Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

what is really funny is most of those dorian shots are from 93 and Ronnie is still killing him!

Look at the front double biceps Ronnie & Dorian have the same size waist lol and calves  those pics are way off , old news  !

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, come on, you don't believe that do you?  Dorian at his best was very good, but at his worst? 

Dorian 1997 beat Ronnie who was 255lbs and missing great conditioning and thats about it.

[pumpster]

Look at the front double biceps Ronnie & Dorian have the same size waist lol and calves   those pics are way off , old news  !

Torso including blocky waist making the arms disappear..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Torso including blocky waist making the arms disappear..

Same contest

[pumpster]

Same contest

Those side shots are good for reducing the imbalance.

[NeoSeminole]

Look at the front double biceps Ronnie & Dorian have the same size waist lol and calves  those pics are way off , old news!

actually look more closely, Ronnie's waist is smaller. You're probably looking at Ronnie's shadow. Also, Ronnie's right leg is rotated outward so you can see more of his calf while Dorian's are facing straight forward. If Dorian turned his leg to the side like Ronnie's, his calf would look even bigger.

[NarcissisticDeity]

actually look more closely, Ronnie's waist is smaller. You're probably looking at Ronnie's shadow.

           seriously Ronnie's calves at the 2001 ASC are NOT going to be the same size as Dorian's and his waist wouldn't be that close even entertaining your shadow nonsense.

[carvedoutofwood]

beverly hills cop II on HBO right now

[nicorulez]

ND, this is the debate that will never end.  First off, Dorian looked like ass in 1997.  If Ronnie were a shadow of his condition in 1998 and was more in the judges collective conscience, it would have been a slaughter for Coleman.  However, this is bodbybuilding and bias and favoritism toward the champ usually reigns supreme.  Now, forget about any drivel comparing Dorian 1996/1997 to Ronnie's best; that is as absurd as comparing Ronnie 2002/2006 to Doz 1993 or 1995.  Thus, a wash in a fair contest.  Now, compare them at their best.  For a detailed analysis, read Sucky's excellent assessments.  Now, I disagree with some of what he says, but he does provide a compelling argument.  I believe that at his best, Ronnie was definitely more muscular and had thicker, larger muscle bellies in all bodyparts but calves.  Compare Ronnie of 2003 to any version of Dorian; Doz is overwhelmed in size from all points but back width.  Even there, Ronnie is thicker.  However, to Doz's credit, no top flight bodybuilder has ever come onto stage in the condition he possessed in 1993/1995.  Even in 1992 he was hard as nails.  Also, in those shows he had excellent muscularity and shape.  Yes, his obliques are bulbous and he is no Flex Wheeler (who is except maybe Cormier shape wise), but he looked damn good.  Thus, I feel this debate comes down to what the judges are looking for.  If they are looking for incredible mass, very good conditioning and round, full muscle bellies they will probably go with Coleman.  If they are looking for supreme condition (especially from the back), second to one (Coleman) muscularity and what I deem very good taper in those shows mentioned above; they would go with Dorian.  Regardless, it is really an apples and oranges comparison.  BTW, I have serious doubt that Dorian's forearms are markedly more muscular than Colemans; I bet this is illusion as Ronnie's arms are probably one to two inches larger than Dorian's but his forearms are probably equal size.  Take a look at the pic below and Ronnie has everything but average forearms.

[RocketSwitch625]

I always knew he reminded me of someone but I couldn't quite put my finger on it until now.





And that's his family in the background.

[pumpster]

First off, Dorian looked like ass in 1997.  If Ronnie were a shadow of his condition in 1998 and was more in the judges collective conscience, it would have been a slaughter for Coleman.  However, this is bodbybuilding and bias and favoritism toward the champ usually reigns supreme.

True. ADD POLITICS


Good point on Coleman's forearms-Yates' upper arms make his forearms look better than they are.

[Hulkster]

what I deem very good taper in those shows mentioned above; they would go with Dorian

but peak Ronnie's taper is better, so this would be an advantage for him, not for dorian.





ronnie's superior taper at his peak is obvious in every pose

[nicorulez]

Using Shawn as the reference point in those pics above, it is obvious that Coleman is wider and thicker.  However, Yate's is drier slightly.  Regardless, since we never saw them stand face to face in their primes, it is nice to use a reference point such as Ray.  Ronnie does look more dominating, but it may be the angle.  Regardless, both have stellar backs.

[Hulkster]

Ronnie does look more dominating, but it may be the angle.

no, it is not just the angle.

It is the superior shape, detail and quality, combined with equal size, that Ronnie possesses over dorian.


dorian has never looked anything like this.

the quality was not to the same level.




that is just the way life goes

[suckmymuscle]

sucky again with a marathon post that nobody cares about.

  That's because you have been utterly and completely annihilated by yours truly, boy. Move on.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

I would respond, but it's pointless. Nobody likes reading long posts. I would be typing for nothing.

  Oh, I promise you I'll read it and own you for the gazillionth time. The fact is that I logically demonstrated the fallacy of your claims. You realized them, but now want to save face by pretending that I'm too insignificant to bother. You are now officially my board bitch, after leaving three posts of mine where I called you out unanswered.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Using Shawn as the reference point in those pics above, it is obvious that Coleman is wider and thicker.  However, Yate's is drier slightly.  Regardless, since we never saw them stand face to face in their primes, it is nice to use a reference point such as Ray.  Ronnie does look more dominating, but it may be the angle.  Regardless, both have stellar backs.

I think you're confusing Dennis James in the pic for Shawn Ray.

[NeoSeminole]

You realized them, but now want to save face by pretending that I'm too insignificant to bother.

I already told you earlier that I will not respond to your lengthy posts. So what did you do? You posted another f*cking marathon post. Then you say I'm trying to save face. I warned you in advance dumbass. ha ha. Whatever helps you sleep at night. If you honestly think the reason I'm not responding is b/c I'm afraid of you, then good for you. I can care less what you think.

[suckmymuscle]

I already told you earlier that I will not respond to your lengthy posts. So what did you do? You posted another f*cking marathon post. Then you say I'm trying to save face. I warned you in advance dumbass. ha ha. Whatever helps you sleep at night. If you honestly think the reason I'm not responding is b/c I'm afraid of you, then good for you. I can care less what you think.

  I posted another "marathon" post because of the sheer amount of bullshit you spill out. Seriously, each and ever single senstence you write contains at least three or four false facts, assertions and incorrect logical inferences about how a phyisique is evaluated. If I wrote a few short sentences, you would accuse me of "not addressing the isues". In fact, you accused me of this previously, so I responded to your fallacious claims in the most profound way possible. The reason why you won't respond is because you know I owned you badly, boy. As for you not caring about what I think, well, keep telling that to yourself. Whatever helps you sleep at night...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

If I wrote a few short sentences, you would accuse me of "not addressing the isues". In fact, you accused me of this previously, so I responded to your fallacious claims in the most profound way possible.

I have never accused you of such. Please show me where I said this. You're probably confusing me with someone else.

[pumpster]

I have never accused you of such. Please show me where I said this. You're probably confusing me with someone else.

SUCKY OWNED

[delta9mda]

I'm going to pull an "ND." Ronnie has better arms than Dorian. Look at the difference. It's so obvious!

ronnie has higher peaked biceps, that is all.

[nicorulez]

I don't know Delta, that side chest of Ronnie's is sick.  Too bad he couldn't pull it off for shit this year.  Regardless, like I have said a zillion times....they both are great.  It would be a war...what is so difficult to comprehend about that.  A Dorian or Ronnie at their peak would never be a pushover for anyone.  This is not rocket science my friends.

[RocketSwitch625]

The biggest biceps and by far the biggest head in bodybuilding. What a lovely chrome dome. The ladies love it.

Pwned. LOL

[whitewidow]

is this the record for longest thread?