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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15050 on: November 28, 2006, 02:09:20 PM »
The sad FACT is that a scrawny mid-90s Coleman was neck-and-neck with the over-rated Yates, who rarely if ever dominated:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15051 on: November 28, 2006, 02:18:04 PM »
in the non-ironage world, there is no comparison between Ray and Zane:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15052 on: November 28, 2006, 02:20:18 PM »
No he wasn't you're full of shit here is Ronnie 96 far and above  ::)

sure his lower back was just as detailed.

but the rest of him looked way too scrawny and comparatively narrow.

yes, narrow.

you should see what ronnie's back looked like width wise in 95/6 compared to 99.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15053 on: November 28, 2006, 02:20:29 PM »
Flex wheeler was never at his best when losing to dorian because Flex only came in at his "best" a few times and it was certainly never at the O.  Flex's best showings:

92 nationals
93  ASC

good showings:
93 O
97/98 ASC (not sure which it is that certain people tout as his best)
99 O

Flex played the size game because he was not GOOD enough when small to beat Dorian OR Ronnie... and he wasn't good enough when blown up either.


Lets take a look at something:

92 O:

1st Dorian
2nd Levrone

Flex not in competition

93 O

1st Dorian
2nd Flex (not what he was at the ASC,)

94

1st Dorian
2nd Shawn Ray

Flex did not compete

95 Olympia

1st Dorian
2nd Levrone

Flex was 8th...

96 Olympia

1st Dorian
2nd Shawn Ray

Flex was 4th

97 Olympia

1st Dorian
2nd Nasser

Flex withdrew (ninjas anyone)

Dorian faced an "ON" flex wheeler ONCE... ONCE!!!  Its not like they were great rivals.  Ronnie had to beat an "ON" flex once as well (99 O) and beat him too. Ronnie only "barely" beat flex because ronnie wasn't even in the first callout at the 98 O as the judges didn't notice him in the first round.  Had ronnie gotten the callouts he deserved, he would've trounced flex at the 98 O.  Flex was a "name" and the heir apparent.  Ronnie was not.

Flex looked much better when he faced Yates than he did Ronnie thats a fact !! in fact Flex never looked at good as he did in 1993 after his accident he was never the same , Shawn speaks on that in this quote

Shawn on Flex Wheeler


Wheeler's genetically gifted , but sometimes he would drag through his workouts when I trained with him. I thought he was awesome in his first Olympia, he placed second to Dorian. But Wheeler's NEVER again matched that condition.


Flex by 98 was a shell of his former greatness , he was full of oil and self destructed due to self doubt before the 1998 Mr Olympia he speaks on this in his book Flexability he started missing work-outs , cheating on his diet , etc

Ronnie was a very lucky bodybuilder in 1998 , Lucky Flex fucked-up his own game plan and lucky the judges  didn't pick Flex on name alone and the fact he was the heir apparent , he may have been overlooked in the first call-out but he quickly surpassed Flex and Flex was behind at the end of the prejudging , he knew it and tried to pull out all the stops in the posing round and still lost

Ronnie just barely beat Flex in any contest nevermind at the 1998 Mr Olympia another quote establishing this fact

quote Flex magazine Jan 1999

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.


Clearly Ronnie beat a less then perfect Flex , and he did it just barely by the skin of his teeth by 3 points ! three-fucking-points !! this to my knowledge is the closest Mr Olympia in the history of the sport , and Ronnie 98 while improved wouldn't be able to put a dent into Yates no questions about it , he fair much better in 99 but he's still lacking to Yates


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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15054 on: November 28, 2006, 02:22:38 PM »
The sad FACT is that a scrawny mid-90s Coleman was neck-and-neck with the over-rated Yates, who rarely if ever dominated:

Hulkster you're setting up strawmen to knock them down in a pathetic attempt to prove your point ! NO ONE is comparing Ronnie 92 0r 94 to Dorian except you  ::) 1996 Ronnie was an established top tier Pro who beat Flex Wheeler he was 250 pounds a weight that he never looked better at and was missing only one thing outstanding conditioning .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15055 on: November 28, 2006, 02:27:55 PM »
Who has eight Sandows and 26 pro wins and who doesn't?

Not Shawn Ray !!  ;)

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15056 on: November 28, 2006, 02:33:45 PM »
ND just gets owned repeatedly in this thread... i feel embarassed for him.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15057 on: November 28, 2006, 02:35:46 PM »
The sad FACT is that a scrawny mid-90s Coleman was neck-and-neck with the over-rated Yates, who rarely if ever dominated:


lmfao neck-and-neck one was winning Sandows and one was dead last doing the chicken dance .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15058 on: November 28, 2006, 02:37:13 PM »
ND just gets owned repeatedly in this thread... i feel embarassed for him.

Thats your response to my post? lol is that the best you could manage? kid come back when you have some weight.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15059 on: November 28, 2006, 02:38:31 PM »
Ronnie 1996

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15060 on: November 28, 2006, 02:41:08 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15061 on: November 28, 2006, 02:41:45 PM »
Hulkster you're setting up strawmen to knock them down in a pathetic attempt to prove your point ! NO ONE is comparing Ronnie 92 0r 94 to Dorian except you  ::) 1996 Ronnie was an established top tier Pro who beat Flex Wheeler he was 250 pounds a weight that he never looked better at and was missing only one thing outstanding conditioning .

The sad reality is that the pics don't lie-it's a dead heat. ND once again trying to deflect away from the ugly reality shown here:

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15062 on: November 28, 2006, 02:42:58 PM »
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15063 on: November 28, 2006, 02:43:48 PM »
Thats your response to my post? lol is that the best you could manage? kid come back when you have some weight.

"Old man,"  i'm 24 and i have been posting here since the original board was around.  I could repeat what has been said about you being in denial or not looking at pictures or not admitting that coleman beats yates.  But i guess you're NOT tired of that.  Multibanded striations, better shape, more size and more symmetry generally equate to a better bodybuilder.  But according to you they just equal small calves and a film of water.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15064 on: November 28, 2006, 02:45:13 PM »
The sad reality is that the pics don't lie-it's a dead heat. ND once again trying to deflect away from the ugly reality shown here:

dead heat if that was the case why didn't Ronnie win the 1992 Mr Olympia? racism? why did he place dead last? you're weak pumpy you need more than that.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15065 on: November 28, 2006, 02:59:39 PM »
in the non-ironage world, there is no comparison between Ray and Zane:


Two totally different pics. No one values your childish comments.

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15066 on: November 28, 2006, 03:09:31 PM »
"Old man,"  i'm 24 and i have been posting here since the original board was around.  I could repeat what has been said about you being in denial or not looking at pictures or not admitting that coleman beats yates.  But i guess you're NOT tired of that.  Multibanded striations, better shape, more size and more symmetry generally equate to a better bodybuilder.  But according to you they just equal small calves and a film of water.

Again you're not addressing my points ! you claimed Ronnie faced an " on " Flex thats not true , Flex was a hell of a lot better when he faced Dorian and he got his ass handed to him ! maybe you missed this quote

Shawn on Flex Wheeler


Wheeler's genetically gifted , but sometimes he would drag through his workouts when I trained with him. I thought he was awesome in his first Olympia, he placed second to Dorian. But Wheeler's NEVER again matched that condition.


its common knowledge Flex was never the same after his accident , and using Shawn Ray's quote seeing you think mine isn't accurate I proved to you using his contemporaries assessment that Ronnie never faced an " On " Flex Wheeler and if he did he would have been soundly beaten , reguardless of his new conditioning

Let me school you again , Flex magazine spotlights that Flex was off in 1998

quote Flex magazine Jan 1999

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.


Ronnie was 100% Flex was NOT and paid the price , so genius please explain to me how Ronnie Coleman faced an " ON " Flex Wheeler in 1998? you can't , he didn't and he paid the price.

I'm now going to add insult to injury Flex Wheeler admitting he was off at the 1998 Mr Olympia and what would happen if he was on

Flex Wheeler

It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!


You're dead wrong I proved you dead wrong and I could care less how long you have been posting , you're still dead wrong , and like most of the other guys on this thread you need to learn a lot you're 24 I've been following bodybuilding since you were a baby , I've forgotten more than you can hope to learn ! don't cheery pick the criteria for things you consider to be Ronnie's strengths and omit his blatant weaknesses

Yates has striations in his lower lats lower back in the likes Ronnie never had , Dorian has striations in his chest as well , having more striations isn't going to shift a contest one way or the other , Shape? how about the shape of Ronnie's calves? how about the shape of his triceps? how about the shape of his abdominals? seratus? forearms? how about the shape of Ronnie's bitch-tits? how about the shape of his glutes that stick out and can be seen from the front? Ronnie does have an edge in shape in some parts and others he don't

More size? when not in 1998 he was down eight full pounds of muscle couple that with being an inch taller , 1999 he was the same weight as Yates but not as dry

Symmetry ? symmetry in the purest form of the word means left/right equality , both aren't exactly equal on both side of the body , in fact no one is

How about Yates advantages that the IFBB judging criteria clearly calls for , Dorian smokes Ronnie in muscular balance and proportion from one muscle to the next

How about muscle density ? Yates smoked everyone in density

How about conditioning? Yates was the biggest and dryest bodybuilder , it was his hallmark

You can pick and choose what you personally like and what you think looks better but that has NOTHING to do with what would win in a bodybuilding contest , for anyone to dismiss Yates as nothing special shows how little they know

Yates NEVER finished below second in a professional contest , that speaks volumes of how great he was , 17 contests 15 wins never placed below 2nd in a contest , Yates dominated among the highest caliber fields in the history of bodybuilding and Ronnie 1998/1999 is supposed to walk all over him  ::) many people underestimated how great Dorian was and they all paid the price for it .

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15067 on: November 28, 2006, 03:16:00 PM »


Yates NEVER finished below second in a professional contest , that speaks volumes of how great he was , 17 contests 15 wins never placed below 2nd in a contest , Yates dominated among the highest caliber fields in the history of bodybuilding and Ronnie 1998/1999 is supposed to walk all over him  ::) many people underestimated how great Dorian was and they all paid the price for it .

 ::)

you say it as if there lies this intagible aspect that exists in other sports.... there doesnt... it isnt like arguing MJ was the greatest because of how resiliant and and confident he was..."put him against anyone and you'll see he's greatness"... BBing isnt that kinda sport... its judged and however u look is how you look.... the pictures and videos dont lie... line them up, and very very very few people SAVE the dorian nuthuggers will disagree with ronnies clear superiority

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15068 on: November 28, 2006, 03:22:43 PM »
::)

you say it as if there lies this intagible aspect that exists in other sports.... there doesnt... it isnt like arguing MJ was the greatest because of how resiliant and and confident he was..."put him against anyone and you'll see he's greatness"... BBing isnt that kinda sport... its judged and however u look is how you look.... the pictures and videos dont lie... line them up, and very very very few people SAVE the dorian nuthuggers will disagree with ronnies clear superiority

exactly.
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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15069 on: November 28, 2006, 03:22:50 PM »
::)

you say it as if there lies this intagible aspect that exists in other sports.... there doesnt... it isnt like arguing MJ was the greatest because of how resiliant and and confident he was..."put him against anyone and you'll see he's greatness"... BBing isnt that kinda sport... its judged and however u look is how you look.... the pictures and videos dont lie... line them up, and very very very few people SAVE the dorian nuthuggers will disagree with ronnies clear superiority

This is the point that I think ND deliberately pretends doesn't exist. BB does not have the same degree of integrity as legit competitive sports, nor is it determined in front of everyone in concrete fashion, using largely undeniable criteria.

Therefore to rely on contest results and/or "judging criteria" is laughable-an effort to create legitimacy that doesn't exist.[/b]

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15070 on: November 28, 2006, 03:24:54 PM »
Again you're not addressing my points ! you claimed Ronnie faced an " on " Flex thats not true , Flex was a hell of a lot better when he faced Dorian and he got his ass handed to him ! maybe you missed this quote

Shawn on Flex Wheeler


Wheeler's genetically gifted , but sometimes he would drag through his workouts when I trained with him. I thought he was awesome in his first Olympia, he placed second to Dorian. But Wheeler's NEVER again matched that condition.


its common knowledge Flex was never the same after his accident , and using Shawn Ray's quote seeing you think mine isn't accurate I proved to you using his contemporaries assessment that Ronnie never faced an " On " Flex Wheeler and if he did he would have been soundly beaten , reguardless of his new conditioning

Let me school you again , Flex magazine spotlights that Flex was off in 1998

quote Flex magazine Jan 1999

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.


Ronnie was 100% Flex was NOT and paid the price , so genius please explain to me how Ronnie Coleman faced an " ON " Flex Wheeler in 1998? you can't , he didn't and he paid the price.

I'm now going to add insult to injury Flex Wheeler admitting he was off at the 1998 Mr Olympia and what would happen if he was on

Flex Wheeler

It's true I didn't quite duplicate my condition at the Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic. if I'd been able to do that , I would have won EASILY !!


You're dead wrong I proved you dead wrong and I could care less how long you have been posting , you're still dead wrong , and like most of the other guys on this thread you need to learn a lot you're 24 I've been following bodybuilding since you were a baby , I've forgotten more than you can hope to learn ! don't cheery pick the criteria for things you consider to be Ronnie's strengths and omit his blatant weaknesses

Yates has striations in his lower lats lower back in the likes Ronnie never had , Dorian has striations in his chest as well , having more striations isn't going to shift a contest one way or the other , Shape? how about the shape of Ronnie's calves? how about the shape of his triceps? how about the shape of his abdominals? seratus? forearms? how about the shape of Ronnie's bitch-tits? how about the shape of his glutes that stick out and can be seen from the front? Ronnie does have an edge in shape in some parts and others he don't

More size? when not in 1998 he was down eight full pounds of muscle couple that with being an inch taller , 1999 he was the same weight as Yates but not as dry

Symmetry ? symmetry in the purest form of the word means left/right equality , both aren't exactly equal on both side of the body , in fact no one is

How about Yates advantages that the IFBB judging criteria clearly calls for , Dorian smokes Ronnie in muscular balance and proportion from one muscle to the next

How about muscle density ? Yates smoked everyone in density

How about conditioning? Yates was the biggest and dryest bodybuilder , it was his hallmark

You can pick and choose what you personally like and what you think looks better but that has NOTHING to do with what would win in a bodybuilding contest , for anyone to dismiss Yates as nothing special shows how little they know

Yates NEVER finished below second in a professional contest , that speaks volumes of how great he was , 17 contests 15 wins never placed below 2nd in a contest , Yates dominated among the highest caliber fields in the history of bodybuilding and Ronnie 1998/1999 is supposed to walk all over him  ::) many people underestimated how great Dorian was and they all paid the price for it .

I can't pick and choose that ronnie would beat Dorian in a contest at their respective best.  Show me pics where Dorian looks like ronnie did at the 99 O.  Show me where he's ever had that type of separation, size and balance.  It doesn't take anything away from Yates greatness that he couldn't beat ronnie.  

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15071 on: November 28, 2006, 03:26:45 PM »


Therefore to rely on contest results and/or "judging criteria" is laughable-and effort to create legitimacy that doesn't exist.[/b]

plus this is bodybuilding, since when do they care about the criteria... the sport has an ideal... arnold preaches it in PI... Larry Scott was IT... and although few BBs/judges today know what IT is... 99 Ronnie had it... and yates never did

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15072 on: November 28, 2006, 03:31:54 PM »
this is a repost... but it needs to be read and reread by MD and family


dorian WAS great, and I am a fan... but this is like argueing with my father about how he thinks ALI would beat Lenox Lewis... I'm like "Dad, Ali was great but he was just over 6 feet tall weighing in at 210 at something like 18% bF, the guy never lifted a weight in his life... Lenox lewis is 6'7' 275 at something like 5.5% on game day... lifts heavy weights everyday..."

everyone has their Hero's but the reality is SPORT evolves and athletes progress... dorian was in his prime a decade b4 ronnie... alot changed ... goce graci (spelling) was "unbeatable" in the UFC at an unlimited weight class weighing like 170lbs... now everyone knows his submissions and how to defend them... and the guy whos champion at the unlimited weight is like 6'9"

i cant imagine it, and might wanna resist it when it happens, but someday someone will be better then ronnie... better then michael...

babe ruth couldnt play on my dads softball league today even in his prime... the guy never saw a pitch faster then 65mph

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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15073 on: November 28, 2006, 03:32:30 PM »
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NO ONE is comparing Ronnie 92 0r 94 to Dorian except you  

no, your fellow guy IceCold is:

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everything just mentioned, coleman had when he competed against dorian through the years of 92-97. WHERE DID THAT LEAVE RONNIE?  HOW DID HE DO AGAINST DORIAN?  WAS RONNIE ANYWHERE ABOVE 5 PLACES FROM DORIAN?

he is trying to say that all of the advantages Ronnie 99 had over dorian was always there when Ronnie faced dorian during the mid 90's

 ::)

and of course, nothing could be farther from the truth:

the detail was there. but the full shape and mass were not.  And he suffered in terms of placings greatly for it.  

Ronnie's frame looked weird when he was smaller.

did not look good at all.




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Re: Hulkster I'm calling for a Truce
« Reply #15074 on: November 28, 2006, 03:36:05 PM »
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Show me pics where Dorian looks like ronnie did at the 99 O.  Show me where he's ever had that type of separation, size and balance

he can't.

but remember, in ND's world of delusion:

dorian had BETTER balance ::).

Dorian was harder (despite having a most muscular that you could skate on compared to Ronnie 99) ::)

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