Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

Icecold, when are you going to learn that ANY screencap will look slightly different than ANY pic?

it has nothing to do with being 'fake' or 'real'.

it has nothing to do with being better or worse.

its just different.

[NarcissisticDeity]

where the f*ck do you come up with this shit? I posted the pic on the right to show that his arms were small and lack separation in the triceps.

Just like you didn't say Ronnie 01 was the same size as 1999? 

[Hulkster]

but dorian's arms from the front ARE smooth compared to ronnie's:

so I don't know what ND is taking about by saying the claims are baseless.

there is more support for the claim that dorian has smooth arms compared to ronnie than there is for the claim that the earth orbits around the sun:

[IceCold]

Icecold, when are you going to learn that ANY screencap will look slightly different than ANY pic?

it has nothing to do with being 'fake' or 'real'.

it has nothing to do with being better or worse.

its just different.

true, but something is suspicious when all the other pics from differnt sources are failry similar and then there is 1 set of pics - claiming the same source as others- and match nothing.

[IceCold]

holy shit does dorian's torso murder coleman's.

thicker chest
no gyno
thicker lats
no shitty 4 pack

[NarcissisticDeity]

but dorian's arms from the front ARE smooth compared to ronnie's:

so I don't know what ND is taking about by saying the claims are baseless.

there is more support for the claim that dorian has smooth arms compared to ronnie than there is for the claim that the earth orbits around the sun:

His arms appears smooth are they holding water & fat? NO

Check this

" He's huge , absolutely HUGE ...he's ripped completely RIPPED. And while he's not in possession of the prettiest physique body by a long shot , he's equipped with all the bodyparts you need to win .

Combine this with the fact that he's 10 TIMES more impressive when you see him onstage at the Olympia than he is in pictures or on videos and you got yourself a winner.

He's NOT just ripped he's COMPLETELY ripped what does completely mean ? does it mean he's holding water  in his smooth biceps? LMFAO does it mean almost ripped it means COMPLETELY RIPPED and this is comming from an eyewitness who was there in REALITY

just like usmoke You're owned 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Flex Magazine June 1996

Quote Milos Sarcev on Dorian Yates

" Dorian is.........The current Mr Olympia. I admire him a great deal. He's impressive , ripped and huge with a total package that can't be beat. he doesn't have the type of physique I'd want to emulate. "



Ripped and huge? whoa you mean he's not carrying water? he's ripped? lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote Jim Rockell one of the chair of the I.F.B.B. Judging committe on Dorian at the 1994 Mr Olympia

Audience members heartily disapproved of Levrone's third place finish in the Mr Olympia contest.

Said Manion : My score sheet was identical to the final results. Dorian (Yates' ) size and rear blew everyone else away. Shawn ( Ray ) was in great shape but couldn't top Dorian this time. The same is true with Kevin , Paul Dillett seemed to be holding water. If Kevin and Paul came in top shape , they would have been right up there.

Added Rockell: Dorian had a SLIGHT injury but as far as I'm concerned , it had NO bearing whatsoever. He was just so dense it made no overall difference. Paul's major deficiencies were in his back : not enough muscularity for his large frame. also basic stamina throughout was in question ; during call-outs , he was breathing heavy and bending over.

Kevin has it all but was a little soft in prejudging , which hurt him. He wasn't quite as sharp as Shawn , but it was very close between second and third. It came down to the posedown ( Which Shawn won by a single point ).


This is coming from one of the chairs of the IFBB judging committee notice he comments on Levrone being soft in the pre-judging and NOT one mention of Dorian being soft? well how can this be? Hulkster and usmoke from the comfort of their homes said otherwise , well who's opinion can we trust? Hmmmmmm let me think about that one for a moment , IFBB judging chair or two simpletons ? 

[NarcissisticDeity]

Quote Mike Mattarazo on Dorian Yates

" Does he even have skin? "


Yes he does Mike although you may think he doesn't Hulkster & Usmoke know better than you after all , I know you were there besides him and seen him face to face , they know better than you , they have pics , compressed video and bias lol

[NeoSeminole]

You implied it.

I said "for all I know, 01 ASC Ronnie carried 2 lbs more of lean mass than in 99." Hence, I don't know. It could be .5 lbs more for all I care. You mistook this for meaning "Ronnie did in fact carry 2 lbs more of lean mass."

All the sources I have, including the FEX review, point out that Ronnie was 244 lbs for the 2001 ASC.

I noticed it says in the Flex review that Ronnie weighed 244 lbs at the 01 ASC. However, I believe this is a misprint. I read in another issue of Flex that Ronnie weighed 247 lbs, and Hulkster claims he saw this number too in a different magazine.

This is impossible, and your example makes it even worse. Why? Because lean muscle weights more than water, so if his arms remained the same size with less water than you have even more pounds to justify for. The issue here is the absolute weights of the total muscle mass when contrasted to the rest of the body. If a muscle remains the same size while losing water, then it's weight increases. Yet, Ronnie went down in weight. The bottom line is that if you argue that Ronnie's lean mass remained by same, then mathematically you have 13 lbs to justify. Now if you're arguing that he gained lean muscle, then you have more than that to justify. The issue here is very simple: was the loss in muscle mass that Ronnie had in his quads greater, in pounds, then the gain he had in his arms? If so, then you're simply agreeing with me that Ronnie carried less lean mass.

ha ha ha, arguing with you is pointless b/c you have no understanding of anatomy. Do you realize how much 1 lb of lean muscle is? Look at a 16 oz steak. That is 1 lb of muscle. If 01 ASC Ronnie's arms and delts were the same size as 99 with less fat and water, this represents maybe a 2-3 lb increase in lean mass. However, subtract the difference between muscle gained and water lost, and you are left with at most a 1.5 lb difference. Now apply the same calculations to his back and hamstrings. Factor in his downsized quads. I believe you would find that he carried slightly more lean mass at the 01 ASC but not by much.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Ironman Magazine Jan 1994

I.F.B.B. judge Roger Schwab

Man-mountain Dorian Yates was certainly the top gun in the 1993 Mr Olympia shootout. He was much bigger , better and harder than ever , and while his is never the prettiest physique on stage , he's assuredly the most God-awful muscular superman this sport has yet seen. Though Yates was lighter than Lou Ferrigno or Paul Dillett , he appeared to be the biggest man on stage-by far- and the hardest , dominating from beginning to end and every step in between.

Wait how can this be ? a judge commenting on muscle hardness ? thats not part of the criteria lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Mr Olympia comeptitor Mike Christain

Quote
I think Dorian meet all the IFBB terms. He had mass , he was symmetrical and he had lots of definition. I thought he won. Can he be beaten? That depends on how you look at it. I say yes. But under the IFBB terms of juging -no. Number one is mass, He has that. Number two is symmetry. He is symmetrical Under the IFBB rules , he'll keep winning and winning."

No Mike , Hulkster & usmoke say Dorian doesn't have lots of definition , what do you know? its not like you were at the 1993 Mr Olympia in person watching from the front row , Oh wait a moment , you were well how can these two clowns be right from the comfort of their mental ward?

[NarcissisticDeity]

This is a quote from eight time Mr Olympia winner Lee Haney on Dorian Yates as he appeared at the 1993 Mr Olympia

" No doubt about it , Dorian was the winner . He's gotten bigger , with even more muscularity and detail. Fantastic! Out of sight. Y'know he was over and beyond a champion. He knows his body . It'll be hard for anyone to unseat him . "

Lee according to Hulkster & usmoke Dorian has no detail , what do you know being an eight time Mr Olympia lol

[NarcissisticDeity]

Kevin Horoton GetBig Dec 30th

The photo is technically terrible, fortunately the physique is awesome.
I'd agree with Kris about Dorian showing up on stage how he looked a few weeks out. There are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.

Now you guys are really , really fucked on this one , this quote comes from a man who has photographed both Ronnie and Dorian over the length of their careers , has seen them at their best & worse and this statement alone drives ANYTHING you idiots can ever come up with so far into the ground its not funny

I mean I just have to type this again lol

there are some shots of him at around 280 - 285 shredded. That conditioning has not been surpassed.

Hey wasn't Ronnie 287 pounds in 2003?

owned 

[NeoSeminole]

lame

[Hulkster]

ND you are so stupid.

no one is saying that dorian has no definition.

we are saying that in certain MAJOR bodyparts (arms and quads) he lacks the same level of definition AS RONNIE COLEMAN. and this would be a major disadvantage given ronnie's combo of size + shape + detail + a back. (a combo that NONE of dorian's competitors had and thus, they lost to dorian)

all your quotes are completely irrelevant because they do not address the specific topic of this debate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

ND you are so stupid.

no one is saying that dorian has no definition.

we are saying that in certain MAJOR bodyparts (arms and quads) he lacks the same level of definition AS RONNIE COLEMAN. and this would be a major disadvantage given ronnie's combo of size + shape + detail + a back. (a combo that NONE of dorian's competitors had and thus, they lost to dorian)

all your quotes are completely irrelevant because they do not address the specific topic of this debate.

LMFAO thats the best you could manage ? no when people refer to his conditioning they means just his back , shut-up you're owned and can't counter these firsthand accounts

[Hulkster]

This is a quote from eight time Mr Olympia winner Lee Haney on Dorian Yates as he appeared at the 1993 Mr Olympia

" No doubt about it , Dorian was the winner . He's gotten bigger , with even more muscularity and detail. Fantastic! Out of sight. Y'know he was over and beyond a champion. He knows his body . It'll be hard for anyone to unseat him . "

Lee according to Hulkster & usmoke Dorian has no detail , what do you know being an eight time Mr Olympia lol

so, ND are you saying that these doughballs arms are in fact super detailed?

 

is it the photoelectric effect that prevents them from looking detailed on film?

[Hulkster]

LMFAO thats the best you could manage ? no when people refer to his conditioning they means just his back , shut-up you're owned and can't counter these firsthand accounts

wow.

ND responds by laughing how rare

when are you going to understand that none of your first hand accounts have any relevance what so ever to comparing 99 ronnie vs 93 dorian?

[NarcissisticDeity]

so, ND are you saying that these doughballs arms are in fact super detailed?

 

is it the photoelectric effect that prevents them from looking detailed on film?

No he just has a detailed lower back thats what the quote COMPLETELY RIPPED means 

[NarcissisticDeity]

wow.

ND responds by laughing how rare

when are you going to understand that none of your first hand accounts have any relevance what so ever to comparing 99 ronnie vs 93 dorian?

Sure they do

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

Man you're owned

[Hulkster]

Sure they do

Lee Priest

HOW DO YOU FEEL DORIAN WOULD FAIR AGAINST RONNIE COLEMAN NOW?

I think Dorian at his best (1993) would easily beat Ronnie. Dorian might not be as symmetrical as Ronnie, but all over he was more complete and in better condition at his best.

that is not relevant because I highly doubt Lee was referring specifically to the 99 Ronnie.

chances are, he was referring to the 2003/4 ronnie which was when the quote was taken.

no one asked Lee Priest back in 1999 how Ronnie would have done against dorian.

so your quote has no relevance what so ever just like I said.

Your posts are like sucky's - if you don't have a brain, they appear good.

if you have a brain, they make no sense at all..

[Hulkster]

ND why is it that when you are thoughly being embarrassed, as you were today, you just start posting quote after quote after quote?

If dorian would beat ronnie as easily as you say he would, shouldn't you be posting 99 ronnie vs. 93 dorian shots and comparing them instead?

would that not be much more effective at proving your points?

oh wait..

I forgot:

reality is not on your side of this debate:

[NarcissisticDeity]

that is not relevant because I highly doubt Lee was referring specifically to the 99 Ronnie.

chances are, he was referring to the 2003/4 ronnie which was when the quote was taken.

no one asked Lee Priest back in 1999 how Ronnie would have done against dorian.

so your quote has no relevance what so ever just like I said.

Your posts are like sucky's - if you don't have a brain, they appear good.

if you have a brain, they make no sense at all..

Hulkster that INCLUDES 1999 and everything in between , you can't escape that quote

[Hulkster]

Hulkster that INCLUDES 1999 and everything in between , you can't escape that quote

it says "against Ronnie Coleman NOW"

unless the quote was made way back in 1999, you are fucked.