Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Peter McGough who said Ronnie's best showing ever was the 2001 Arnold Classic NOT the 2003 Mr Olympia

what the hell does that have to do with my comment? Whichever version of Ronnie he was referring to would most likely beat Dorian by virtue of his better back.

And again Ronnie and Samir Bannout both say Dorian has the best back ever and both would know , both had great backs!!

sorry little boy, but you cannot pick and choose quotes when it suits you. If you accept Peter McGough's commentary that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99 than 98, then you must also accept his quote that Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time. If you dismiss one quote for whatever reason, then you acknowledge that he's not a very reliable source.

[Hulkster]

orry little boy, but you cannot pick and choose quotes when it suits you. If you accept Peter McGough's commentary that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99 than 98, then you must also accept his quote that Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time. If you dismiss one quote for whatever reason, then you acknowledge that he's not a very reliable source.

good point.

but then again, ND has never known how to make a really good compelling argument anyway.]\

he tends to rely on other peoples opinions without proof.

just look at his last 3 posts...

[VIENIO]

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[NarcissisticDeity]

what the hell does that have to do with my comment? Whichever version of Ronnie he was referring to would most likely beat Dorian by virtue of his better back.

sorry little boy, but you cannot pick and choose quotes when it suits you. If you accept Peter McGough's commentary that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99 than 98, then you must also accept his quote that Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time. If you dismiss one quote for whatever reason, then you acknowledge that he's not a very reliable source.

Ronnie doesn't have a better back than Dorian and this is easily provable .

and Oh please I can pick and choose whatever quote I want and both Samir Bannout and Ronnie Coleman say Yates has the best back ever , if Peter McGough says Joel Stubbs has the best back ever is it true? I agree with Peter most of the time but this time I don't.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Its easy to prove who has the best back and thats Dorian

This is a quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger from The New Encyclopedia of Modern bodybuilding


When a bodybuilding judge looks at a competitor's back , there are three things he is especially interested in in : ( 1 ) The thickness and muscularity of the upper back:( 2 ) the sweep and width of the lats and ( 3 ) the definition and development of the lower back and lower lats.

Dorian's upper back -  traps are thicker & denser than Ronnie's especially his lower traps
Dorian's lats and Ronnies are about equal in terms of sweep and width again at their respective bests is probably equal , you can argue over centimeters all you want but neither in my opinion are noticeably wider than the other
Dorian lower back is simply in another league compared to Ronnie like the traps this is what separates Dorian's back from Ronnies , Dorian has better lower lats period , they insert lower into this back and they're  much more developed and defined , his erector spinae are much sharper and developed than Ronnie

this is exactly why Dorian has a better back , Ronnie is comparable but Dorian is the better of the two.



p.s and both are comparable in terms of development & detail of the infraspinatus and teres.

[NarcissisticDeity]

good point.

but then again, ND has never known how to make a really good compelling argument anyway.]\

he tends to rely on other peoples opinions without proof.

just look at his last 3 posts...

And what a short memory we have , I have a fantastic ability to make a compelling argument and I cover all my bases , me and sucky have among the longest posts on this thread !! you post bad pics of Dorian and the Pilsbury Dough boy , I will keep your nonsense at bay every turn you take .

[NarcissisticDeity]

Now mind you so none of the crybabies on here start with the water works I'm posting the comparison pics of Yates with Ronnie at what is considered his most dry which is 1998 , so let there be know mistake .

You can't argue with my assessment Dorian has Ronnie beat on traps and lowerlats and lower back.

[NarcissisticDeity]

what the hell does that have to do with my comment? Whichever version of Ronnie he was referring to would most likely beat Dorian by virtue of his better back.

sorry little boy, but you cannot pick and choose quotes when it suits you. If you accept Peter McGough's commentary that Ronnie was carrying more water in 99 than 98, then you must also accept his quote that Ronnie has the greatest back of all-time. If you dismiss one quote for whatever reason, then you acknowledge that he's not a very reliable source.

And in the same magazine Peter McGough states that Jay beat Ronnie in the rear double biceps and rear latspread do you agree with him here?

[NeoSeminole]

This is a quote from Arnold Schwarzenegger from The New Encyclopedia of Modern bodybuilding


When a bodybuilding judge looks at a competitor's back , there are three things he is especially interested in in : ( 1 ) The thickness and muscularity of the upper back:( 2 ) the sweep and width of the lats and ( 3 ) the definition and development of the lower back and lower lats.

Ronnie's traps were thicker and, in my opinion, had better shape. Dorian's were small on top and large at the bottom while Ronnie's traps were large on top and smaller at the bottom. Ronnie's extra mass on top was visually more impressive from the back such as in the rear lat spread pose. Ronnie's lats were slightly wider and thicker due to his 30 lb advantage over Dorian. His back seemed to jump at you when he posed. In comparison, Dorian's back looked flat as a pancake. Maybe this was a problem of being too dry? Not enough fluid in the muscle to optimally expand the tissue? Although Ronnie's lower back wasn't as conditioned, he made up for that in thickness. I still give Dorian lower back b/c I'm more impressed with a dry and shredded lumbar region.

[Iceman1981]

Not even close. Ronnie never had cheekbones showing like Dorian or even Ray (check BFTO 96). Overall, Dorian at his best was better conditioned and drier than Ronnie at his best.

Let's just remember that baby oil on a black man will make him look shinier than on a white man. There is no doubting that. So stating that, it makes Coleman look like he is carrying water, which infact he is not. Plus the amount of oil used when Coleman became Mr. Olympia is way more than when Yates was Mr. Olympia. I just can not find any pictures of Yates in 93 Olympia that is more striated, dry, and ripped than these pictures of Coleman during 99 Olympia and only during the show. If you find any, please post. But I bet you, you can't.

[Hulkster]

Now mind you so none of the crybabies on here start with the water works I'm posting the comparison pics of Yates with Ronnie at what is considered his most dry which is 1998 , so let there be know mistake .

You can't argue with my assessment Dorian has Ronnie beat on traps and lowerlats and lower back.

then use these 98 shots too if you want to be fair in assessing dryness:

[NeoSeminole]

And in the same magazine Peter McGough states that Jay beat Ronnie in the rear double biceps and rear latspread do you agree with him here?

yes

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ronnie's traps were thicker and, in my opinion, had better shape. Dorian's were small on top and large at the bottom while Ronnie's traps were large on top and smaller at the bottom. Ronnie's extra mass on top was visually more impressive from the back such as in the rear lat spread pose. Ronnie's lats were slightly wider and thicker due to his 30 lb advantage over Dorian. His back seemed to jump at you when he posed. In comparison, Dorian's back looked flat as a pancake. Maybe this was a problem of being too dry? Not enough fluid in the muscle to optimally expand the tissue? Although Ronnie's lower back wasn't as conditioned, he made up for that in thickness. I still give Dorian lower back b/c I'm more impressed with a dry and shredded lumbar region.

LMFAO better shaped traps and you don't want to use Ronnie 2003 as a reference for his best back because its NO WHERE near as hard as 2001 ASC or 1998 Mr Olympia or as hard as Dorians

2003 vs 1998 I mean come on

[Hulkster]

I just can not find any pictures of Yates more striated, dry, and ripped than these pictures of Coleman during a bodybuilding show and only during a bodybuilding show. If you find any, please post. But I bet you, you can't.

don't worry he won't.

Yates could competing with Ronnie for dryness in the areas of abs and lower back- in fact he surpassed him.

but no where else.

hence, the fact that Ronnie 99 was dryer overall, esp. when overall takes into account roughly 80% of the body:

[NarcissisticDeity]

yes

Do you agree with Peter that 2001 Arnold Classic is Ronnie's best ever showing?

[NarcissisticDeity]

don't worry he won't.

Yates could competing with Ronnie for dryness in the areas of abs and lower back- in fact he surpassed him.

but no where else.

hence, the fact that Ronnie 99 was dryer overall, esp. when overall takes into account roughly 80% of the body:

LMFAO your ignorance entertains me !!

[NarcissisticDeity]

No contest in muscularity , detail , lower back & lats its not even close.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Yates isn't even contest ready and he's blowing Ronnie out of the water.

[Hulkster]

LMFAO your ignorance entertains me !!

the proof that I am right entertains the rest of us..

[NeoSeminole]

Do you agree with Peter that 2001 Arnold Classic is Ronnie's best ever showing?

depends what criteria he is using. I think 03 Ronnie would win any contest, but I personally don't consider that his best look.

[NarcissisticDeity]

the proof that I am right entertains the rest of us..

Well they say you have to believe your own bullshit before you can convince anyone else lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

depends what criteria he is using. I think 03 Ronnie would win any contest, but I personally don't consider that his best look.

Its not a matter of would he win its a matter of do you personally agree with Peter McGough that 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is his best showing ever?

[Hulkster]

Its not a matter of would he win its a matter of do you personally agree with Peter McGough that 2001 Arnold Schwarzenegger Classic is his best showing ever?

I think he was bigger in 99 with just as much detail (and much much much less of a gut when relaxed):

[NarcissisticDeity]

I think he was bigger in 99 with just as much detail (and much much much less of a gut when relaxed):

I though 1999 Ronnie was pre-gut? lol

[NeoSeminole]

Yates isn't even contest ready and he's blowing Ronnie out of the water.

sure he is.