Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND, if you think shawn is flexing his quad in that shot yet than you have a lot to learn:

Hulkster is that shot from 1994? no , and it doesn't matter if Shawn's quad looked better he wasn't overcomming Yates it was never going to happen , you set up strawmen and try an knock them down ( Shawns quad ) take it from me a person who knows more than you , Shawn Ray wasn't going to beat Lee Haney , he wasn't going to beat Dorian Yates , understand this.

[Hulkster]

Priest does not have better arms than 99 Ronnie.

maybe 2006 Ronnie, but certainly not 99.

[Hulkster]

In addition, and this is for both sides of this argument, you cannot use one person's best year to determine the better champion.  It has to be a compilation of every contest and the shape they were in.

well than Ronnie wins easily.

dorian had way too many bad post tear years.

[NarcissisticDeity]

well than Ronnie wins easily.

dorian had way too many bad post tear years.

I knew you would say that lol and man you couldn't be anymore wrong , hell 88% vs 40% wins , Yates never placed below second in a contest , you can't match that.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ding, ding, ding!!! I think Dorian is good and def huge but I don't he or Ronnie should have had consecutive victories.

Hel just on paper Ronnie had a LOT of close calls 98/01/02/04/ thats half of his run he came real close to losing .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Like I said, neither should have had consecutive wins.

Yates on paper was the clear cut winner in everyone of his Olympia wins , he never had a close call.

[RocketSwitch625]

Why did it matter if Yates' biceps didn't look fantastic in the front double biceps when he clearly pwned everyone in all other mandatory poses? His side triceps will never be beaten.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Why did it matter if Yates' biceps didn't look fantastic in the front double biceps when he clearly pwned everyone in all other mandatory poses? His side triceps will never be beaten.

Ecactly they set up strawmen and knock them down ( front double biceps ) don't worry he has most of the other mandatories well covered .

[suckmymuscle]

I have received a threatening PM from suckmydick Now I see why he made the top 5 meltdown list

  I didn't threaten you. Liar. I just asked why you called me cumstain, since I didn't say anything to you. It's obvious that you're a troll. You say that Ronnie would shit all over Dorian and then, a few pages latter say that Dorian would easily win. I personally couldn't care less anyway, since you joined this thread on page 300 or so when it was already old.

  It's funny, the Coleman side. No, really. Let's see:

  Hulkster posts the same Coleman shots from 1999 and believes that this would dominate Dorian. Never mind that contests are judged objectively, and that none of the things that Hulkster claims would make Ronnie dominate are even judged at a bodybuilding contest - such as vascularity, striations and Ronnie having  a smaller waist, when in reality what matters is taper and not waist. Never mins that, in none of his pics, Dorian is standing next to Ronnie in the same light and has all the other variables accounted for, such as them having similar posing oil and such.

  Pumpster is the stupidest of the Coleman side, making no comments worthy of being addressed. All he does is post some pics of Dorian from 1994, when Dorian's either standing from a bad angle, has poor tan, his posing oil is off or the like. Then, he posts pics from a 1999 Ronnie where he's standing onstage with a black background and the light is hitting his body directly, highlighting every separations and nuance. Or he posts Oliva's opinion as if it mattered. Never mind that several Mr.Olympias have said Dorian is the greatest ever, so Oliva's opinion is irrelevant.

  NeoSeminole is irrelevant, because he never replies to my posts, so I'm immediately assuming that he either secretly agrees with me or is intellectually incapable of replying.

  Then, there's Nicorulez, who apparently doesen't understant that the word "density" can be used metaphorically and arbitrarily, and not exclusively literally, the way physicists do it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Bear]

In addition, and this is for both sides of this argument, you cannot use one person's best year to determine the better champion.  It has to be a compilation of every contest and the shape they were in.

Well Ronnie's been more consistent than most. He pretty much had striated glutes and hams in every show, and he's won more show than anyone ever. So you can't really fault him there. He's gone a bit crap in the last two years cos he's so old, but he had 15 years or so of pro competing under his belt first.

[RocketSwitch625]

Front Double Biceps

Yates: Good                            

Ray: OK

Levrone: Good

El Sonbaty: Winner

Front Lat Spread

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: Pwned

Levrone: OK

El Sonbaty: Good

Side Chest

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: Good

Levrone: OK

El Sonbaty: Good

Rear Double Biceps

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: Good

Levrone: OK

El Sonbaty: Pwned

Rear Lat Spread

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: Pwned

Levrone: OK

El Sonbaty: OK

Side Tricep

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: OK

Levrone: Good

El Sonbaty: Good

Abdominal & Thigh

Yates: Clear Winner

Ray: Good

Levrone: Pwned

El Sonbaty: Good


So there you have it Coleman nuthuggers. Suck on this. Yates clearly wins every mandatory pose with the exception of front double biceps.

This is officially the end of the thread.

Thank you and goodnight.

[Bear]

That's pretty much the worst thread ever. Levrone side chest 'ok'. Ab and thigh, levrone 'owned' ?

[Bear]

   Hulkster posts the same Coleman shots from 1999 and believes that this would dominate Dorian. Never mind that contests are judged objectively, and that none of the things that Hulkster claims would make Ronnie dominate are even judged at a bodybuilding contest - such as vascularity, striations and Ronnie having  a smaller waist, when in reality what matters is taper and not waist. Never mins that, in none of his pics, Dorian is standing next to Ronnie in the same light and has all the other variables accounted for, such as them having similar posing oil and such.

 ........................ ...................

  Then, there's Nicorulez, who apparently doesen't understant that the word "density" can be used metaphorically and arbitrarily, and not exclusively literally, the way physicists do it.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Tell the 'striations' bit to Andreas Munzer. He based his carreer on them. And as far as using the word 'density' metaphorically and not literally: I thought we were having a real deabate, not some kind of figuritively pseudo-philosophical quasi-debate. In actual terms Ronnie's better, but metaphorically you can win if you want.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Well Ronnie's been more consistent than most. He pretty much had striated glutes and hams in every show, and he's won more show than anyone ever. So you can't really fault him there. He's gone a bit crap in the last two years cos he's so old, but he had 15 years or so of pro competing under his belt first.

Do you know anything about bodybuilding ? Ronnie's been more consistant? at what? being almost beaten , you have a point there , Ronnie has had 4 very close contest , close in the sense that he could have easily lost , 98/01/02/04 thats half of his run inconsistant , Yates on the other hand finished almost all of his Mr Olympia wins with straights firsts and never once had a close call he's been oen of the most consistant pros ever as well as one of the most dominant .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Tell the 'striations' bit to Andreas Munzer. He based his carreer on them. And as far as using the word 'density' metaphorically and not literally: I thought we were having a real deabate, not some kind of figuritively pseudo-philosophical quasi-debate. In actual terms Ronnie's better, but metaphorically you can win if you want.

The debate can be summed up mathematically Ronnie's win/loss percentage rate is just 40% Dorian's is 88% now if the two meet at thier respective bests who do you think the odds favor?

[Bear]

The debate can be summed up mathematically Ronnie's win/loss percentage rate is just 40% Dorian's is 88% now if the two meet at thier respective bests who do you think the odds favor?

Well firstly I was attempting to reply to Cap769867966whatever's post about Lee having more consistent arms or something, as was pointlessly argued earlier in this page.

Secondly I must assume I was right about the striations part of the argument.

And thirdly, I can concede a better percentage of on-ness to Dorian, so to speak, but Ron certainly got contest ready a lot more times in his carreer. He's done many more shows, and should not have his superiority lessened by the fact that he has kept going into his 40s through sheer love of the 'sport', or whatever you want to call it.

Er, fourthly, Ronnie's best is a fair amount better than Dorian's best so regardless of on-ness percentages and perfect scores ('97 were they joking?) Ronnie would win. Just because Dorian was at his best more often it doesn't mean his best compares to Ronnie's.

[Hulkster]

Er, fourthly, Ronnie's best is a fair amount better than Dorian's best so regardless of on-ness percentages and perfect scores ('97 were they joking?) Ronnie would win. Just because Dorian was at his best more often it doesn't mean his best compares to Ronnie's.

great post!

[pumpster]

Quote from: NarcissisticDeity on Today at 06:34:26 PM
The debate can be summed up mathematically Ronnie's win/loss percentage rate is just 40% Dorian's is 88% now if the two meet at thier respective bests who do you think the odds favor?

%?    Rampand nerdism.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Well firstly I was attempting to reply to Cap769867966whatever's post about Lee having more consistent arms or something, as was pointlessly argued earlier in this page.

Secondly I must assume I was right about the striations part of the argument.

And thirdly, I can concede a better percentage of on-ness to Dorian, so to speak, but Ron certainly got contest ready a lot more times in his carreer. He's done many more shows, and should not have his superiority lessened by the fact that he has kept going into his 40s through sheer love of the 'sport', or whatever you want to call it.

Er, fourthly, Ronnie's best is a fair amount better than Dorian's best so regardless of on-ness percentages and perfect scores ('97 were they joking?) Ronnie would win. Just because Dorian was at his best more often it doesn't mean his best compares to Ronnie's.

I don't know what you mean about the striations

and who cares if Ronnie competed more its quality NOT quantity , Yates never knew lower than second thats god damn impress much more impressive than competing and losing consistantly with an overall win percentage of just 40% and its NOT Yates fault he was always fighting for first and didn't have to be relegated to anything less than 2nd

Ronnie's best is a fair ammount better than Dorian's best in what regaurds? no size they both weighed 257lbs , not conditioning Yates has him there as well , not balance & proportion again Yates , not in posing , lets put it this way Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia wasn't even called out the the muscularity round because he was so far and above everyone else , they only called him out to please the aduience , and Ronnie 99 was off slightly from 1998 , 99 may have been Ronnie's personal best but that has nothing to do with Yates who enjoys some clear cut advantages on any version of Ronnie.

[Debussey]

I don't know what you mean about the striations

and who cares if Ronnie competed more its quality NOT quantity , Yates never knew lower than second thats god damn impress much more impressive than competing and losing consistantly with an overall win percentage of just 40% and its NOT Yates fault he was always fighting for first and didn't have to be relegated to anything less than 2nd

Ronnie's best is a fair ammount better than Dorian's best in what regaurds? no size they both weighed 257lbs , not conditioning Yates has him there as well , not balance & proportion again Yates , not in posing , lets put it this way Dorian at the 1993 Mr Olympia wasn't even called out the the muscularity round because he was so far and above everyone else , they only called him out to please the aduience , and Ronnie 99 was off slightly from 1998 , 99 may have been Ronnie's personal best but that has nothing to do with Yates who enjoys some clear cut advantages on any version of Ronnie.

Do you have a psychological disorder?

[NarcissisticDeity]

Do you have a psychological disorder?

Yes the Narcissistic Deity complex 

[TheAnimal]

Do you have a psychological disorder?

Its quite odvious you do... why do you ask?

P.S I watched a busey(MTV show) vid on youtube and he trains with weights so busey is a bodybuilder

[Debussey]

Yes the Narcissistic Deity complex 

You are good in academics like math, right?

[pumpster]

Do you have a psychological disorder?

hahahahaahahahah The master of self-delusion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

You are good in academics like math, right?

Oh god no !! math was never strong for me.