Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

 

[suckmymuscle]

I smell domination..

  I think you're mistaking that for the smell of the dumpster you live in...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

this isn't rocket science - you are comparing Fux and Harrison to Flex Freakin' Wheeler and bloody Shawn Ray?

  And yet, Both Fux and Harrison would efeat Flex Wheeler and Ray, and there goes 50% of the points.

those guys were bigger but lacked the quality that Flex, Shawn, etc. possessed.

  No, they lacked structure and had too many symmetrical flaws to defeat Flex and Shawn. Hint: Fux and Harrison are not Dorian Yates!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Pumpster is right though, ronnie's arms in 99 would have made dorian's look small.

  Utter bullshit. Ronnie's arms were 21" or 22" in 1999, only an inch or so bigger than Dorian's. Ronnie's muscle bellies are rounder than Dorian's, so this gives him an impression of being bigger than they really are - an analogy: Wheeler. Regardless, Ronnie's very small advantage in arm size is irrelevant, since Ronnie's advantage in inner and medial triceps head size and biceps are only visible from the front, while flexing the arms. Since he wins the front double biceps anyway, what's your point?

Ronnie's arms were absolutely massive.

  And so were Dorian's!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

 

[Hulkster]

And yet, Both Fux and Harrison would efeat Flex Wheeler and Ray,

and you wonder why I say most of your premises are wrong?

 

Fux and Harrison are not even in the same league as a shawn ray or a flex wheeler.

not even close:



 

[pobrecito]

once again, you keep looking at dorian by himself in closeup shots and drooling over him.  In 91, put him next to someone (Haney) and things change just like I have said they always do. dorian's impact goes out the window. don't get me wrong - impressive yes, but not nearly to the same degree as all these close up solitary shots.

how many more times do I have to keep illustrating this to you guys with pic after pic after pic?

Yates is just absolutely killing Haney there, especially on the back double bi.

Also, Haney's legs were TINY!

How the fuck does Dorian weight 239 and be more muscular than a 250lbs Lee Haney? He was in much better condition.

Haney was gifted his last Mr. O victory.

Haney is the most overrated bodybuilder of all-time. #2 is Coleman due to his many lackluster Olympia wins culminating with 2002 being booed off the stage due to looking like a pancake with a gut.

[delta9mda]

once again, you keep looking at dorian by himself in closeup shots and drooling over him.  In 91, put him next to someone (Haney) and things change just like I have said they always do. dorian's impact goes out the window. don't get me wrong - impressive yes, but not nearly to the same degree as all these close up solitary shots.

how many more times do I have to keep illustrating this to you guys with pic after pic after pic?

yates won the muscularity round fool.

[pobrecito]

and you wonder why I say most of your premises are wrong?

 

Fux and Harrison are not even in the same league as a shawn ray or a flex wheeler.

not even close:



 

Once again, you are a hypocrite. You cry foul when anyone posts a picture of Yates by himself, and then you post that garbage of midget Ray. Put Shawn next to a rock hard 260lb Dorian or 255lb Levrone and he looks small and lackluster in comparison.

[Hulkster]

yates won the muscularity round fool.

and he lost the contest, just as Ronnie in 99 size and shape would win over Yates.

[Hulkster]

Once again, you are a hypocrite. You cry foul when anyone posts a picture of Yates by himself, and then you post that garbage of midget Ray. Put Shawn next to a rock hard 260lb Dorian or 255lb Levrone and he looks small and lackluster in comparison.

as you can see, I prove you wrong once again.

[pobrecito]

and he lost the contest, just as Ronnie in 99 size and shape would win over Yates.

Haney was gifted the 91O.

He was dwarfed by Dorian essentially - especially the legs - yet he was still allowed to win.

I'm not really sure how Haney was deemed to have better symmetry than Dorian considering Dorian usually received perfect symmetry scores in all of his olympia wins.

[pobrecito]

as you can see, I prove you wrong once again.

Thanks for proving my point with pictoral evidence.

Shawn has NOTHING there that Dorian doesn't, except Dorian has 60lbs more muscle.

Being 205lbs and sharp and detailed like Ray was is much, much harder at a bodyweight almost 60lbs higher.

For example, Look at Shawn in 1995 at both the Arnold Classic and Olympia. He tried to beef up to about 218 and look what happened....he came in poor condition (for him) and he lost a lot of his superior lines and detail compared to 94 where he was about 12lbs lighter.

Really you have to wonder WHY Shawn didnt put more muscle on. Did he not go heavy on the drugs? No insulin use? No GH use? Maybe he didnt want to get bigger as he knew it would only be detrmental.

[pobrecito]

Note: I don't want to take anything away from Shawn Ray, I think he was an outstanding bodybuilder. But, the reality is, based on the judging criteria, he was never a threat to Dorian.

Hulkster, your true problem is not with Yates, but rather with the judging criteria. Yates fit the criteria better than Ray did. End of case.

[delta9mda]

and he lost the contest, just as Ronnie in 99 size and shape would win over Yates.

one has nothing to do with the other and i was at the 91 mr o. if yates had won, nobody would have objected.

[pobrecito]

one has nothing to do with the other and i was at the 91 mr o. if yates had won, nobody would have objected.

Based on the pictures I have seen, Yates should have won. He win in superior condition, carried more lean muscle, and his legs absolutely drarfed Haney's. Even Haney's famed back was inferior to Dorian's. I'm not so sure how Haney won

[suckmymuscle]

and you wonder why I say most of your premises are wrong?

  Actually, I forgot to include "in the muscularity round". That qualifies my statement. I forgot to write that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

  Actually, I forgot to include "in the muscularity round". That qualifies my statement. I forgot to write that.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

they still would NEVER have beat fux or Ian in the musclarity round because their quality far far far exceeded anything that fux/harrison ever presented.

just ask ND - he will tell you all about how flex could beat larger men and why.

[pumpster]

Thanks for proving my point with pictoral evidence.

Shawn has NOTHING there that Dorian doesn't, except Dorian has 60lbs more muscle.

Being 205lbs and sharp and detailed like Ray was is much, much harder at a bodyweight almost 60lbs higher.

For example, Look at Shawn in 1995 at both the Arnold Classic and Olympia. He tried to beef up to about 218 and look what happened....he came in poor condition (for him) and he lost a lot of his superior lines and detail compared to 94 where he was about 12lbs lighter.

Really you have to wonder WHY Shawn didnt put more muscle on. Did he not go heavy on the drugs? No insulin use? No GH use? Maybe he didnt want to get bigger as he knew it would only be detrmental.

What those pics prove is that Yates doesn't stand out in any of them.

[suckmymuscle]

they still would NEVER have beat fux or Ian in the musclarity round because their quality far far far exceeded anything that fux/harrison ever presented.

  Completely wrong! Oh, my! How can you spill out such stupidity? Of course Fux would defeat Wheeler in muscularity, since he carried 60 lbs of muscle more! The sheer width and thickness of Fux lats would destroy Flex from the back. This is not even a discussion! Thicker pecs, much larger quads, etc. Wheeler defeated Fux because he had a better overrall package, which included better taper from practically every angle and every pose, less symmetrical flaws and also that Wheeler's muscular quality appeals far more from a bodybuilding standpoint than Fux's. Wheeler defeating Fux has a lot more to do with Fux's flaws than with Wheeler's strenghs.

just ask ND - he will tell you all about how flex could beat larger men and why.

  He beat larger men because he was more classically proportional from head to toe than them. And also because judges preferred the quality of his muscularity, the separations and how round his muscles were. Like I've already explained to you before, things like separations, shape, etc, are not objectively evaluated by a bodybuilding judging criteria, which is only concerned with muscularity and the proportions with which this muscle is distributed. However, judges can subjectively prefer a competitor's structure, shape, striations, vascularity over another and give him the nod based on that. This is also how Shawn Ray defeated much larger guys: although they defeated him for muscularity, he compensated with superior symmetry, which, combined with the preference of the judges for his lines, details, etc, made him win. It is noteworthy, nevertheless, that both Ray and Wheeler were defeated by bigger guys who lacked these things, which clearly points out that muscularity is overwhelmingly important. You're out of your mind if you think Wheeler ever defeated Fux for muscularity. For symmetry? Yes. Conditioning? Definitely. Did the judges prefer the quality of his muscularity over Fux's? Undoubtedly. Was Wheeler more muscular? Most definitely not! That's like saying that Labrada defeated bigger guys because he was more muscular.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

Of course Fux would defeat Wheeler in muscularity, since he carried 60 lbs of muscle more! The sheer width and thickness of Fux lats would destroy Flex from the back. This is not even a discussion!

1999 Mr. Olympia.

note the placings of Flex, Shawn, and Fux:

1   Ronnie Coleman
 
2   Ken Wheeler (Flex)
 
3   Chris Cormier
 
4   Kevin Levrone
 
5   Shawn Ray
 
6   Nasser El Sonbaty
 
7   Paul Dillett
 
8   Lee Priest
 
9   Dexter Jackson
 
10   Milos Sarcev
 
11   Mike Matarazzo
 
12   Markus Ruhl
 
13   Ernie Taylor
 
14   Pavol Jablonicky
 
15   Jay Cutler
 
16   Jean Pierre Fux
 
 


sucky, what we are dealing here is a problem of semantics.

to you the term 'muscularity" does not include characterstics such as shape of the muscle and muscular detail. It is only about size to you.

Problem is, the judges and everyone else considers these things in the context of bodybuilding.

Thus, in the muscularity round flex and shawn place near the top, and a huge guy like Fux will be lucky to make the top 10.

[suckmymuscle]

1999 Mr. Olympia.

note the placings of Flex, Shawn, and Fux:

1   Ronnie Coleman
 
2   Ken Wheeler (Flex)
 
3   Chris Cormier
 
4   Kevin Levrone
 
5   Shawn Ray
 
6   Nasser El Sonbaty
 
7   Paul Dillett
 
8   Lee Priest
 
9   Dexter Jackson
 
10   Milos Sarcev
 
11   Mike Matarazzo
 
12   Markus Ruhl
 
13   Ernie Taylor
 
14   Pavol Jablonicky
 
15   Jay Cutler
 
16   Jean Pierre Fux
 
 


sucky, what we are dealing here is a problem of semantics.

to you the term 'muscularity" does not include characterstics such as shape of the muscle and muscular detail. It is only about size to you.

Problem is, the judges and everyone else considers these things in the context of bodybuilding.

Thus, in the muscularity round flex and shawn place near the top, and a huge guy like Fux will be lucky to make the top 10.

  His placing is irrelevant, since you've just confirmed what I said: Wheeler has better structure, symmetry and the quality of his muscularity is superior; hence, he defeated Fux. Does Wheeler have a greater muscularity than Fux? No. And you're dead wrong: muscularity refers only and especifically to muscular development. Period. As muscles develop through hypertrophy, they become bigger. Fux had bigger muscles than Wheeler: he was more muscular. The shape and separations of muscles is not, I repeat not included in the category of muscularity. An Aushwitz prisoned might has less developed muscles than an average man, yet, due to his extremely low bodyfat, he might have much greater separations, vascularity, striations, etc, than an average man. And "shape"does not change as muscles develop, since shape is genetic. Muscularity, by definition, refers only to the hypertrophy of one's muscles. You cannot be more muscular than another bodybuilder if your muscles are smaller. Wheeler's muscles were rounder, prettier and had more separations than Fux, and that's why he defeated him. The bottom line is this: muscularity is synomimous with muscular hypertrophy. Trying to argue that Wheeler was more muscular than Fux is ridiculous.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[pumpster]

SUCKMYDICK'S BEEN STALKING ON OTHER BOARDS USING A LINK PUBES WAS ON...LOSING THIS THREAD, 2 TIER-Bers GETTING DESPERATE.

hahahahahhahahahaahahaha haha

[pumpster]

This is from the other thread that Pubes directed him to.

Hulkster, this is priceless..did you know we were dealing with someone this qualified?

Check it out: this "student of physiology" can't even spell resistance properly. What a DUMBASS! hahahaahahahahahahaahaha hahahahah

SUCKY "explaining" reality to us:
Actually, I have a degree in physiology of exercise, so there goes your credibility.  The basis of resistence training is damaging the myofibrils and the sarcomers. Cheating on the eccentric part of an exercise is not merely dangerous - due to the specific contractile properties of myosin -, but also counter-productive, because most of the damage to the sarcomers occurs in the eccentric part of the exercise. You'll seriously hurt someone with your advice, Poopster, and I think it's sad you try to pose as an expert when you're most definitely not specialized in sports medicine or exercise physiology.


Notice he says i'm an expert, which is what he himself must think.

[pumpster]

"RESISTENCE"...THIS FROM A "STUDENT OF PHYSIOLOGY".
hahahahahaahahahahahahah ahahaha

Stop it SUCKY you're killin' me! I can't breathe! hahahahahahahaahahahahah ahaahahahahh

[pumpster]

THANKS SUCKY, THAT WAS CLASSIC! YOU & PUBES ARE TIER-B AT IT'S FRIGGIN BEST!

BTW someone on the training board just handed him his ass for posting that crap. hahahaahahahaahahahaahah ahahahahahahah