Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

There's nothing to discredit.

Bodybuilding is subjective.

[pumpster]

There's nothing to discredit.

Bodybuilding is subjective.

Lameass rationalization.

[Hulkster]

Yes, and Cormier looked "better" than Ronnie in 98 too, what's your point. The biggest and best conditioning wins.

I would have judged things differently.

 no.




Chris has been soundly and fairly defeated by Ronnie each time they have met.

[pobrecito]

You all are pointless to argue with.

You haven't even seen the video, yet you want to judge a contest based on 2 pictures.

Cormier was better than Ronnie from the front in 98. Coleman was better from the back. I don't have any problem with Coleman winning, I think he deserved it. What I did have a problem with was Cormier placing 6th when he should have been 2nd.

[pumpster]

You all are pointless to argue with.

You haven't even seen the video, yet you want to judge a contest based on 2 pictures.

Especially since you have nothing; the proof is furnished by others while you sit there picking your ass. hahahaahahahahahaha

As they say: don't go away mad, just go away.

[pobrecito]

...you display the intelligence of a grade school student. Typical internet tactics trying to frustrate other posters. Fortunately for me (and the others participating in this thread), it only makes you look foolish and immature. And and in reality, your display of immaturity on this board likely reflects your demeanor in real life.

[pumpster]

you display the intelligence of a grade school student. Typical internet tactics trying to frustrate other posters. Fortunately for me (and the others participating in this thread), it only makes you look foolish and immature. And and in reality, your display of immaturity on this board likely reflects your demeanor in real life.

Bring on some proof. So far you're just another dumbass with a big mouth who can't prove anything.hahahaahahahaha hahah

Cormier was never close to Wheeler let alone Coleman; saying that shows your ignorance.

[NeoSeminole]

ND, the only guy who was close to Ronnie's 2003 size was Nasser and Fux.  Fux never quite got the conditioning.  Nasser did not know how to hit his back shot.  Dillet may have been close to that size, but his chest and back sucked.  Ronnie was thirty pounds bigger, in damn good shape, and would have been thicker than Dorian in every bodypart but calves.  However, to Dorian's credit he got in sick condtioning.  Thus, the show would have been very good.  I totally disagree that Dorian would be beaten soundly.  Dorian in 1993 is what I consider to be the second most muscular individual presentation to ever walk onto stage.  In 1993, his waist was also very tight.  Thus, I agree that he was completely spectacular.  In 1995, his conditioning may have been a tad better, but he had already lost half of his limbs (upper body).  Thus, the weakness would too much to overcome.  Besides, Coleman's calves may suck, but at least they are symmetrically lacking  .  Regardless, Dorian never beat a guy who was 285 and had the size and density of 2003 Coleman.  Then again, that year much have been a freak year for Coleman, because the only year he even came close was 2005.  He was still 15 or so pounds lighter, but in similar conditioning.

excellent post. I have tried to be as unbiased as possible. I even changed my stance about 99 Ronnie. I used to believe he would destroy a peak Dorian, but now I feel Dorian would give him a run for his money after viewing the pics and reading both sides' arguments. I will admit I carry a little bias in favor of Ronnie b/c I prefer aesthetics over blocky physiques.

[delta9mda]

to be perfectly honest, ND, this pic does look morphed.



compare:


both from 1993

dorian's arms look noticably bigger in the left shot.

i have both and am going to comare. the lighting in one is brighter so obviously you see more of yates arms

[delta9mda]

Coleman '95 & Yates would be close..

the yates pic is not him cerca 95. that is 92. get it right.

[pumpster]

the yates pic is not him cerca 95. that is 92. get it right.

Didn't say it was; you're cognitively challenged.

[NarcissisticDeity]

to be perfectly honest, ND, this pic does look morphed.



compare:


both from 1993

dorian's arms look noticably bigger in the left shot.

Is this the best you could manage? I don't use and never used morphed shots , that pic was scanned by me out of the magazine and it sits just like that ! I noticed that pumpster was fond of posting the one with the darker backround and I noticed the same thing about the pic of Yates doing the front double biceps at the 1994 Mr Olympia , either one of two things happened , someone fucked with the pics he posts or someone doesn't know how to scan , I would say its the latter , but enough with your nonsense , I don't use morphed pics .

[pumpster]

I don't use morphed pics

Translated: they may be but i don't know and won't admit it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

wow. it took you 475 pages but you actually made a good post for once!

congrats.

but here is the problem: on paper, all the advantages and disadvantages appear equal, because they are just words.

You can "add up the advantages and disadvantages" and think that gives you an idea of how close things are.

BUT this is physique comparisons. Not math class.

When you look to reality, you see that some advantages are much more important than others:

You are not in reality , you do even know what the judges were looking for lol Dorian's advantages are clear cut even if you deny them and which case you do only further shows your bias/ignorance

You're full of excuses and thats all you have left , Dorian meets most of what the judges are looking for better than Ronnie , I have shown this time and time again , Dorian had these advantages over every won he beat and thats why he had a stranglehold on bodybuilding for his whole career , that is reality and not the fantasy world you're in .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Translated: they may be but i don't know and won't admit it.

Classic pumpster when you have nothing to work with , resort to conspricy theories  yes it wasn't me who morphed the pic it was Joe Weider who handpicked Dorian Yates in the first place and realized that pumptser would get a clue about this because of Dorian's biceps aren't that big in reality , so he order Flex magazine to cover his tracks and they morphed the pic and detective-pumpster figured it all out 13 years after the fact on an internet message board and now knows the whole insedious plot to push a blocky-white-guy as Mr Olympia even though he really didn't deserve it .

[pumpster]

ND the weasel must be off the meds this weekend. I sense a pending emotional collapse.

-Pumpster threads - great BB content there you little stalker..hahahahaahahaha h

-A ridiculous "analysis" suggesting a "push" re: traps and hamstrings. ROFL

-If that color shot's not morphed ND will soon come up with a long-ignored second color shot to corroborate it. Still waiting, getting impatient. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

perfect example of the fact that TAPER can be very important in certain poses...


ND says otherwise, but the proof is in the pics.  Dorian has wide lats. But the waist ruins this effect to some degree.

This is exactly why you're not a judge , one thats not Dorian at his alltime best and two I love how you say Dorian's lack of taper ruins it for you yet the person who you think should have beat Yates in 1994 had no taper lol but thats okay? its okay for Shawns lack of taper that doesn't ruin it for you when it comes to beating Yates but when it comes to Yates beating Ronnie its another story , this is why you're biased

And like Arnold said whenever you do back shots and flex the calf and nothing happens the WHOLE pose is ruined , and in the latspread the judges look for a good spread of the lats that creates a v-taper , they don't say the guy with the best V-taper will automatcially beat the other even his he has no lowerlegs to speak of lol your ignorance and bias march one 470+ pages , but I will always correct you .

[pumpster]

Biceps - Ronnie without question

Triceps - Dorian has better shaped triceps

Forearms - Dorian again

Delts - I would say Ronnies are better shaped at his best

Traps - a push

Lats - Dorian has a better sweep to his lats and the insert lower

Quads - Ronnie better sweep

Hams - I would say hams are a push as far as shape is concerned Ronnie has the egde on detail

Glutes - Dorian has better shaped glutes because they don't stick out

Calves - Dorian

Abdominals - Dorian

Chest - Ronnie's chest has better shape even though his sidechest isn't as good as Yates

Midsection - Ronnie because its naturally narrower

This "analysis" is a piece of garbage.

All that empty rhetoric about "understanding" judging criteria, followed by something blatantly biased! You'd have been a perfect shill for some banana republic. Where were you when Hussein needed PR?

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND the weasel must be off the meds this weekend. I sense a pending emotional collapse.

-Pumpster threads - great BB content there you little stalker..hahahahaahahaha h

-A ridiculous "analysis" suggesting a "push" re: traps and hamstrings. ROFL

-If that color shot's not morphed ND will soon come up with a long-ignored second color shot to corroborate it. Still waiting, getting impatient. 

You having nothing to work with , I own you at every turn . and like Hulkster you love to gloss over and misquote me because it serves your purpose which is try ( keyword ) to bring Dorian down because you fear him , I said at their best and respective weights , Dorian & Ronnie are very compatable in terms of shape shape of their traps and hamstrings and Dorian easily has Ronnie beat in desnity & thickness of his traps at the same weight and Ronnie has Yates in detail of the hams , you can misquote me and I will always correct you .

[NarcissisticDeity]

This "analysis" is a piece of garbage.

To a garbage man like you it is    thats spot on in terms of shape , its objective and honest , things which you are clueless about.

[sculpture]

dear god

This truly is disgusting.

In the pic above two adonis's flank a grotesque of a bodybuilder who represents the antithesis of the ideal both those men present.

[pumpster]

This truly is disgusting.

This is a far more accurate analysis, without the need to be a long-winded blowhard.

ND's posts would look great on toilet paper.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This truly is disgusting.

In the pic above two adonis's flank a grotesque of a bodybuilder who represents the antithesis of the ideal both those men present.

Wow another master at stating the obvious , just in case you didn't know , I'll let you in on a little secret , Dorian never won because he had aesthetics 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Look at this disgusting monstrosity next to an ' adonis ' lol

[pumpster]

Dorian never won because he had aesthetics

That rules out most criteria, leaving "graininess" and "conditioning".