Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[tweeter]

yeah, definately looks tight there; I've been studying this thread alot recently and I've come to the conclusion that Ronnie was definately better in 99 and maybe 98 and the 2001 ASC but overall, Dorian was the better bodybuilder throughout his career.

[Pecs]

yeah, definately looks tight there; I've been studying this thread alot recently and I've come to the conclusion that Ronnie was definately better in 99 and maybe 98 and the 2001 ASC but overall, Dorian was the better bodybuilder throughout his career.

Well said! 

[fonz]

when Dorian tore his bi and tri he still didnt look like that......

[fonz]

big Dorian.......the shadow

[IceCold]

yeah, definately looks tight there; I've been studying this thread alot recently and I've come to the conclusion that Ronnie was definately better in 99 and maybe 98 and the 2001 ASC but overall, Dorian was the better bodybuilder throughout his career.

i personally think coleman's best year is 03.

in 99 he looked great, but would not beat yates.  yates is too well conditioned and has too much density from head to toe - regardless if coleman has some better bodyparts (biceps, quads, not chest - coleman always has gyno).

in 03 coleman was huge and that would be very competitive for dorian.

not only was dorian a better bber throughtout his career, but far more dominant.  yates started and ended his career at the top.  coleman started his career at the bottom and how things look now, he'll end that way as well.

yates beat better guys more convincingly than coleman did.  whether or not you agree with the scores or not, HULKSTER, that's reality. 

would coleman have beaten the same guys that yates did - nasser, flex shawn, kevin, paul, etc. all in their prime?

i dont think so.  he struggled against gunter, jay, dexter and a sub par flex and a best of cormier who still would not have beaten any of the above mentioned guys at his best

you claim yates had political wins but provide no explanation was to why? 


yates retired with a legacy.  he was the most dominant bber of all time.  he beat the best guys that this sport has ever seen year in and year out .  there have never been so many great bbers all competiting against each other at the sime time (1990's).  coleman was a part of the 90's but was a tier b guy. 

also, yates changed the way people train and diet.  he brought conditioning to a new level.  after he retired, people not only remember his physique, but also his training and nutritional methods.  he was a pioneer in the ways people train and approach the concept of overtraining. 

ronnie may have 8 olympia wins, but other than that what will his legacy be?  he didnt do anything revolutionary (unless you count plasma expanders) or have as much as an impact that dorian did - even after yates retired.

i know this has nothing to do with how they look, but just another difference between the two. 

[Bear]

ronnie may have 8 olympia wins, but other than that what will his legacy be? 
 

Lol! Well he didn't invent the telephone or anything like that, but he won as many contests as Haney. 8 is more than 6! Watch the 2003 prejudging and tell me Yates would have stood a chance. A little dryer yes, but still without the lines in his ass and glutes like coleman at 287. Say what you want about his gut but in that video it's on good form.

[NarcissisticDeity]

i personally think coleman's best year is 03.

in 99 he looked great, but would not beat yates.  yates is too well conditioned and has too much density from head to toe - regardless if coleman has some better bodyparts (biceps, quads, not chest - coleman always has gyno).

in 03 coleman was huge and that would be very competitive for dorian.

not only was dorian a better bber throughtout his career, but far more dominant.  yates started and ended his career at the top.  coleman started his career at the bottom and how things look now, he'll end that way as well.

yates beat better guys more convincingly than coleman did.  whether or not you agree with the scores or not, HULKSTER, that's reality. 

would coleman have beaten the same guys that yates did - nasser, flex shawn, kevin, paul, etc. all in their prime?

i dont think so.  he struggled against gunter, jay, dexter and a sub par flex and a best of cormier who still would not have beaten any of the above mentioned guys at his best

you claim yates had political wins but provide no explanation was to why? 


yates retired with a legacy.  he was the most dominant bber of all time.  he beat the best guys that this sport has ever seen year in and year out .  there have never been so many great bbers all competiting against each other at the sime time (1990's).  coleman was a part of the 90's but was a tier b guy. 

also, yates changed the way people train and diet.  he brought conditioning to a new level.  after he retired, people not only remember his physique, but also his training and nutritional methods.  he was a pioneer in the ways people train and approach the concept of overtraining. 

ronnie may have 8 olympia wins, but other than that what will his legacy be?  he didnt do anything revolutionary (unless you count plasma expanders) or have as much as an impact that dorian did - even after yates retired.

i know this has nothing to do with how they look, but just another difference between the two. 

Great post !!

[Hulkster]

ronnie may have 8 olympia wins, but other than that what will his legacy be?  he didnt do anything revolutionary (unless you count plasma expanders) or have as much as an impact that dorian did - even after yates retired.

what will his legacy be?

hmmmm...

perhaps:

1. winning 8 olympia titles, pehaps even 9.

2. Winning the Arnold Classic, something that dorian never did, nor did any Mr. Olympia - Jay might if he chooses to do the contest now that he is Mr. O. but we will have to see.

3. Winning more pro contests than anyone else in history, including dorian.

4. competing at 287 pounds and in better shape than anyone at that weight in 2003.

5. Being on the Roseanne Barr talk show. dorian wanted to come on but Roseanne kicked his ass and gave him another black eye.

[Hulkster]

he didnt do anything revolutionary (unless you count plasma expanders) or have as much as an impact that dorian did - even after yates retired.

explain what you mean by "impact" - see my list above.

I would say that is better impact than tearing your biceps badly early in your pro career and coasting by from that point on.

Comparing Ronnie's tear and dorian's tear is stupid.

Dorian tore his biceps in only his third year as a pro.

Ronnie tore his triceps after competing as a pro for 12 years - and after winning 8 Olympia titles, no less.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what will his legacy be?

hmmmm...

perhaps:

1. winning 8 olympia titles, pehaps even 9.

2. Winning the Arnold Classic, something that dorian never did, nor did any Mr. Olympia - Jay might if he chooses to do the contest now that he is Mr. O. but we will have to see.

3. Winning more pro contests than anyone else in history, including dorian.

4. competing at 287 pounds and in better shape than anyone at that weight in 2003.

5. Being on the Roseanne Barr talk show. dorian wanted to come on but Roseanne kicked his ass and gave him another black eye.

Winning 8 Olympia titles mostly over ho-hum competition , and half of which he came very close to losing

Dorian never wanted to do the Arnold apparently this isn't anything to brag about its a major contest for sure but it almost cost him the Olympia that year

Again put his contest winnings in context he was just a 40% win/loss ratio he lost a hell of a lot more than he won

competed at 287lbs and looked 9 months pregnant

[NarcissisticDeity]

Lol! Well he didn't invent the telephone or anything like that, but he won as many contests as Haney. 8 is more than 6! Watch the 2003 prejudging and tell me Yates would have stood a chance. A little dryer yes, but still without the lines in his ass and glutes like coleman at 287. Say what you want about his gut but in that video it's on good form.

Dorian had striated glutes , again this isn't a great indication of OVERALL conditioning Ronnie had striated glutes in 2004 and he was waterlogged

[pumpster]

competed at 287lbs and looked 9 months pregnant

Prior to delivery..

[NarcissisticDeity]

Prior to delivery..

I always laugh when a Coleman fan posts a picture of a gut 

[Hulkster]

why? your hero had a huge gut at his best at 257 too!

[NarcissisticDeity]

why? your hero had a huge gut at his best at 257 too!

Coleman had one at 244 pounds  monster forearms

[pumpster]

That's not a horrible pic of Coleman, considering the size of his arms to his waist, whereas this one's comedic:

[Hulkster]

Dorian breaks his silence and gives his opinion:

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian breaks his silence and gives his opinion:

yes he did and he says

" See that GUT? I NEVER had a gut like this " 

[Hulkster]

you claim yates had political wins but provide no explanation was to why? 

well, I'm not sure political is the right word.

He won because he was predominantly BIGGER not necessarily BETTER than Shawn, Flex or Kevin.

He won because of a flawed standard of judging that awarded perfect scores to a physique that was routinely bested by many people in many poses - this thread has mountains of evidence for that, not necessarily political in the sense that he was weider's poster boy and he had to win for marketing, image etc., because neither Yates nor Ronnie had really been that..

hell, no one has except Arnold himself.

[NarcissisticDeity]

well, I'm not sure political is the right word.

He won because he was predominantly BIGGER not necessarily BETTER than Shawn, Flex or Kevin.

He won because of a flawed standard of judging that awarded perfect scores to a physique that was routinely bested by many people in many poses - this thread has mountains of evidence for that, not necessarily political in the sense that he was weider's poster boy and he had to win for marketing, image etc., because neither Yates nor Ronnie had really been that..

hell, no one has except Arnold himself.

He won because he met the criteria better than his contemporaries thats why he won , YOU think Shawn Ray is beating him in shots , your opinion doesn't constitute as ' mountains of evidence ' the judges scores     
speak volumes of how much better he looked vs his competition and you can't trump that .

[Hulkster]

the judges scores     
speak volumes of how much better he looked vs his competition and you can't trump that .

no, I can't and I don't have to:

the pics and vids speak for themselves:

the perfects scores never should have happened:

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, I can't and I don't have to:

the pics and vids speak for themselves:

the perfects scores never should have happened:

What an obnoxious statement  the perfect scores shouldn't have happened , you're just upset because before you starting posting here you thought Ronnie was untouchable and you bought into the HYPE of Ronnie being unbeatable and once I examined his career and showed you how beatable he was and how he NEVER dominated bodybuilding the way Dorian Yates did , I bursted your bubble lol

Hulkster's opinion doesn't carry any weight , the judges spoke and Dorian Yates DOMINATED in a way Ronnie Coleman never could !! while Dorian had a stranglehold on the pro circuit Ronnie was doing the chicken dance at 230 pounds , Ronnie was never a threat to Dorian , look at Yates his first Mr Olympia contest he won the muscularity round from the first eight time Mr Olympia while weighing just 239lbs !! Dorian was a threat to Haney in his first contest and Ronnie was dead last

I'll sum this up with a quote by Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

[Hulkster]

another meltdown by ND relying on quotes rather than concrete visual evidence as usual.

if dorian was so dominating and perfect 80% of the dorian pics on this thread would not exist.

but they do.

and for a very good reason:

he was vastly overrated when you compare reality to the numbers on the scoresheets.

 

[pumpster]

you claim yates had political wins but provide no explanation was to why?

According to nutty ND logic, only those things that are 100% provable are possible. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

another meltdown by ND relying on quotes rather than concrete visual evidence as usual.

if dorian was so dominating and perfect 80% of the dorian pics on this thread would not exist.

but they do.

and for a very good reason:

he was vastly overrated when you compare reality to the numbers on the scoresheets.

 

So you're back to stating he's vastly overrated? lol and Hulkster how is it a meltdown when you're the one who pretending to know more than the judges ? you're basing an entire contest on a few magazine scans and compressed video , you've melted down by stating the judges are wrong and Hulkster is right , you have nothing to work with.