excuses excuses, how many times have you compared a black and white shot of Dorian to a color pic of Ronnie? I would even venture to say that black and white pics improve Dorian's appearance more b/c they enhance the contrast between his lighter skin and the shadows casts by his muscles. That hasn't stopped you from posting them. Moreover, Ronnie and Dorian appear the same width. Any slight differences in lat width wouldn't be noticeable to the judges. I already posted a pic of them standing onstage together at the 96 Mr. Olympia which showed they had the same width. Ronnie's back improved since then. However, let's say he didn't improve at all. For all intents and purposes, they had equal width.
I have previously addressed everything you mentioned. Ronnie's arms were in fact larger than Dorian's. Ronnie's pecs were both fuller from top to bottom and longer. His delts were larger. His traps appeared larger in the front lat spread b/c of posing differences. Dorian arched his back and pushed out his sternum to accentuate his lats. This is why his lats look rounder in this pose. Ronnie throws his delts, traps and arms forward and stands straight up in the front lat spread. This makes his upper body appear larger but partially obscures his lats. Lastly, Ronnie's quads were larger. Besides the calves and midsection, where else was Dorian bigger?
Ronnie has greater muscularity and definition. I, along with many others, have already addressed why Ronnie and Dorian tie in balance. You may choose to ignore Dorian's twig arms but that won't make them disappear. This leaves density and conditioning for Dorian. The problem with conditioning here is that if we isolate the front lat spread and compare their conditioning, then at the very least they tie. If I had never seen any other pics of them, I would personally say that Ronnie had better conditioning due to his superior definition. I think your problem is that you're judging his conditioning in the front lat spread using your knowledge of what he looks like from the back. If we are comparing front lat spreads, then let's only talk about the front lat spread.
excuses excuses, how many times have you compared a black and white shot of Dorian to a color pic of Ronnie? I would even venture to say that black and white pics improve Dorian's appearance more b/c they enhance the contrast between his lighter skin and the shadows casts by his muscles. That hasn't stopped you from posting them. Moreover, Ronnie and Dorian appear the same width. Any slight differences in lat width wouldn't be noticeable to the judges. I already posted a pic of them standing onstage together at the 96 Mr. Olympia which showed they had the same width. Ronnie's back improved since then. However, let's say he didn't improve at all. For all intents and purposes, they had equal width.
Its NOT an excuse its fact , and its not just a black & white shot , its a in studio professional black & white shot , there is a obvious difference and the black & whites I posted are NOT professional studio shots and coming from the photographer it was ' technically a bad shot ' and the reason I post them because they are Dorian at his best despite being a few weeks out of the Olympia and the black & white do tend to help out Yates because of his fair skin but the color screencaps I posted are even better examples of Dorian's true conditioning especially from the back
Now as far as width is concerned they may be equal in terms of width in 1996 and you claimed Ronnie improved and so did his back well keep in mind 1996 wasn't one of Dorian's best showings he looked flat in that contest and I'm sure his lat width in 93/95 would be better than that it's all a moot point anyway because Dorian simple has the better back anyway
I have previously addressed everything you mentioned. Ronnie's arms were in fact larger than Dorian's. Ronnie's pecs were both fuller from top to bottom and longer. His delts were larger. His traps appeared larger in the front lat spread b/c of posing differences. Dorian arched his back and pushed out his sternum to accentuate his lats. This is why his lats look rounder in this pose. Ronnie throws his delts, traps and arms forward and stands straight up in the front lat spread. This makes his upper body appear larger but partially obscures his lats. Lastly, Ronnie's quads were larger. Besides the calves and midsection, where else was Dorian bigger?
Another blanket statement you don't know for a fact Ronnie's arms were bigger? you're assuming that , I have no doubt his biceps were bigger but you don't know if his triceps were bigger and forearms are part of the arms , but again I'm sure at similar bodyweights Ronnie's biceps/triceps would taper larger than Dorian I doubt his forearms would and once again its all a moot point
His delts were larger? very doubtful I don't see a noticeable difference in this pose , and now you're backpeddling his traps ' appear ' larger you should have said that originally instead of running the risk of looking foolish but then again you're saying that Dorian doesn't come close to Ronnie in this pose so its all about foolishness away and you ever think that Dorian might just have a better sweep to his lats and thats why his lats look better in this pose? and Ronnie's quads are bigger but who cares? you're under this delusion that the biggest parts mean the best whole and it simply doesn't as I've stated before Dorian's size is more evenly distributed throughout his frame with Ronnie you have exaggerated parts
small underdeveloped calves beneath giagantic overdeveloped quads , a narrow hips & waist flaring lats , gigantic biceps/triceps small in proportion forearms and let me state this again its NOT about how big the parts are its a combo is the criteria , someone once described the difference bweteen Ronnie & Dorian is Volume vs Density and while Ronnie may indeed pocess more volume he lags behind in density , and the judges ask for muscular density and Yates has it in spades
Ronnie has greater muscularity and definition. I, along with many others, have already addressed why Ronnie and Dorian tie in balance. You may choose to ignore Dorian's twig arms but that won't make them disappear. This leaves density and conditioning for Dorian. The problem with conditioning here is that if we isolate the front lat spread and compare their conditioning, then at the very least they tie. If I had never seen any other pics of them, I would personally say that Ronnie had better conditioning due to his superior definition. I think your problem is that you're judging his conditioning in the front lat spread using your knowledge of what he looks like from the back. If we are comparing front lat spreads, then let's only talk about the front lat spread.
Now you're going to catch fucking hell for this statement , Ronnie has greater muscularity? are you out of your fucking mind? seriously , and definition FYI is conditioning and Ronnie is lucky to have matched Dorian for conditioning at his lower bodyweights 244 pounds 2001 and 249 pounds 1998 past that you're out of luck , your conclusion is well Ronnie has visible striations in his chest in this pose so he has greater ' definition ' nonsense and Ronnie's detailed are more visible in photographs because of his darker skin , you're once again making the mistake that Dorian doesn't have details which is nonsense and yuou think to striations like some holy grail , as an indicator of superior conditioning and its NOT Ronnie has striations in 04 still holding a ton of water
Balance you and others have addressed it? I proven you guys dead ass WRONG period . I provided ample proof of Ronnie's glaring balance & proportion issues , I even quoted Dorian saying he has better balance but this falls on deaf ears and why? because you see what you want to see , I recall when Dorian said on PBW that the judges would
probably pick Ronnie over him , all you guys love Yates' quote then but when he says he has better balance & conditioning it doesn't mean anything , give me a fucking break , I've been screaming that Yates had better balance & conditioning for a LONG time before that Yates interview and low-and-behold Dorian confirmed exactly what I said , so you and the others are IGNORANT and flat out wrong
Again with conditioning in this pose Ronnie 1999 does NOT have better conditioning than Dorian , and I'm not basing Dorian's conditioning on his back because Dorian was DRY all over I've read the review of every single Yates Olympia win from Flex , Ironaman , Muscular Development , Muscle Mag International , Muscle & Fitness and Muscle Digest and NEVER once have I ever came across the quote that Dorian was holding water anywhere period , you're confusing striations with better conditioning and its NOT conditioning is the absence of water & sq-fat from the muscle , when you're holding water it obscures the muscle from being seen to its fullest , Dorian doesn't hold water
The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.You will never be able to counter this , Hulkster has tried and so have others and in the end this is where the buck stops
Dorian better density
Dorian better balance
Dorian conditioning
Dorian better bulk
Dorian better density all years
Dorian better balance all years
Dorian better conditioning , Ronnie probably equaled Dorian's conditioning on two occasions in 1998/2001ASC for all intent & purposes Dorian was the better conditioned athlete over the course of his whole career
better bulk Dorian with the exception of 2003/2004
The front latspread is Dorian's pose and I have not seen in equal since his retirement
