Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

And the funny thing both of those guys beat Coleman

[NarcissisticDeity]

And the funny thing both of those guys beat Coleman

Bowflex owned lol

[Delusional Liberal]

Both Yates and Cutler look like a million dollars if you focus only on washboards and overlook the WIDTH of those waists! Holding their arms overhead also helps create the illusion of a smaller waist...until their arms are by their sides..

We know what that looks like..


I present you the block brothers: Yates & Jay..

dude, how small do you want their waists to be?  ronnie coleman beats cutler and yates, BY FAR, but their waists really arent bad at all considering the mass they carry.

[Hulkster]

ronnie coleman beats cutler and yates, BY FAR

ND, Pubic and Sucky take note:

you guys have by far the bizzarro and unusual and unsupported opinion.

[pobrecito]

Hulkster, you queef,

Many a people agree with us.

You are just too blind to see it.

Explain why the judges gave him straight firsts. Explain why he was the crowd favorite? Refute claims by his competitors that he was untouchable.

[pobrecito]

Let me explain why he got straight firsts since you are too dumb/hateful to post good pictures.

[pobrecito]

more demolition of the IFBB field.

[pobrecito]

The most dominant bodybuilder of all-time, irrefutably.

[pobrecito]

more

[pobrecito]

Monster owning of hulkster

[Hulkster]

Hulkster, you queef,

Many a people agree with us.

very few people are ignorant enough to think that dorian's best would beat Ronnie's best.

people know mass with class when they see it:

[Hulkster]

Alright, listen up:

earlier in the thread, you guys were arguing that Flex could beat Ronnie despite having narrow lats and not nearly as much muscle mass....

Now, you are saying that it is impossible for Shawn to beat Dorian because of narrow lats and not as much muscle mass...

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS RETARDS!!

 
what a double standard that applies to Ronnie (vs. Flex) but not to Dorian (vs shawn)

unbelievable.

your own biases caught red handed.

 

ND you have got a lot of explaining to do....

[pobrecito]

very few people are ignorant enough to think that dorian's best would beat Ronnie's best.

people know mass with class when they see it:

Ronnie looks like a fucking inverted bowling pin there.

Yates destroys him per the pictures I posted.

[BEAST 8692]

back (upper and lower and everything all bigger thicker and much much harder), chest (thicker, harder and more striations minus the bitch tits too), calves (absolutely incomparable - dorian's make ronnie's look like someone who's been in a wheel chair for 10 years), delts (much much thicker, more balanced, harder, more striated - ronnie's delts look like an amateur version of yates), triceps (i can barely see ronnie's in a side triceps - nothing freaky at all), forearms (no comparison), abs (in fact the whole trunk area annihilates ronnie - ronnie's a mess here), traps (much thicker and visible all the way down the middle of his back - ronnie's fade away), conditioning, hardness, dryness.

prime dorian is granite. ronnie is sloppy and bloated by comparison.

dorian all the way. the judges, competitors, anyone with any degree of knowledge of the musculo skeletal system, hell even ronnie agrees.

case closed

[pumpster]

back (upper and lower and everything all bigger thicker and much much harder), chest (thicker, harder and more striations minus the bitch tits too), calves (absolutely incomparable - dorian's make ronnie's look like someone who's been in a wheel chair for 10 years), delts (much much thicker, more balanced, harder, more striated - ronnie's delts look like an amateur version of yates), triceps (i can barely see ronnie's in a side triceps - nothing freaky at all), forearms (no comparison), abs (in fact the whole trunk area annihilates ronnie - ronnie's a mess here), traps (much thicker and visible all the way down the middle of his back - ronnie's fade away), conditioning, hardness, dryness.

prime dorian is granite. ronnie is sloppy and bloated by comparison.

dorian all the way. the judges, competitors, anyone with any degree of knowledge of the musculo skeletal system, hell even ronnie agrees.

case closed

And despite all that, reality has a way of rudely intruding on those neat n' tidy rationalizations:

[pumpster]

PUBES with more copying-sounds exactly like ND. Have to give ND credit for his willingess to go back & forth between accounts. Good work. 

The most dominant bodybuilder of all-time, irrefutably.

PUBES proving an utter lack of credibility-now Yates is better than any other BB ever. Thanx for the setup, you look like a moron in light of these pics. haahahahaahahaha

[pumpster]

Hulkster, you queef,

Many a people agree with us.

You are just too blind to see it.

Explain why the judges gave him straight firsts. Explain why he was the crowd favorite? Refute claims by his competitors that he was untouchable.

PUBES sounding more and more like ND (copying is what he does best). Many people agreeing = voices inside his head, let's face it. Otherwise it's just PUBES, ND, SUCKY and crickets.

Then on to the well-worn ND recital of judging history, as if that has ANYTHING to do with it. Stay focused! Judging's irrelevant here, except to the desperate.

[BEAST 8692]

judging criteria is essential.

imagine if we had people like you with no idea judging contests.

seriously, how many bodybuilders would want to be in a contest with you as the judge? someone who says that lee priest had 'NO detail or condition' in his arms or that yates had 'no detail or condition' in his back. then you say that robby robinson has 'similar density' to yates lmfao were you always this stupid or did you have to take lessons.

if the bber is not black they have no detail or condition according to pumphulkster. btw, if you are going to post in 2 accounts at least change the end of the user name . bit of a giveaway there 
 

[pumpster]

judging criteria is essential.

imagine if we had people like you with no idea judging contests.

seriously, how many bodybuilders would want to be in a contest with you as the judge? someone who says that lee priest had 'NO detail or condition' in his arms or that yates had 'no detail or condition' in his back. then you say that robby robinson has 'similar density' to yates  lmfao were you always this stupid or did you have to take lessons.

if the bber is not black they have no detail or condition according to pumphulkster. btw, if you are going to post in 2 accounts at least change the end of the user name . bit of a giveaway there 

A troll making accusations in the continued absence of any content whatsoever's always amusing. Next he'll be talking about "standards". hahahahahaahha

Some of the decisions over the years completely discredit your reverence to judging-either you're naive or are conveniently keeping quiet about the obvious discrepancies that devalue their work. I give you permission to endeavor to look beyond your nose, learn to read between the lines within the context of a commercial enterprise that holds a "contest" every year but is accountable to no one. You're a follower.

As far as my observations, in addition to your distortions and blanket claims, if you'd done your homework and been with the thread from the beginning you'd comprehend that i've supported what i've said with evidence, so has Hulkster. In addition, some top BBs have said exactly what i've said-are they also no good, fool? And the getbig poll, that's not worth anything either, because you say so? hahahaahahahahh

You on the other hand do precious little more than troll. Very little or no proof of ANYTHING. Empty rhetoric; you're shooting blanks again. But hey, there's more trolling in your future..

Beast = master of nothing.

[BEAST 8692]

Some of the decisions over the years completely discredit your claims. I give you permission to endeavor to look beyond your nose, learn to read between the lines within the context of a commercial enterprise that holds a "contest" every year but is accountable to no one. You're a follower.

As far as my observations, if you'd done your homework and been with the thread from the beginning you'd comprehend that i've supported what i've said with evidence, so has Hulkster. You on the other hand do precious little more than troll. Empty rhetoric; you're shooting blanks again.

there you go with those empty conspiracy theories again. i could just imagine if you were the judge, you'd give the decision to vince goodrum over yates because he has 'similar density, but more deatil and conditioning'.

what evidence you idiot? 'evidence' that only exists in the empty head of pumphulkster.

rehashing the same distorted blurry photos of '99 ronnie over and over and over again against yates between poses, post contest, etc does not reveal anything but the fact that you are biased and ignorant and that you realize that your agument is futile so you constantly put a spin on every comparison pic.

pathetic really. if you really believed what you were typing you wouldn't need to would you?

[pumpster]

Beast in his continued dopeyness not yet cognizant of the fact that it only takes one suspect contest result to demolish his theory. Already accomplished many times over. I've gone through this in detail much earlier, he'll just have to get off his ass and do the work.

Who but an out and out dolt would actually take an organization run by Weider at face value? I'll make it simple for those who don't get it-the AMI/Schwarzenegger problems a while back were just the tip of the iceberg. An indication of what transpires that was only revealed because of disclosures necessitated by Schwarzenegger's position. The naivete here runs deep..Listen i have a bridge for ya..

For those who are too lazy to think for themselves, Sergio's new book and one that will eventually come out by Dickerson will cast some light on what they can't figure out for themselves.


Beast: king of baselessness.

[pumpster]

Exactly what judging criteria justified this winner? 

Remarkable the continued guillibility demonstrated by these suckers re: "judging".

Weider has always been a highly commercial, privately-held enterprise accountable to no one. There are no state or national bodies charged with rendering or maintaining judging standards or standards of any other, for that matter.

The guillible in particular should read Oliva's book, and Dickerson's when it comes out.

[BEAST 8692]

Beast in his continued dopeyness not yet cognizant of the fact that it only takes one suspect contest result to ruin his theory. I've gone through this in detail much earlier, he'll just have to get off his ass and do the work.

Who but an out and out dolt would actually take an organization run by Weider at face value? I'll make it simple for those who don't get it-the AMI/Schwarzenegger problems a while back were just the tip of th iceberg, only revealed because of disclosures necessitated by Schwarzenegger's position. The naivete here runs deep..Listen i have a bridge for ya..

not quite. there is always human error, bias and what not (you are the poster boy for that), but most times REAL judges get it right.  

if your theories were actually correct then how do you explain your very black fantasy winning all those olympia titles year after year . what about lee haney? chris dickerson? sergio oliva?

funny how arnold came to america, competed, lost to zane and then did something about it ie got some calves and got cut. sergio spat his dummy and ran off to another org, but just got more and more smooth. hated dieting aparently. wonder if he'll tell you that one in the book. of course the man is going to blame others for his failures. he has throughout the rest of his career, why not now. chris dickerson? who the fuck is he again. oh right, he's that black guy with the calves and the 16 inch arms. please inform me of anyone who thinks that he was good enough to deserve more than one olympia.

the truth is that people like you want to believe that it's all so unfair because it gives you an excuse for being such a nobody.

maybe you should go find that bridge and jump off it.

  

[suckmymuscle]

no real advantages my ass:

  Well, let's see. Muscularity is 50% of the official judging criteria. Check. Dorian had tons of it more than Shawn, and his muscles looked harder. Symmetry, the other 50% of the judging, goes either wat because both Dorian and Ray are equivalent in muscular proportionality, and they're both flawed structure-wise. So yes, Dorian does have, undoubtedly, a huge advantage over Shawn.

the problem with your long winded arguments sucky, is that their main premises are usually wrong.  this is but just one example of an argument based on flawed reasoning that is easily disproved.

  What premisses of mine are wrong? Elucidate that to me. No, seriously, I want to hear that! Analyse this carefully and you'll see that my premisses and the logical deductions I make are completely right. Here goes:

 - Muscularity is very important in bodybuilding, because what sets bodybuilders aside from people who don't bodybuild are their larger muscles. Check.

 - Dorian had far more muscularity than Shawn. Check.

 - Shawn did not compensate for this by being more symmetrical - Shawn's muscles were not completely proportionaly developed and Dorian's only muscular disproportionality were his relatively small biceps. Check.

 - Shawn did not compensate for this by having a superior structure - Dorian's structure was flawed with wide hips, but Shawn's also was with his long waist and short legs. Check.

 - Shwan did not compensate for this with having an advantage in muscular quality sufficient enough to overcome Dorian - Shaw had more striations and separations on some bodyparts over Dorian, but so did Yates, and Dorian's musculature was harder.

  So, in conclusion, Hulkster, I'm going to make it very simple for you:

  Dorian Yates defeated Shawn Ray because he had far more quantity than Ray, and Ray did not have any significant advantage in quality to compensate for that.. Game over.

thus, the conclusion does not follow based on the premises because they are wrong in the first place.

  I just gave you a lesson in deductive loigic, 101.

It was not an impossibility that shawn could beat dorian.

  Maybe on a parallel universe, where where the laws of logic are inverted, and where a bodybuilder with no quality advantage over another and far less muscle size is considered to be better.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Alright, listen up:

earlier in the thread, you guys were arguing that Flex could beat Ronnie despite having narrow lats and not nearly as much muscle mass....

Now, you are saying that it is impossible for Shawn to beat Dorian because of narrow lats and not as much muscle mass...

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS RETARDS!!

 
what a double standard that applies to Ronnie (vs. Flex) but not to Dorian (vs shawn)

unbelievable.

your own biases caught red handed.

 

  It's called the "abs" and "thighs", right? This means that both the thighs and the abs are put into the equation while evaluation dominance at this mandatory.

  I have already posted the abs-and-thighs shot of Ronnie from the 2004 Olympia, snd it is evident that both Dexter and Jay defeated him there. Now, Dexter was a push, because although his taper was infinitely superior to Ronnie's and his abdominal separations were on another league altogether, Ronnie's quad size advantage could not be overlooked. Personally, I don't think that a guy with a protruding stomach and no abs/serratus separations should win this mandatory, but there's no question that Ronnie's quads were humoungous. So while Ronnie might defeat Dexter, I think Ronnie's distended gut ruins the whole psoe for me. Now, as for Cutler, it is obvious that he defeated Ronnie at this shot, because he had enough quad mass to hold his own against Ronnie, but with the added plus of vastly superior abs.

  Now, when it comes to Dorian, Ronnie is flat out lost: Dorian has the best abs-and-thighs ever for a guy over 250 lbs, bar none. His taper is fantatic, becaue although his waist is thick, his lats are so incrdibly wide. His quads are not the biggest...but close enough, ais abs' serratus are as good as Wheeler's! No contest. It's not a double-standard, Hulkster, because all thinhs are put into the equatuion when evaluatinmg this ;pose, from quad and lat muscularity to midsection, and the bottom line is that Dorian had the best overrall package at this mandatory ever seen. Look at the pics below showing Dorian doinmg this mandatory at the 1996, 1993, 1994 and 1997 Olypias, and you'll see that, when taking everything into account, Dorian had the best abs-and-thigh ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE