Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

damn look at those bowling pin forearms Ronnie has....horrible

What the hell are you talking about? Ronnie has larger forearms in every one of those comparisons.

[NeoSeminole]

LMAO @ 93 Dorian having larger forearms than 03 Ronnie.

[pobrecito]

That's no more gut distension than Dorian in that pose. Ronnie has a gap in between his abs that causes his stomach to look convex. I guarantee you if you viewed both Ronnie and Dorian from the side, you would see they both have "distension" b/c they are pushing their sternums out to accentuate their lats. Furthermore, Ronnie is killing Dorian in taper in that pose.

bwahahah...you are joking right? You ain't fooling anyone. Ronnie CLEARLY has gut distenion in the front lat spread. Yates has NONE, his midsection is FLAT. Ronnie automatically loses the pose due to the gut distention.

[KTMckay]

yates is great but hes no Ronnie. ron kills him

[nicorulez]

  What the f**k? I never said that muscle density is physical; you did, when you said that muscle density is mass per volume! I have always said that I used the word density when it comes to muscles to imply hardness; it has absofuckinglutgely nothing to do with physics! It was NeoSeminole and you who said that muscles can vary in physical density between people and that's the reasons why Dorian's muscles looked harder.

   But I never did! I said that he looked denser. This has nothing to do with physics! It was NeoSeminole who said that Dorian's muscles could weight the same and be smaller because they are "denser"!  He was equating physical density with the way Dorian's muscles looked and that's simply not true. It is irrelevant who has greater physical muscle density between the two because there's no correlation between this and my definition of density as it applies to muscles, which is a purely visual one. Get it?

  But this is irrelevant! Even if true, there's no corralation between muscles having a greater physical density and looking harder! It doesen't matter, because Ronnie could look softer yet have muscles with a greater physical density. Get it? You gave me the definition of physical density, something that NeoSeminole argued about, not me! Yes, that's the definition of physical density, but what the f**k has this to do with a muscle looking a certain way? Huh? I never argued that the definition of density is mass per volume; my contention was that this is irrelevant, since NeoSeminole claimed Dorian's "denser" look was the result of greater physical density, and this is simply not true! He can argue that Dorian's muscles could be smaller than Ronnie's and yet weight the same, but he cannot use a visual appearance of "density" as an indication for this because there is no correlation between the two things. Damn!

  Dorian is denser to me because he looks harder. That's it. I never used the word "density" as in physical density; you did! You claimed that Dorian's muscles could be heavier or Ronnie's could be heavier, but this is irrelevant because the issue here is that there's no fucking correlation between physical density and the way Dorian's muscles looked. Get it? Geez!

  Density, to me, as it relates to bodybuilding, is an entirely subjective visual quality where Dorian's muscles looked harder than Ronnie's. No Plutonium does not look harder than Iron. So what? Again, it is you who is claiming that muscle density is somewhat related to physical density, not me.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Alright then, then that is all I ask.  I still don't get the bit about how density equates to hardness.  When I think dense I think compact and tight.  There is a spatial thought behind it.  If you are equating density with hardness and muscularity, then I agree that Dorian had him as he had better conditioning.  WHy didn't you just point this out ten pages ago, so I would not have gone into the physiology torture session.    Anyway man, no hard feelings.  I just read something that set me off.  However, one thing, Ronnie is more vascular and bigger.  Why doesn't he look dense?

[nicorulez]

  No problem. The explanation is exceedingly simple: density is not visual to indicate atomic density, but it is visual to indicate how hard a muscle looks. It is as simple as that. I never used the word literally, but rather metaphorically. Of course you can't indicate physical density by sight, but you can say that, for instance, ice looks denser than water, even if water is actually denser than ice. Get it? I would never say that Plutonium is denser, physically, than Iron by looking at it, but I can say that both Plutonium and Iron looks denser than water or cream. The word was used metaphorically, with a different conotation in a completely different context. Capisce?

  And speaking of ice, why should I admit defeat on something that I'm right about? You proved me wrong when it comes to having mistaken the density of water for that of ice, but my point was correct: water does vary in physical density in different states. Did you prove me wrong about that? No.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

I can kind of see your point.  However, if I get a shiney tin box and a block of wood wouldn't the metal look denser.  This may be some aspect of bodybuilding that I just don't get.  Is it even in the criteria for IFBB protocol?  Just asking as it seems to be very subjective.  If anything, those front shots of Ronnie in 2003 where he is flexing look to me to be the densest presentation ever.  No visible bodyfat or water especially in the split most muscular.  As for water, I am giving you shit.  Regardless, water is densest at 4 degrees celsius.  Peace all.

[NeoSeminole]

bwahahah...you are joking right? You ain't fooling anyone. Ronnie CLEARLY has gut distenion in the front lat spread. Yates has NONE, his midsection is FLAT. Ronnie automatically loses the pose due to the gut distention.

Pubecito, what the hell are you talking about? His stomach isn't exactly concave but you act like it was so horrible in the front lat spread. Hell, ND posted a shot from the side and Ronnie's stomach was actually flatter than Dexter's.

[nicorulez]

Neo, I think Pobrecito is riling the board up.  He called Sucky a cumstain.  That is not a usual term of endearment.  Pobrecito is probably fucking with you all> 

[pobrecito]

Pubecito, what the hell are you talking about? His stomach isn't exactly concave but you act like it was so horrible in the front lat spread. Hell, ND posted a shot from the side and Ronnie's stomach was actually flatter than Dexter's.

ND has actually posted a picture in the front lat where Ronnie's stomach is CONVEX and Cutler's is CONCAVE! Clear distention IN A POSE is something Yates never had and Coleman should be penalized for it.

[pobrecito]

dominance

[pumpster]

Neo, I think Pobrecito is riling the board up.  He called Sucky a cumstain.  That is not a usual term of endearment.  Pobrecito is probably fucking with you all>

Y-You mean pube's a troll? 

Quote from: pobrecito on Today at 07:20:42 AM
damn look at those bowling pin forearms Ronnie has....horrible

What the hell are you talking about? Ronnie has larger forearms in every one of those comparisons.

Neo, this douchebag doesn't comprehend yet that Yates' forearms LOOK bigger because his upper arms are SMALLER.

[Bear]

ND has actually posted a picture in the front lat where Ronnie's stomach is CONVEX and Cutler's is CONCAVE! Clear distention IN A POSE is something Yates never had and Coleman should be penalized for it.

You'd have to penalise him enough to override Ronnie's dominance in every other bodypart..except stupid tiny meaningless calves!

[pumpster]

Let's review a great thread on Yates' acknowledgement of Coleman's dominance.

Essentially Yates is confirming that the later Coleman's not the same one he beat, obliterating ND's blather about previous show results that Yates himself doesn't dwell on: 


Absorb this thoroughly, pubes:


http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=46222.0

[pumpster]

Quote from: pobrecito on Today at 08:11:03 AM
ND has actually posted a picture in the front lat where Ronnie's stomach is CONVEX and Cutler's is CONCAVE! Clear distention IN A POSE is something Yates never had and Coleman should be penalized for it.

You'd have to penalise him enough to override Ronnie's dominance in every other bodypart..except stupid tiny meaningless calves!

They'll hang onto this as long as possible: calves supposedly make up for dominance everywhere else. 

[suckmymuscle]

Alright then, then that is all I ask.  I still don't get the bit about how density equates to hardness.  When I think dense I think compact and tight.

  Dorian's muscles were more compact and tight than Ronnie's...

  There is a spatial thought behind it.  If you are equating density with hardness and muscularity, then I agree that Dorian had him as he had better conditioning.

  "Denser" means that muscle looks less soft, less water logged. I think this has do to with Dorian having less sub-cutaneous water than Coleman. Being dryer makes the muscle look harder.

WHy didn't you just point this out ten pages ago, so I would not have gone into the physiology torture session.

  Since I wasn't tortured and felt no pain, as my points on physiology were correct, then you have nothing to apologize. As for the water and ice analogy, you didn't get me there: you only showed that I mixed up the two. The basic fact continues valid: water and ice have uneven physical densities. Which is what I said from the start.

  Anyway man, no hard feelings.  I just read something that set me off.  However, one thing, Ronnie is more vascular and bigger.  Why doesn't he look dense?

  Maybe because he has a thick layer of water under his skin, and water smoothens out the physical appearance of muscles making him look less "compact and tight"?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Dorian's muscles were more compact and tight than Ronnie's...

  "Denser" means that muscle looks less soft, less water logged. I think this has do to with Dorian having less sub-cutaneous water than Coleman. Being dryer makes the muscle look harder.

  Since I wasn't tortured and felt no pain, as my points on physiology were correct, then you have nothing to apologize. As for the water and ice analogy, you didn't get me there: you only showed that I mixed up the two. The basic fact continues valid: water and ice have uneven physical densities. Which is what I said from the start.

  Maybe because he has a thick layer of water under his skin, and water smoothens out the physical appearance of muscles making him look less "compact and tight"?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

your entire post can be disprove with just a few simple pics:

both are 257. Ronnie shows extreme dryness and detail. Dorian looks smooth by comparison.

[carvedoutofwood]

even from the rear double bi.... dorian has to torque his arms and wrists at such and awkward angle it justs  kills him in any comparo...

[Hulkster]

Dorian's delts look like they are about to dine on his biceps:

and ND says this guy has such great balance

[carvedoutofwood]

Dorian's delts look like they are about to dine on his biceps:

and ND says this guy has such great balance

ok that’s hysterical… but very little to dine on…

[RocketSwitch625]

A 257lb Yates pwning a 295lb Coleman in hardness, shape and density. Coleman fans should be ashamed.

[carvedoutofwood]

A 257lb Yates pwning a 295lb Coleman in hardness, shape and density. Coleman fans should be ashamed.

ur 100% blind... yates in that picture gets housed in

[Hulkster]

I give Yates the side tricep and ab/thigh. Coleman wins everything else.

notice this quote from Pubecito after viewing the 99 Ronnie and 93 Dorian clips/videos..

now look how dumb he has become.

I now have to check and see if it is him posting or ND, I cannot tell them apart anymore.

he is obviously trolling.

[carvedoutofwood]

You sure Ronnie is 259 in that pic?  Either way Dorian is harder but Ronnie is better.  Better thighs for sure.

better shape.... much much more muscle... much smaller joints.... smaller waist

[RocketSwitch625]

You sure Ronnie is 259 in that pic?  Either way Dorian is harder but Ronnie is better.  Better thighs for sure.

Coleman is bow legged. He was born with rickets.

Pwned. LOL

[Hulkster]

I wish there were some screen caps of Ronnie doing the side chest and front lat spread from 99. Then we could really see how badly dorian gets owned.

99 Ronnie was in a league by himself.