Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

again, you obviously weren't around during the 90's following the nasser dorian wars were you?

ps that quote is from this site. Ron is just quoting popular opinion at the time.

the point is this: whether or not you think that dorian was better than nasser or vice versa, dorian was not as unbeatable as claimed.

there was lots of doubt during his feud with nasser.

There looks to be no doubt here as to who is #1:

[pobrecito]

Yates' side tricep to this day is untouchable.

[logical?]

again, you obviously weren't around during the 90's following the nasser dorian wars were you?

ps that quote is from this site. Ron is just quoting popular opinion at the time.

the point is this: whether or not you think that dorian was better than nasser or vice versa, dorian was not as unbeatable as claimed.

there was lots of doubt during his feud with nasser.

Yes this is true. I do find claims such as 'Ronnie wasn't as dominant during his reign as Dorian,' kinda funny becuase there is no way to measure this.

The competition during the 90's meant that Dorian could have been beaten in any given year. He wasn't, and I'm not contesting that he was, but this issue of dominance is really strange.

[pobrecito]

I see you ignored this Hulkster:

nasser took up more space but was nowhere near as hard so a 256 pound yates looked just as big as a soft 270 nasser. you gotta remember, yates had "it" so yes he made them all look like kids. yates calves were the size of shawns quads.

i dont know how yates got even more dry for the 96 cuz at the 95 he was carved from granite and polished.

from the second the walked onstage and hit the "relaxed" pose it was a comp for second place. no one has said differantly. no one. yes shawn should have been 3rd and maybe maybe he could have got 2nd but kev was just too big for him to handle.

[Hulkster]

There looks to be no doubt here as to who is #1:

yes but that is only one pose.

someone who is so "unbeatable" does not lose out on several poses:

[pobrecito]

Yates is winning in every single one of those shots you posted.

If Nasser was better than Yates from the front, post a front lat superior to this shot from the 96O:

[Hulkster]

Yes this is true. I do find claims such as 'Ronnie wasn't as dominant during his reign as Dorian,' kinda funny becuase there is no way to measure this.

The competition during the 90's meant that Dorian could have been beaten in any given year. He wasn't, and I'm not contesting that he was, but this issue of dominance is really strange.

exactly.

Yates was dominant pre tear.

post tear was a different story:

[NeoSeminole]

I never lied.

oh really?

And the British Muscle&Fitness magazine repoted that Dorian's right arm flexed tapered at 52 centimeters in circumference for the 1995 Olympia.

Ok, first of all, I never said that Dorian's arms were 52 cm. I said they were 52 or 53 centimeters.

you also claimed that I was the first to use name calling. This is not true.

Utter bias from a Ronnie spooge-licker.

[logical?]

Nasser looks rediculous in that front double bi compared to Dorian- simply awesome.

That's a bad angle to judge a side-chest from, and I think Dorian's winnig the ab-thigh.

I don't think that's such a great shot of a front lat spread pobrecito...m akes his arms LOOK small, together with a wide waist and not completely flexed lats. There are some better front lat pics of Dorian a few pages behind this.

[Hulkster]

Nasser looks rediculous in that front double bi compared to Dorian- simply awesome.

exactly.

the point is that you cannot be "unbeatable" if you loose out on several key poses.

no matter what.

[pobrecito]

Nasser looks rediculous in that front double bi compared to Dorian- simply awesome.

That's a bad angle to judge a side-chest from, and I think Dorian's winnig the ab-thigh.

I don't think that's such a great shot of a front lat spread pobrecito...m akes his arms LOOK small, together with a wide waist and not completely flexed lats. There are some better front lat pics of Dorian a few pages behind this.

Dorian looks excellent in that shot. Dorian's front lat spread was untouchable in my opinion.

[Hulkster]

Dorian looks excellent in that shot. Dorian's front lat spread was untouchable in my opinion.

dorian has absolutely incredible lats from the front.

but as you will see from your pics, the rest of the pose is smooth - eg. quads, chest and arms.

for example, look at how shawns quads and chest just own dorian's in the lat spread:

[pobrecito]

dorian has absolutely incredible lats from the front.

but as you will see from your pics, the rest of the pose is smooth - eg. quads, chest and arms.

for example, look at how shawns quads and chest just own dorian's in the lat spread:

I don't think Shawn is owning anything there due to the fact that he has so much less muscle. I know you are a big fan of Shawn's, but the only way he could have competed with Yates is by carrying 15-20lbs more muscle. Flex was intrinsically no better than Shawn but he simply had enough muscle mass to compete with Dorian.

[logical?]

Shawn doesn't have that much less muscle- at least proportionately. Check out his arms- they're practically the same size as Dorian's.,

[NarcissisticDeity]

again, you obviously weren't around during the 90's following the nasser dorian wars were you?

ps that quote is from this site. Ron is just quoting popular opinion at the time.

the point is this: whether or not you think that dorian was better than nasser or vice versa, dorian was not as unbeatable as claimed.

there was lots of doubt during his feud with nasser.

You're full of shit there was NO ' fued ' with Nasser , Nasser like Shawn Ray never once came close to beating Dorian EVER ! quoting what the ' fans ' think is useless most are uneducated like you , Dorian's perfect scores stopped your nonsense dead in its tracks just liked they stopped Nasser & Shawn in theirs .

Nasser couldn't beat Dorian in the ab-thigh or front latspread and in 1995 he couldn't beat Yates in the front double biceps , wait let me say this again , Nasser NEVER beat Dorian in any front , back or side poses ever ! I love how you tried to create this ' fued ' between the two in reality there was Dorian and then everyone else I have facts to back up my claim while you have bias to back yours

[NarcissisticDeity]

according to ND's warped retarded account of the contest, Ronnie did not dominate Jay from the back....

No not according to MY account of the contest according to the FINAL SCORE sheets Ronnie didn't dominate Jay from the back , please explain how one " dominates " by losing the whole fucking prejudging? please explian this minus the excuses of course ( if possible )

[logical?]

You're full of shit there was NO ' fued ' with Nasser , Nasser like Shawn Ray never once came close to beating Dorian EVER ! quoting what the ' fans ' think is useless most are uneducated like you , Dorian's perfect scores stopped your nonsense dead in its tracks just liked they stopped Nasser & Shawn in theirs .

Nasser couldn't beat Dorian in the ab-thigh or front latspread and in 1995 he couldn't beat Yates in the front double biceps , wait let me say this again , Nasser NEVER beat Dorian in any front , back or side poses ever ! I love how you tried to create this ' fued ' between the two in reality there was Dorian and then everyone else I have facts to back up my claim while you have bias to back yours

So are you saying that Dorian is beating Nasser in that front double bi ND?

[IceCold]

. For every quote you dig up saying how good Dorian was, you can dig one up saying how good ROnnie was, and how bad the two were.

where and from who?

[IceCold]

the point is this:

the dorian side has relyed on quotes more than anything else to get their point accross.

they do this because the visual evidence overwhelmingly does NOT support all these glowing quotes and perfect scores.

the coleman side does not rely on quotes, and its not because they are not there.

believe me - there has been just as much praise for Ronnie written over the years as there has been for Yates.

do you want me to quote dexter's comments following the 2003 Olympia? Or comments following the 2001 Arnold Classic?

The coleman side does not need quotes and opinions to prove how good ronnie's physique was when he was ON.

the visuals, given that this is a purely visual sport, speak for themselves:

yes, hulkster, please print the quotes.  i'm amazed you havent done so when i posted ronnie's quotes on page 150. 

the quotes provide evidence to someone who thinks yates was overrated, when you have some of the best of all time commenting on how great he is.

does their opinion make something a fact?

of course not, but it certainly counts more than yours. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

So are you saying that Dorian is beating Nasser in that front double bi ND?

I'm saying Dorian DID beat Nasser in the front double biceps shot , he got straight firsts .

[kyomu]

I don't think Shawn is owning anything there due to the fact that he has so much less muscle. I know you are a big fan of Shawn's, but the only way he could have competed with Yates is by carrying 15-20lbs more muscle. Flex was intrinsically no better than Shawn but he simply had enough muscle mass to compete with Dorian.

I don't think Dorian is owning anything due to the fact that he has so much less muscle. I know you are a big fan of Dorian's, but the only way he could have competed with Ronnie is by carrying 15-20lbs more muscle. Dorian was intrinsically no better than Ronnie and he simply didnt have enough muscle mass to compete with Ronnie.

[pobrecito]

I don't think Dorian is owning anything due to the fact that he has so much less muscle. I know you are a big fan of Dorian's, but the only way he could have competed with Ronnie is by carrying 15-20lbs more muscle. Dorian was intrinsically no better than Ronnie and he simply didnt have enough muscle mass to compete with Ronnie.

That same logic doesn't work due to the fact that Dorian appeared much, much larger than his weight suggested. This was backed up by the first hand account of Delta9mda who said Yates made everyone look like children, even despite being 20lbs less than Nasser. The only version that would have made Yates look small is the 2004 Ronnie, but even then I am not so sure about this due to Ronnie's relatively poor condition, both in 2003 and 2004. Now, 98 and 99 Ronnie, no contest, Yates will carry more muscle and also appear bigger and denser. This is the main reason why I believe he would defeat a prime coleman.

[rocket]

Dorian looks excellent in that shot. Dorian's front lat spread was untouchable in my opinion.

I think the picture you posted right under that post is a good example of what you're saying but when he's in contest shape his less than stellar armsize hurts him.  Aside from that he was dominant in it - no doubt.

[Hulkster]

Shawn doesn't have that much less muscle- at least proportionately. Check out his arms- they're practically the same size as Dorian's.,

exactly why dorian had undersized arms for much of his career.

the only year they looked okay was in 93.  In 92 and every year after 93, they were too small to be in proportion to his frame:

massive quads, huge calves, huge back, and scrawny arms...

[Hulkster]

Now, 98 and 99 Ronnie, no contest, Yates will carry more muscle and also appear bigger and denser.

how can yates appear bigger when they are the same height and weight (and dorian had a worse taper so the illusion of width is gone)?

look at the size of Ronnie in 1999 at 257:

dorian would not make him look small: