nod to that, bu the bottom line is that he doesen't have to. Get over it. ::)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9897 on: October 14, 2006, 08:17:13 PM »
nice ab and thgh that does not show the thigh ::)

oh, and Dorian's rear lat spread and legs are BOTH SMOOTH compared to these:


Face it ND: you can't convice anyone that Dorian is better than Ronnie by using pics and vdeos.

that is why you have to resort to numbers all the time ::)

  Dorian's lat spread is wider than that of the 1999 Coleman. Period. The 2003 Ronnie might have wider lats, but such is not the case for the 1999 Ronnie. The bottom line is that, until 2003, Dorian had the widest lats the sport had ever seen. Smooth?! Wtf?! Dorian set the standard for hardness, so you're just being spiteful. If you're refering to separations, then I don't know what's your point, because the rear lat spread was designed to showcase the width of latissimus development, and you can't show much separations anyway without contracting your lats. In any case, not only do Dorian's lats flare wider, but his teres major, minor and infra-spinatus are all thicker and more separated than that of the 1999 Coleman. Admit it! ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #9898 on: October 14, 2006, 08:50:46 PM »
No: you especifially said that Dorian's arms were small in comparison to his lats, a truly bizare critque. Furthermore, litle boy, it's simply not true that they have equa imbalances; Ronnie has far greater imbalances than Dorian, which go muh deeper than only the calves, in either his lighter or heavier versions: Ronnie has a distended midsection, huge gluteus maximus muscles, imbalanced deltoids that have muh more developed frontal heads, etc.

"No" what? I'm not sure what you disagree with. I said earlier Dorian has one of the biggest backs of all time and little twig arms. How can you ignore this imbalance but penalize Ronnie for his calves? Furthermore, I've already shown you Ronnie in 03 didn't have a distended midesection. Take another look.



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Oh, so now you are not defending Ronnie's 2003 version? ::) Yeah, because for all their size, Ronnie's triceps in 2003 were a disgrace, having almost no cut in them, both in the side triceps as well as when being seen from behind in the relaxed round. Either way, you can't have it both ways, boy. You've got to chose either the 2003 or 1999 Ronnie.

ha ha ha, listen closely son. You claimed Dorian "edges Ronnie out both in triceps muscularity and separations" when both of them are around 257 lbs. What did you expect me to do dumbass? Post pics of Ronnie at 286 lbs? I was merely responding to your comment. I still believe Ronnie in 03 is the most dominating physique to ever step onstage. Nobody else comes close.

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Ronnie edges out Dorian in trieps muscularity in 2003, but his 1999 version is comparable to Dorian's in striations, but has no size advantage, and serves him no purpose in the side triceps shot, since Dorian's triceps is just as striated, but with more symmetry, courtesy of his balanced deltoid heads, vastus lateralis in proportion with the calves, ethed serratus, etc.

Comparable? Are you out of your f*cking mind? Both versions of Ronnie destroy Dorian in triceps muscularity. You keep forgeting the triceps is composed of 3 muscles.





I don't know why you keep making an ass out of yourself by saying Dorian had better tricep striations than Ronnie. He could never match Ronnie in separations. I will post the comparisons again for you to see. Pay close attention Sucky. Here they are at a lighter bodyweight.





Here they are at a heavier bodyweight. I included a HD close-up of Dorian for you to see.





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Now you pick Ronnie's 1999 version to defend, because you know that the 2003 version gets detroyed by Doz. But unfortunately for you, Ronnie's lateral triceps head was never as striated as Dorian's. Speak of the other two heads, but the fact is that, in his 1999 version, Ronnie has no muscularity advantage when it comes to triceps and Dorian has the edge in striations and proportions. Dorian's triceps not massive and striated? I'll match these shots of Dorian's tris against any of Ronnie's. Bring it on!

Your stupidity never ceases to amaze me. I still stand by the 03 version of Ronnie. The only reason I posted a shot of 99 Ronnie is b/c I was responding to your comment. Also, I find it hypocritical of you to remark about which version of Ronnie I choose. You keep posting pics of Dorian from 93, 95 and 96, yet I'm supposed to stick to only 1 year? Piss off you mental midget.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
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