Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[haider]

Levrone kills dorian in that back double bi shot.

[jwb]

hello? Flex looks better than yates in the side tri, better in the ab and thigh, And Shawn's back looks better in that rear double bi than yates has ever looked!

 

you are truly blind.

hulkie... flex gets crushed on the ab and thigh dude... he looks like a middleweight

[Hulkster]

you're claiming to know more than the judges

see, you are not getting it.

its not about "knowing more than the judges"

its about awarding FAIR SCORES based on comparisons and taking away points for major flaws.

Scoring fairly has nothing to do with "knowledge"

[NarcissisticDeity]

hello? Flex looks better than yates in the side tri, better in the ab and thigh, And Shawn's back looks better in that rear double bi than yates has ever looked!

 

you are truly blind.

See this is where your ignorance of the IFBB criteria shines through , your ' think ' Flex looks better than Yates in the side triceps and the ab & thigh , and Shawn's back looks better than Yates' isn't even worthy of a retort.

follow this criteria , look at the pictures and come to your senses .

When assessing a competitor’s physique, a judge should follow a
routine procedure which will allow a comprehensive assessment of
the physique as a whole. During the comparisons of the
compulsory poses, the judge should first look at the primary
muscle group being displayed. The judge should then survey the
whole physique, starting from the head, and looking at every part
of the physique in a downward sequence, beginning with general
impressions, and looking for muscular bulk, balanced
development, muscular density and definition. The downward
survey should take in the head, neck, shoulders, chest, all of the
arm muscles, front of the trunk for pectorals, pec-delt tie-in,
abdominals, waist, thighs, legs, calves and feet. The same
procedure for back poses will also take in the upper and lower
trapezius, teres and infraspinatus, erector spinae, the gluteus
group, the leg biceps group at the back of the thighs, calves, and
feet. A detailed assessment of the various muscle groups should
be made during the comparisons, at which time it helps the judge
to compare muscle shape, density, and definition while still
bearing in mind the competitor’s overall balanced development.
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Front Double Biceps (see Figure 1)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet
in-line and a short distance apart, the competitor will raise
both arms to shoulder level and bend them at the elbows.
The hands should be clenched and turned down so as to
cause a contraction of the biceps and forearm muscles,
which are the main muscle groups that are to be assessed
in this pose. In addition, the competitor should attempt
to contract as many other muscles as possible as the
judges will be surveying the whole physique, from head to
toe.

The judge will first survey the biceps muscles looking for a
full, peaked development of the muscle, noting whether
or not there is a defined split between the anterior and
posterior sections of the biceps, and will continue the
head-to-toe survey by observing the development of the
forearms, deltoids, pectorals, pec-delt tie-ins, abdominals,
thighs, and calves. The judge will also look for muscle
density, definition, and overall balance.

Front Lat Spread (see Figure 2)
Standing face front to the judges, with the legs and feet a
short distance apart, the competitor will place the open
hands, or clenched fists, against, or gripping, the lower
waist or obliques and will expand the latissimus muscles.
At the same time, the competitor should attempt to
contract as many other frontal muscles as possible. It
shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on
the posing trunks so as to show the top inside of the
quadriceps.
The judge should first see whether the competitor can
show a good spread of the latissimus muscles, thereby
creating a V-shaped torso. Then the judge should
continue with the head-to-foot survey, noting first the
general aspectsof the physique and then concentrating on
the more detailed aspects of the various muscle groups.

3. Side Chest (see Figure 3)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose, in
order to display the “better” arm. He will stand with his
left or right side towards the judges and will bend the arm
nearest the judges to a right-angle position, with the fist
clenched and, with the other hand, will grasp the wrist.
The leg nearest the judges will be bent at the knee and
will rest on the toes. The competitor will then expand the
chest and by upward pressure of the front bent arm and
contract the biceps as much as possible. He will also
contract the thigh muscles, in particular, the biceps
femoris group, and by downward pressure on his toes,
will display the contracted calf muscles.
The judge will pay particular attention to the pectoral
muscles and the arch of the rib cage, the biceps, the leg
biceps and the calves, and will conclude with the head-tofoot
examination. In this pose the judge will be able to
survey the thigh and calf muscles in profile, which will
help in grading their comparative development more
accurately.

Back Double Biceps (see Figure 4)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
bend the arms and wrists as in the Front Double Biceps
pose, and will place one foot back, resting on the toes.
He will then contract the arm muscles as well as the
muscles of the shoulders, upper and lower back, thigh
and calf muscles.

The judge will first survey the arm muscles and then do
the head-to-foot survey, during which there are more
muscle groups to look at than in all of the other poses.
This includes the neck, deltoids, biceps, triceps, forearm,
trapezius, teres, infraspinatus, erector spinae, external
obliques, latissimus dorsi, gluteus, thigh biceps, and
calves. This pose, probably more than the others, will
help the judge to determine the quality of the
competitor’s muscle density, definition, and overall
balance.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

6. Side Triceps (see Figure 6)
The competitor may choose either side for this pose so as
to show the “better” arm. He will stand with his left or
right side towards the judges and will place both arms
behind his back, either linking his fingers or grasping the
front arm by the wrist with his rear hand. The leg nearest
the judges will be bent at the knee and the foot will rest
flat on the floor. The competitor will exert pressure
against his front arm, thereby causing the triceps muscle
to contract. He will also raise the chest and contract the
abdominal muscles as well as the thigh and calf muscles.
The judge will first survey the triceps muscles, and
conclude with the head-to-foot examination. In this pose,
the judge will be able to survey the thigh and calf muscles
in profile, which will help in grading their comparative
development more accurately.

Abdominals and Thighs (see Figure 7)
Standing face front to the judges, the competitor will
place both arms behind the head and will place one leg
forward. He will then contract the abdominal muscles by
55
“crunching” the trunk slightly forward. At the same time,
he will contract the thigh muscles of the forward leg.
The judge will survey the abdominal and thigh muscles,
and then conclude with the head-to-foot examination.

[carvedoutofwood]

show me any picture of yates, i dont care if u morph or crop it... where he can match this level on conditioning...

  

[IceCold]

how can you say dorian doesnt deserve to win?

are you blind?

are the judges blind?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Levrone kills dorian in that back double bi shot.

Not even close.

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie in 03

[Hulkster]

hulkie... flex gets crushed on the ab and thigh dude... he looks like a middleweight

no, Flex and Shawn at their bests both have ab and thigh poses that destroy both yates and Coleman

That is a pose that neither one can compete with them.

[rayrod]

kevin was great granted, but better than Coleman from the back.    you better put the crack pipe down

[IceCold]

show me any picture of yates, i dont care if u morph or crop it... where he can match this level on conditioning...

  

i hope your kidding.

ronnie is not even close to the definition of conditioning.

dorian is.  





yates is fuller, harder, dryer, and thicker.

leave this thread to the grown ups.


ps. if anything, you should have picked something related to biceps.  but not conditioning.  

[carvedoutofwood]

hulkie... flex gets crushed on the ab and thigh dude... he looks like a middleweight

what exactly are you looking at... flex is building a house around yates in that pose... he's got eatherd thighs and the best taper of all time???.... huge arms!!!!....?... yes yates has him in the back... but this is BODY building.... not back building

[IceCold]

no, Flex and Shawn at their bests both have ab and thigh poses that destroy both yates and Coleman

That is a pose that neither one can compete with them.

wrong again.


flex and shawn have smaller waists, but they are smaller.

dorian is bigger and harder with a great midsection.

not even close. 

[Hulkster]

how can you say dorian doesnt deserve to win?

are you blind?

are the judges blind?

I am not necessarily saying that dorian did not deserve to win every contest (although everyone and his uncle can see that 94 he should have lost).

but I am arguing that in almost every contest he competed in, he recieved scores that were too high given his flaws and the fact that guys beat him in poses such as the front double bi, ab and thigh, front relaxed in the symmetry round, side chest (nasser) etc etc..

What does this mean?

it means he was OVERRATED.

thats what it means.

[jwb]

Levrone kills dorian in that back double bi shot.

kevin definitely performs it better there...

around 1995/96 yates started to drop his head forward too much and under-rotate his humerus so that his hands were sitting forward of his upper arms... better off getting the hands back more

[carvedoutofwood]

i hope your kidding.

ronnie is not even close to the definition of conditioning.

dorian is.  

yates is fuller, harder, dryer, and thicker.

leave this thread to the grown ups.


ps. if anything, you should have picked something related to biceps.  but not conditioning.  

well obviously ronnie destroys yates in everything othr then conditioning....but my point... even in conditioning ronnies has the edge... where is dorian in that picture?... outer space?.... how dark can the lighting be???... ronnies clearly got him in the hams and glutes... plus the lower back... i give the upper back to dorian... but game over...

[IceCold]

I am not necessarily saying that dorian did not deserve to win every contest (although everyone and his uncle can see that 94 he should have lost).

but I am arguing that in almost every contest he competed in, he recieved scores that were too high given his flaws and the fact that guys beat him in poses such as the front double bi, ab and thigh, front relaxed in the symmetry round, side chest (nasser) etc etc..

What does this mean?

it means he was OVERRATED.

that's your opinion.

not mine.

not the judges.


the only pose he really lost was the front double bi.

nasser never had the conditioning or thickness and development from the side and back to compete with dorian.

shawn never had the size.

its the total package, not how much striations on your thighs.  

[jwb]

no, Flex and Shawn at their bests both have ab and thigh poses that destroy both yates and Coleman

That is a pose that neither one can compete with them.

I'm looking through a magnifying glass to find FLEX's lats brother... he looks skinny! yates kills him in the ab shot

[Shockwave]

Ronnie in 03

OMG... the gut in that video is fucking horendous!

[IceCold]

well obviously ronnie destroys yates in everything othr then conditioning....but my point... even in conditioning ronnies has the edge... where is dorian in that picture?... outer space?.... how dark can the lighting be???... ronnies clearly got him in the hams and glutes... plus the lower back... i give the upper back to dorian... but game over...

seriously, please stay out of this thread.

ronnie has better condition than dorian?

and dorian has better biceps than ronnie.

[NeoSeminole]

show me any picture of yates, i dont care if u morph or crop it... where he can match this level on conditioning

exactly what I've been trying to say. I'm not doubting that Dorian was dryer than Ronnie. However, the difference isn't night and day like the Dorian nuthuggers believe. Ronnie had pretty damn good conditioning in 03. He was shredded everywhere and his lower back was crisp. Now add the fact that he was almost 30 lbs heavier than Dorian. It's easy to see why Ronnie would beat Dorian. The real discussion is who would win between 99 Ronnie and a prime Dorian.

[IceCold]

what exactly are you looking at... flex is building a house around yates in that pose... he's got eatherd thighs and the best taper of all time???.... huge arms!!!!....?... yes yates has him in the back... but this is BODY building.... not back building

you can easily see how much smaller flex is than dorian.

just imagine in person.

yates is still harder and dryer.

by the way that is from 93,  the year flex called dorian 'untouchable'.

any more valid points you wanted to make?

[Hulkster]

wrong again.


flex and shawn have smaller waists, but they are smaller.

dorian is bigger and harder with a great midsection.

not even close. 

don't even go there:




both flex and shawn have abs and QUADS (and a tiny waist) that kill dorian's ab and thigh (and Ronnie's too)

[NarcissisticDeity]

show me any picture of yates, i dont care if u morph or crop it... where he can match this level on conditioning...

 

LMFAO you can tell you're new lol

[pobrecito]

Flex easily had the best ab/thigh of all time.

At the 99GP his ab/thigh was unreal. His quad was bigger than his waist