irrelevant, the issue here is whether Ronnie could control his gut. Pubes claimed that Ronnie never had a flat stomach. I posted shots disproving what he said.
No, the issue here is not whether you can or not control your gut. An obese man cannot control his gut. If he sucks it in, it still creates a protrusion in the upper part of his abdominal area. This is exactly what I've trying to explain to you, idiot, but you just don't get it. Mass will not disappear from Ronnie's midsection just because he's sucking his gut in. The
fact is that Dorian's gut was not as distended as Ronnie's ever was. Period.
Furthermore, just b/c there are more pics of Ronnie with a gut doesn't mean that Dorian didn't have a distended midsection. It simply means that more pics were taken of Ronnie's stomach. Funny how more and more pics are surfacing of Dorian's gut once people figured out how to post screen caps.
You don't need a large number of pics to see if there's a gut or not: one is enough. The size of the gut will not vary from picture to picture. If you control the variable for angle, then a single photograph of each bodybuilder from the same angle is enough to evaluate how their midsections looked. A single pic showing Dorian from the sides and the front is enough to evaluate his taper. For instance, I know that Ronnie's gut was more disntended than Dorian's because the pics I've seen of them from the side show that Ronnie's gut was more distended. In fact, the worst pic of Dorian is better than those of Ronnie. Furthermore, Ronnie's gut was visible from the front, which was not the case for Dorian.
Owned.
I agree that Dorian had a better midsection. Nobody has ever disputed that. However, you are wrong about Dorian's stomach being flatter. Please show me 1 pic where Dorian's midsection looks flatter than this. Hint: it cannot be done. You can only show me a pic where Dorian ties this, but does not surpass it.
You said that Dorian had a wider waist and a comparable gut distension. This is false. Wider waist? Yes. Worst gut? No. Ronnie has a better taper? Only whwn standing relaxed from the front.
I never said Dorian carried 16 lbs extra solely in bone mass. Nice strawman there, you dipshit. I claimed that Dorian carried most of the extra weight in his midsection. Both Ronnie and Dorian have guts, but Dorian also had a wider waist which greatly increases the total volume of his midsection.
What you said was this: Dorian's bones were thicker, Ronnie's muscle bellies were rounder and his waist was narrower, so he must have carried more mass than Dorian. Sorry, sport, but this is a retarded argument. I have already gone in detail why your argument is pseudo-logical, but, again, you just chose to ignore it. My point is that a distended gut adds more weight to a bodybuilder's physique than a wide waist, and the bottom line is that Ronnie's gut was more distended at the 1999 Olympia.
This is not debateable! When you put that into the equation and add the facts that:
- Dorian was heavier at the same bodyfat level = odds ae he carried more mass.
- Dorian had less sub-cutaneous water retained at the same weight = odds are more of his weight was lean mass.
- The difference in bone size is unlikely to have caused much weight variations, because: the entire Human skeleton weights 25 lbs, so it's unlikely that it would add significantly to a weight, and Black Men have a greater mineral bone density, which means that the whole effect would cancel out at the end. Dude, you have taken a hardcore anal pounding from SUCKY, and I sincerely hope you realize the futility of arguing with me and just give up.
read the official IFBB judging criteria.
I have, and striations are never explicitely mentioned.
I never said that Dorian didn't have a thick back.
I never said you did...
If you actually bothered to read my posts rather than try to respond in a hurry to make me look bad,
Well, I replied three days later, so I'm not sure how that qualifies as in a hurry. But whatever...
you would notice that I said Dorian's back looks flat in the rear double biceps. It looks thick in other poses and when standing relaxed, but for some reason it flattens out when he hits that one pose.
Ok, I was replying to Hulkster's idiotic assessment. Regardless, you gave the impression that you were agreeing with him. I don't think that Dorian had a flat back double biceps; I think it was incredibly tick and separated. However, I do agree with Hulkster that he lacked the "lumpiness" of Ronnie. But what I disagreed with him was the cause of Dorian's lack of "lumpiness": he said it was due to a lack of thickness when compared to Ronnie, which is not true not only becase Dorian's back was at least as thick as Ronnie's, but also because Wheeler also had a "lumpier" back than Dorian, even though his back was obviously less thick. My contention is that Dorian's lack of lumpiness has more to do with the "squarer" shape of his muscles when compared to bodybuilders who have rounder muscle bellies, lie Flez and Ronnie. Beneath, pics showing Dorian's flatter stomach.
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