no one said ND was all that bright 
after all, here is a guy who claims to be so knowledgable yet cannot understand the simple concept that the judges look at sevral attributes at once when judging.
And they did. This is where you lose it. You claim that Dorian would lose to Ronnie for not having striations and vascularity. First of all, whne it comes to striations, this is simply not true. Dorian had tons of striations on his back, glutes, hams and pectoralis. He had an etched christmas-tree. How about that for quality? Secondly, there's nothing in a bodybuilding judging criteria that says that a bodybuilder must have striations to win a contest. I
dare you to show me written in the booklet regulations of
any bodybuilding federation that striations are officially judged either in the muscularity or symmetry rounds. You can't.
As for vascularitty, the same thing, with the minus that I personally consider it to be a liability. Look at amateur shows, and you'll see that all the competitors are riddled with vascularity: were they any good? Personally, I consider excessive vascularity, like the kind Dillet had in his chest, to be an ugly sight. I don't think that it enhances a physique at all, and most bodybuilding judges would agree with me - Dillet actually got adviced to get rid of his varicose veins by Wayne DeMillia.
So the judges take into consideration several aspects of a physique? I agree. This is exactly why Dorian won Sandows! Here was a 5'10 man with an almost impeccable structure except for wide hips, who stepped onstage at 260 lbs with superior dryness than guys who competed at a bodyweight 50 lbs lighter. His wide hips did not stop him from winning, because he had great overrall taper for his size, and, even from the front, he still had great taper on two of the three mandatories.
You can't make the case that Ronnie had superior muscularity than Dorian, because the latter stepped onstage at the same bodyweight but with superior dryness, hence more of his weight was muscle. Check. You can't make the case that Ronnie would win the relaxed round, because, again, Dorian might lose in overrall quadsand arms size by a slim margin, but since the relaxed round judges the body as a whole, this is irrelevant because Dorian has the bigger and thicker back and weight the same with better conditioning. Hence, his
overrall muscularity is greater. He loses in taper in the relaxed round, granted, because here taper is creater by the differential between delts and waist. Regardless, Dorian at least ties in
overrall symmetry, because his stomach is flatter, thus the total waist size is about the same. He also has better abs/serratus, and thus wins the relaxed round.
Dorian wins the back double biceps, because the biceps are barely visible in this pose and Dorian has the wider and thicker back, with at least as much details. He also has smaller glutes -a thus, better proportions -, equivalent hams and I'm not even bringing up calves.
He wins the rear lat spread, because he has the wider lats with equivalent taper - because, even though Dorian's waist is thicker, his lats are wider. Also, taper is not as relevant from the back as from the front. Again, Ronnie's glutes are a major symmetrical liability: like the abs, the glutes is the other bodypart where hypertrophy is a bad thing - because large glutes are un-manly.
Dorian wins the side triceps shot because, even though Ronnie might have slightly bigger inner and medial triceps head, they are not visible in this pose and Dorian's lateral triceps heads is more muscular than Ronnie's. He also wins the pose in terms of proportions, with superiorly etched serratus and comparable vastus lateralis. Gis three delltoid heads are more proportional and he has calves.
Dorian wins the front lat spread because his lats spread wider and his taper is at least as good. Dorian's waist is thicker, but in this pose the taper is created by the lats, because the dlets are pushed backwards and Dorian has wider lats. Wider waist + wider lats = equivalent taper.
He wins the abs-and-thigh for the same reason: better taper, wider lats and more etched abs/serratus. Ronnie might have an advantage in quad mass, but Dorian's are just as separated. Everyhting considered, Dorian takes it.
The side chest can go either way. Dorian's pectoralis are not as wide as Ronnie's from the front, but they're just as thick from the sides and riddled with striations. Dorian has comparable vastus lateralis. I think that wha t would tip the scales in Dorian's favor is his
lack of assymetries in this pose, haveing a complete look with calves.
Ronnie wins the front bouble biceps, in account of his bigger biceps and inner and meidal triceps heads that are at least as developed, and perhaps a little more - since Ronnie's arms were 1" to 2" bigger than Dorian's in his 1999 form.
There you have it: Dorian wins or at least ties the relaxed, due to his having greater overrall muscularity with an
overrall taper that's at least as good. He also wins five mandatories. Ronnie wins one or two. Game over.
He always tries to imply that "striations aren't important because Munzer never won anything" or "taper is not very important since Brian Buchanan never became Mr. O." etc etc
Again, taper is not a static quality from all angles in all positions of muscular contractions. Dorian has superb taper from the sides and in two of the three mandatories from the front. Teh
only time when Dorian has an inferior taper to Ronnie is while standing relaed from the front. From the back, his taper is at least as good as Ronnie's because, despite his thicker waist, his lats spread wider, thus the
differential between the lats and waist there - the taper - is superb. And no, striations are not an absolute requirement or even something that
necessarily add points to a bodybuilder's scores in a bodybuilding contest. Things such as vascularity and striations are evaluated as a part of conditioning an the judges might choose to give points based on there. Or not. They might, instead, give it to Dorian based on his granite-like dnsity. You lose.
Of course, he does this to try and downplay Ronnie's many many strengths.
You are a fool to think that a guy who won most of his Olympias with straight-firsts scores from
all judges in
all rounds didn't have many strenghs. Hulkster should teach the class on delusion 101...
and of course, everyone on this board save for one or two is smart enough to see right through ND's bizzaro arguments.
Yeah, the Ronnie fans, like Pumpster, are strong candidates to win the Pulitxer or the Fields Medal any day. A true cadre of geniuses...
SUCKMYMUSCLE
