Wrong buddy, we are talking muscle here. Density of two comparable properties (muscles in this case) is indeed M/V. Thus, I concur that Dorian is denser. I just pointed out that Ronnie has fuller and larger muscle bellies. Yate's muscles appear to be like iron while other bodybuilders appear to have muscles that are almost spongey in appearance. Thus, the density issue. BTW, density is not in the guidelines for IFBB judging. ND point it out if I am mistaken. Regardless, Dorian is denser appearing (nod to you Sucky) with exceptional conditioning while Coleman is larger (even you cannot deny this) with excellent conditioning. Who would win, I have no clue. I am not an IFBB judge. ND is acting as asinine as Pumpster if he thinks Dorian is unbeatable. The man has plenty of flaws. However, his gifts definitely overwhelmed his deficits. Ronnie in 1999 and definitely 2003 would match and beat Doz. My opinion. Sorry. However, I am not arrogant enough to belittle the opposing viewpoint as Dorian was indeed great. Maybe a little hubris would be welcome from both sides.
But this is impossible. I'm sorry, but you're wrong. For you demonstrate that denity, in this case, is a physical and not a visual propoerty and that Dorian did, indeed, had greater density than Ronnie in this respect, you'd have to demonstrate two things:
1. That muscles can be squeezed into an areas without deforming it's size. This simply does not happen when it comes to muscular hypertrophy, evidenced by the fact that muscles do, indeed, increase in size as fibers hypertrophy. In fact, muscular hypertrophy is nothing more than an increase in the diameter of thousands of muscle myofibrils. The muscle does not respond to training by incrasing the amount of fibers in a given area, but rather by increasing the area occupied by each myofibril, thus resulting in an increase in the
total area of the muscle. For the muscle to increase in weight without increasing it's area, you'd have to demonstrate that muscle fibers can be squeezed into the same area. There is no empirical evidence of physiological motive for this to happen. In fact, you're well aware of the fact that the fascia eventually expands to to the increase in the total diameter of the muscle fibers contained in it, which results from the tincrease of the diameter of all the muscle fibers contained there.
2. You'd have to demonstrate that Dorian's muscles have greater physical density than Ronnie's. After all, this is the whole point of the argument: that Dorian can have smaller muscles despite weighting the same as Ronnie due to his greater density. In this case, density becomes a physical property. Well, let's see. Human muscle tissue is invariable; it doesen't change from person to person. In fact, the part of the DNA that codes for the production of human muscle tissue contains an absolute formula: it orders for the synthesis of actin and myosin, and determines the specific configuration for this to turn into muscle.
And actin and myosin are stable substances. Actin is always actin and myosin is always myosin. This means that the raw materials that composes the muscles of every bodybuilder is exactly the same. This means that Dorian's and Ronnie's muscles are composed of material that weight exactly the same. Now, you could have a point if you demonstrated that Dorian had greater
physical density in his muscles if he contained more muscle tfibers per square inch than Ronnie. Unfortunately, this is impossible for two reasons. The most inportant is that, even if the muscle fibers could be squeezed together, it wouldn't change the weight of a given area of muscle because, since the material always weights the same, it would always occupy the same area for a given weight. It doesen't matter if there are 100 or 1000 fibers in a given area: it will always weight the same, because, since the
total amount of tissue does not vary, and since the weightof it's raw material is the same for all humans, then any increase in weight results from an increase in area. For instance, Plutonium weights more than Iron because it's atom carries more protons inside it's nucleus than Iron. The physical desnity of material don't change, so if the materials that compose a certain object is the same, then one can only weight more than the other if it's bigger. Get it? Muscle fibers may or may not be able to be squeezed more in a given area, but it doesen't matter because, since the atomic configuration of it's raw material doesen't vary, then the total weight remains the same. Can you fit 2 pounds of cement in a bag designed to hold one pound? No.
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