Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

LOL totally outclasses Dorian:

Let's me take you to school now little kid. How do you rebutt this Shawn get FUCKING DESTROYED on the ab/thigh. you cannot refute this.

Shawn Ray lost. Get over it.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Shawn Ray was left for dead in 1994 according to the judges , according to Yates , according to Shawn Ray himself , according to anyone who knows about bodybuilding , if Shawn was better he would have won period.

[Hulkster]

pubic, shawn is not even remotely done flexing in that shot.

Shawn ab and thigh crushes just about everyones, ronnie dorian, it doesn't matter.

the only person who could stand next to shawn in the ab and thigh and not get blow off the stage was Flex Wheeler.

the rest can go home:

[Hulkster]

Shawn Ray was left for dead in 1994 according to the judges , according to Yates , according to Shawn Ray himself , according to anyone who knows about bodybuilding , if Shawn was better he would have won period.

yes, just like if Jay was better he would have won in 2001 .

[NarcissisticDeity]

pubic, shawn is not even remotely done flexing in that shot.

Shawn ab and thigh crushes just about everyones, ronnie dorian, it doesn't matter.

the only person who could stand next to shawn in the ab and thigh and not get blow off the stage was Flex Wheeler.

the rest can go home:

Neither have any width in this pose , you're always bitching about how Flex couldn't beat Ronnie because of width , but Shawn can , can anyone say hypocrite ? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes, just like if Jay was better he would have won in 2001 .

He did lol both whole prejudging , what you don't understand is that never in the history of bodybuilding did anyone ever lose the prejudging and come back to ' win ' the posing rounds and the contest , I don't think it was a fixed contest but Ronnie was a extremely lucky bodybuilder like he was in 1998/2002/2004 his luck ended in 2006 but Ronnie did lose something in 2001 his reputation as being unbeatable.

[suckmymuscle]

dorian was soundly beaten in 94:

  Dorian was only soundly beaten, in 1994, by Dorian 1993! His overrall muscularity and lack of symmetrical weaknesses gave him the relaxed round flat out. As far as the mandatories goes, Dorian would dcefeat Shawn even in the front double biceps, because Shawn's biceps are not bigger than Dorian's overrall and Dorian's lats and quads are so much bigger. Dorian also has at least equivalent taper, because although his waist might be thicker, his lats are so much wider.

  I have laready explained this to you before. Dorian carried 55 lbs more of muscle than Shawn, and the latter possesed no real advantages over Dorian that would make the judges give him the nod. A bodybuilder can defeat a competitor who carries 55 lbs of muscle more than him, but only if his rival has very severe symmetrical flaws while the smaller guy has none whatoever and posses far superior muscular quality. This is why Shawn could never in a million years defeat Dorian:

 - Dorian carried 55 lbs more of muscle.

 - Although Shawn had no muscular disproportions, Dorian didn't have them either.

 - Dorian's structure is flawed(wide hips), but so is Shawn's(long waist, short legs).

 - Shawn only had an advantage in taper in the relaxed round from the front; in all other angles, they were roughly equivalent in taper.

 - Shawn had superior separations and striations than Dorian on some bodyparts, but Dorian was much harder overrall.

  So, in conclusion, Shawn couldn't defeat Dorian because the latter was simply too big while being still being very proportional. Add it up with the fact that Shawn had no advantage in conditioning, and it becomes evident that Dorian easily beat Shawn. I'm emphasizing the word "easily", Hulkster, to make it very clear to you that there's no chance in hell that Shawn would defeat Dorian. None. In fact, even if Shawn had a flawless structure - not the case - that still wouldn't be enough to compensate, because Dorian only has one structural flaw, equivalent muscular proportions and carries far more muscle. In other words, even an "up-graded" version of Shawn wouldn't defeat Dorian.

  I think you ignore my posts because yopu wish I just wen't away. You know I speak the truth. Well, let me assure you that I won't go away: spill out your bullshit for another thousand pages, and I will show your logical inconsistencies and biased assessments for what they are.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

the guys that think Dorian deserved to win are emphasizing physical size, sature and mass over muscular quality, detail and shape.

It is just a different preference, nothing more.

I prefer quality over quantity.

that is why I think Shawn deserved to win over the 94 yates

and that is why even though Ronnie and dorian both weighed 257 at their bests, In my opinion, Ronnie had the quality, shape and detail that dorian could not compete with.

and many many people happen to share my preferences..

[suckmymuscle]

the guys that think Dorian deserved to win are emphasizing physical size, sature and mass over muscular quality, detail and shape.

It is just a different preference, nothing more.

I prefer quality over quantity.

that is why I think Shawn deserved to win over the 94 yates

and that is why even though Ronnie and dorian both weighed 257 at their bests, In my opinion, Ronnie had the quality, shape and detail that dorian could not compete with.

and many many people happen to share my preferences..

  Read my previous post very carefully. It is not a matter of preference on my part. From an objective bodybuilding judging standpoint, it would be impossible for Shawn to defeat Dorian. It is not a matter of opinion.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pobrecito]

pubic, shawn is not even remotely done flexing in that shot.

And why does it even matter? Is he magically going to grow lats or bigger quads and calves by flexing

Just face it, Shawn was destroyed by Dorian in 94 and very lucky to get the place he did.

Case Closed.

[delta9mda]

  Dorian was only soundly beaten, in 1994, by Dorian 1993! His overrall muscularity and lack of symmetrical weaknesses gave him the relaxed round flat out. As far as the mandatories goes, Dorian would dcefeat Shawn even in the front double biceps, because Shawn's biceps are not bigger than Dorian's overrall and Dorian's lats and quads are so much bigger. Dorian also has at least equivalent taper, because although his waist might be thicker, his lats are so much wider.

  I have laready explained this to you before. Dorian carried 55 lbs more of muscle than Shawn, and the latter possesed no real advantages over Dorian that would make the judges give him the nod. A bodybuilder can defeat a competitor who carries 55 lbs of muscle more than him, but only if his rival has very severe symmetrical flaws while the smaller guy has none whatoever and posses far superior muscular quality. This is why Shawn could never in a million years defeat Dorian:

 - Dorian carried 55 lbs more of muscle.

 - Although Shawn had no muscular disproportions, Dorian didn't have them either.

 - Dorian's structure is flawed(wide hips), but so is Shawn's(long waist, short legs).

 - Shawn only had an advantage in taper in the relaxed round from the front; in all other angles, they were roughly equivalent in taper.

 - Shawn had superior separations and striations than Dorian on some bodyparts, but Dorian was much harder overrall.

  So, in conclusion, Shawn couldn't defeat Dorian because the latter was simply too big while being still being very proportional. Add it up with the fact that Shawn had no advantage in conditioning, and it becomes evident that Dorian easily beat Shawn. I'm emphasizing the word "easily", Hulkster, to make it very clear to you that there's no chance in hell that Shawn would defeat Dorian. None. In fact, even if Shawn had a flawless structure - not the case - that still wouldn't be enough to compensate, because Dorian only has one structural flaw, equivalent muscular proportions and carries far more muscle. In other words, even an "up-graded" version of Shawn wouldn't defeat Dorian.

  I think you ignore my posts because yopu wish I just wen't away. You know I speak the truth. Well, let me assure you that I won't go away: spill out your bullshit for another thousand pages, and I will show your logical inconsistencies and biased assessments for what they are.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

owned again.

[Hulkster]

And why does it even matter? Is he magically going to grow lats or bigger quads and calves by flexing

Just face it, Shawn was destroyed by Dorian in 94 and very lucky to get the place he did.

Case Closed.

no, he will get far more detailed abs and quads that make Dorian's look smooth and ugly by comparison. Both Shawns quads and abs put dorian's to shame. Having wider lats won't overcome these shortcomings.  And dorian's superthick waist isn't helping him either.

If there is one pose where quality matters over quantity more than any others, its the ab and thigh.

[Hulkster]

ps there is much irony in what you and ND are saying about this ab and thigh.

 because according to your arguments, that means that you both believe that Ronnie DESERVED to beat Dexter in the ab and thigh in 2004... all your talk about thicker lats and more mass etc. 

and of course, ND argued in the past that dex should have won that pose

hypocritical to the max. and a double standard of course...

 

[pobrecito]

Shawn Ray never looked this good in the ab/thigh.

Ronnie isn't even close. Ronnie looks like a grotesque turd in the ab/thigh.

Dorian's ab/thigh was just as good as Shawn's except with 60lbs more muscle. No comparison.

[Hulkster]

Dorian carried 55 lbs more of muscle than Shawn, and the latter possesed no real advantages over Dorian that would make the judges give him the nod.

no real advantages my ass:



the problem with your long winded arguments sucky, is that their main premises are usually wrong.  this is but just one example of an argument based on flawed reasoning that is easily disproved.

thus, the conclusion does not follow based on the premises because they are wrong in the first place.

It was not an impossibility that shawn could beat dorian.

[pobrecito]

1st off Dorian isn't fully posing there yet whereas Shawn is trying his hardest to flex his monster frame.

Secondly, Dorian has everything Shawn does and more. Better balance and proportion, and most importantly per the IFBB judging criteria, more dense mass.

[pobrecito]

Post a Shawn Ray picture that can match this.

To be Mr. Olympia you have to be the best on stage from the back. That is why Ronnie won in 98 (Cormier and Flex were better from the front than Ronnie).

[Hulkster]

Shawn Ray never looked this good in the ab/thigh.

Ronnie isn't even close. Ronnie looks like a grotesque turd in the ab/thigh.

Dorian's ab/thigh was just as good as Shawn's except with 60lbs more muscle. No comparison.

bullshit:

shawn's ab and thigh was as good as they get:

[pobrecito]

you are delusional.

Shawn looks horrible in that shot becuase of his lack of taper. And his midsection was no more detailed than Yates. I also see he is sticking out his tiny calf.

Yates destroys him.

[Hulkster]

1st off Dorian isn't fully posing there yet whereas Shawn is trying his hardest to flex his monster frame.

Secondly, Dorian has everything Shawn does and more. Better balance and proportion, and most importantly per the IFBB judging criteria, more dense mass.

he's fully flexing here and shawn makes him look like petrified dog shit:


no advantages my ass.

trying to argue against the quality of Shawn Ray is a losing battle, just as it is with Ronnie 99:


this physique outclassed dorian in 94...

[pobrecito]

Shawn looks putrid there. Very narrow and small. No balance. Too many structural flaws as well.

[pobrecito]

And this is what happened when Shawn tried to play with the big boys

[Hulkster]

Alright, listen up:

earlier in the thread, you guys were arguing that Flex could beat Ronnie despite having narrow lats and not nearly as much muscle mass....

Now, you are saying that it is impossible for Shawn to beat Dorian because of narrow lats and not as much muscle mass...

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS RETARDS!!

 
what a double standard that applies to Ronnie (vs. Flex) but not to Dorian (vs shawn)

unbelievable.

your own biases caught red handed.

 

[pobrecito]

Alright, listen up:

earlier in the thread, you guys were arguing that Flex could beat Ronnie despite having narrow lats and not nearly as much muscle mass....

Now, you are saying that it is impossible for Shawn to beat Dorian because of narrow lats and not as much muscle mass...

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS RETARDS!!

 
what a double standard that applies to Ronnie (vs. Flex) but not to Dorian (vs shawn)

unbelievable.

your own biases caught red handed.

 

I've never said that. The IFBB judging criteria clearly calls for dense mass.

Your issue is not with Yates as much as it is with the judging criteria.

Yates fits the criteria better than Ray did, plain and simple.

And you really can't compare Flex and Shawn, even Flex carried a lot more mass than Shawn.

[pumpster]

Both Yates and Cutler look like a million dollars if you focus only on washboards and overlook the WIDTH of those waists! Holding their arms overhead also helps create the illusion of a smaller waist...until their arms are by their sides..

We know what that looks like..


I present you the block brothers: Yates & Jay..