Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

You believed right ! to an extent he said the JUDGES would probably go with Ronnie based on his weight advantage , i.e. thats NOT Ronnie at his prime 1998 or 2001 ASC ironically enough he also stated that come contest time he would have better balance & conditioning , and low & behold I claimed that LONG before the interview its refreshing to have my opinions validated by professionals after the fact , it shows I know what I'm talking about.

so Ronnie says that Dorian has the better back. Dorian admits that Ronnie would probably beat him in a contest. I guess that settles the discussion.

[NarcissisticDeity]

so Ronnie says that Dorian has the better back. Dorian admits that Ronnie would probably beat him in a contest. I guess that settles the discussion.

Not really , Ronnie didn't say Dorian probably had a better back than me , and Dorian said the question was very hard for him to answer and he said the judges would probably go with Ronnie based on a size advantage , Prime Ronnie 1998/2001 has NO size advantage so nice try but not quite the same .

[Hulkster]

does anyone with a scanner have the January 1994 issue of Flex (with the 93 Olympia coverage)?

the full sized poster of dorian in it would be great to scan for this thread.

it shows him doing his now famous arms clasped most muscuar without a hint of detail in sight...

oh wait..

thats just the photoelectric effect again..

[suckmymuscle]

  One interesting fact about Dorian Yates is his name. Dorian comes from the Dorics, the Indo-European Greek tribe that founded Sparta. Funnily, the Spartans worshipped the demi-god Hercules above all else, even above Zeus himself. Well, Dorian has been presented as the ultimate of the "Herculean" physique, characterized by bigger joints, a thicker torso and tremendous density. It is the extreme polar opposite of the "Apollonian"  physique, which is characterized by small joints and round muscles, the ultimate example of which being Wheeler and perhaps Melvin Anthony, with Arnold also being in this category. Isn't it interesting that "Dorian"  is named after the people who admired the most the hero who's physique type he epitomizes?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NarcissisticDeity]

does anyone with a scanner have the January 1994 issue of Flex (with the 93 Olympia coverage)?

the full sized poster of dorian in it would be great to scan for this thread.

it shows him doing his now famous arms clasped most muscuar without a hint of detail in sight...

oh wait..

thats just the photoelectric effect again..

Hulkster you and usmoke are owned throughly , give it up .

[NarcissisticDeity]

  One interesting fact about Dorian Yates is his name. Dorian comes from the Dorics, the Indo-European Greek tribe that founded Sparta. Funnily, the Spartans worshipped the demi-god Hercules above all else, even above Zeus himself. Well, Dorian has been presented as the ultimate of the "Herculean" physique, characterized by bigger joints, a thicker torso and tremendous density. It is the extreme polar opposite of the "Apollonian"  physique, which is characterized by small joints and round muscles, the ultimate example of which being Wheeler and perhaps Melvin Anthony, with Arnold also being in this category. Isn't it interesting that "Dorian"  is named after the people who admired the most the hero who's physique type he epitomizes?

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Wow thats crazy ironic , how the hell did you figure that out?

[Hulkster]

Hulkster you and usmoke are owned throughly , give it up .

how are we owned throughly when we have all the proof on our side?

you guys just have claims of fake pics and hocus pocus that applies to dorian not ronnie

this is not hocus pocus.

it is reality:

[Hulkster]

Wow thats crazy ironic , how the hell did you figure that out?

wikipedia can be everyone's friend...

[NarcissisticDeity]

how are we owned throughly when we have all the proof on our side?

you guys just have claims of fake pics and hocus pocus that applies to dorian not ronnie

this is not hocus pocus.

it is reality:

You have nothing left every single on of your theories have been exposed for what they are empty biased ignorant nonsense

I never claimed fake pics YOU DID on more than one occasion I might add and now its hocus pocus? its actually called eye witness accounts

[NarcissisticDeity]

wikipedia can be everyone's friend...

Is that where you found out Dorian's conditioning was a myth? and he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time? lol

[Hulkster]

now you are trying to change the subject.

YOU started the whole fake pics thing in the first place with the morphed dorian back shot. so don't even go there.

and stop trying to imply that suggesting that a pic is morphed is anywhere near the same thing as you guys implying that all the 99 olympia footage was fake and doctored.

its is not the same thing.

to suggest that is just stupid..

oh, wait...

[Hulkster]

Is that where you found out Dorian's conditioning was a myth? and he was the most overrated bodybuilder of all time? lol

I guess I should have been a bit more clear:

what I should have said was:


"dorian's conditioning, although dry, was of no help to his arms, deltoids and quads because they still looked like smooth dough"

there.

happy?

[NarcissisticDeity]

now you are trying to change the subject.

YOU started the whole fake pics thing in the first place with the morphed dorian back shot. so don't even go there.

and stop trying to imply that suggesting that a pic is morphed is anywhere near the same thing as you guys implying that all the 99 olympia footage was fake and doctored.

its is not the same thing.

to suggest that is just stupid..

oh, wait...

Hulkster your memory is NOT serving you well , I never posted that morphed Dorian pic someone else did and someone asked if it was real I looked quick and said yes thats real , so once again you're shit out of luck kid lol I NEVER posted that pic 

I never said the 99 footage was fake I said it was different in color from the other one and whats funny is the ones that others have claimed was fake turned out to be ( according to you guys ) FAKE lmfao talk about irony

so both accounts you're dead wrong and once again I owned you , hell lets make this a trifecta lol you better make sure that quote from from way back in 1999 LOL it was in early 2000 MAN you've been taken a severe beating ever since those 1995 screencaps lol

[ribonucleic]

Hulkster and ND remind me of that Star Trek:TOS episode where that guy who was black on the left/white on the right and the other guy who was white on the left/black on the right end up wrestling with each other in some lost dimension for all eternity.

[suckmymuscle]

Wow thats crazy ironic , how the hell did you figure that out?

  I have a book on art history entitled "Classical Art: The Golden Age Of Greece". It's in German and was written around the late 19th Century. They state that the Greeks saw the human physique as the epitome of creation, and bestowed upon their gods, in tribute, statues that represented them with extraordinary physiques. These physiques would be considered impossible even by modern Olympia standards.

  The statue of Apollon, in the city-state of Corinth, for instance, shows a youth in bloom, around his post-adolescence or early twenties, possesed of a physique characterized by impossible symmetry, superb completeness - no muscle missing -, and extraordinary shape, with all the muscle bellies being very long and round, and attaching to impossibly small joints. His V-taper is simply outstanding and it tapers down to a six-pack that is absolutely symmetrical and really, really deeply etched. He has the round muscles of Wheeler, with the structure of Reeves. Superb. His face shows androgyny, one of the hallmark characteristics of adolescent boys around that age, and of course it is also impossibly perfect.

  Hercules, conversely, featured by Fidias in one of his sculptures, is represented as a mature adult man in his late thirties to age forty, at his peak of muscular density and maturity. He has a large, masculine face, a square jaw and is heavily bearded. His face, of course, is impossibly symmetrical, but also harsh.

  His physique is the ultimate in power and density, with a torso and muscularity that, although not on par with the ergogenically built physiques of today, would impress the Olympia judges due to the incredible thickness, which is enhanced by the large rib cage, and the sqare \ness of the muscles give it an impression of density and power that is unmatched. His is not a pretty boy's physique; it is a manly man's one. Of course, he is also absolutely complete and symmetrical, but his shape gives an impression of power rather than the boyish grace of Apollon.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

P.S: I'm still waiting for Sperm's reply to my post. No matter how many times I read his diatribes, I don't understand his retarded logic. Could anyone please explain to me how a dehydrated man at 3% bodyfat can gain pounds of muscular bodyweight and still lose 10 to 13 pounds of bodyweight? Anyone?

[pobrecito]

P.S: I'm still waiting for Sperm's reply to my post. No matter how many times I read his diatribes, I don't understand his retarded logic. Could anyone please explain to me how a dehydrated man at 3% bodyfat can gain pounds of muscular bodyweight and still lose 10 to 13 pounds of bodyweight? Anyone?

The obvious answer is that he dieted off a great deal of muscle too come in the condition that he did at the 2001AC. Mind you, that is a condition, that is at best, equal to Dorian's best, however Dorian carried 12-14lbs more muscle at that same condition

[suckmymuscle]

The obvious answer is that he dieted off a great deal of muscle too come in the condition that he did at the 2001AC. Mind you, that is a condition, that is at best, equal to Dorian's best, however Dorian carried 12-14lbs more muscle at that same condition

  Exactly. And this has been my point all along. That's a little something called sarcasm. Like I said, if Ronnie had the same muscle mass that he did at the 1999 Olympia at the 2001 ASC, then obvioulsy he lost 13 lbs from somewhere else. Since the weight of organs and bones is stable, then it could not be that. And since Ronnie was at 3% bodyfat in 1999 as well as 2001, this would add up to only 0.39 lbs of bodyfat loss. In other words, all the rest of the weight lost would have to come from water, which is impossible, because Ronnie didn't have 13 lbs of water to lose in his entire body at the 1999 Olympia, let alone under his skin.

  But Sperm went even further than this and argued that Ronnie actually gained muscular tissue from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC, which makes his claims even more outrageous because it would mean that Ronnie lost 13 + X lbs of bodyweight from water, with the "X" representing the number of pounds that he supposedly gained in muscular bodyweight. This is absolutely, utterly impossible.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Hulkster]

The obvious answer is that he dieted off a great deal of muscle too come in the condition that he did at the 2001AC. Mind you, that is a condition, that is at best, equal to Dorian's best, however Dorian carried 12-14lbs more muscle at that same condition

or, you could have the 99 olympia condition, which was the same size as dorian but STILL more full and detailed:

[NeoSeminole]

Flex - July 2005, pg. 158

[NeoSeminole]

I'm still waiting for Sir NeoSeminole to reply to my post. No matter how many times I read his diatribes, I don't understand his retarded logic. Could anyone please explain to me how a dehydrated man at 3% bodyfat can gain pounds of muscular bodyweight and still lose 10 to 13 pounds of bodyweight? Anyone?

simple - he wasn't 3% bf at the 99 Mr. Olympia to begin with and didn't carry more than 1-2 lbs of lean mass total.

[suckmymuscle]

simple - he wasn't 3% bf at the 99 Mr. Olympia to begin with and didn't carry more than 1-2 lbs of lean mass total.

  Yawn, I'm going to bed...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Yawn, I'm going to bed...

[suckmymuscle]

simple - he wasn't 3% bf at the 99 Mr. Olympia to begin with and didn't carry more than 1-2 lbs of lean mass total.

  You still have 11 or 12 lbs to explain. And remember that bodyfat accounts for only 0.3 lbs of that - if Ronnie was at 3% bodyfat at both contests. Now your claim that he was at 4% bodyfat in 1999 is utter speculative bullshit. But let's assume that he was. Now, that would add up to 2.87 lbs that he lost in bodyfat from the 1999 Olympia to the 2001 ASC. So, if he gained 11 lbs, that would mean 8.13 lbs of unexplained weight. Ronnie was dehydrated in 1999, and the difference in conditioning to the 2001 ASC would be the result of 1 or 2 lbs of water - which is a lot. Once again, your retarded ass has been owned.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  Wow, how incredibly witty and offensive. I think I'm gonna cry...

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

You still have 11 or 12 lbs to explain. And remember that bodyfat accounts for only 0.39 lbs of that.

there was only a 10 lbs difference between 99 and 01 ASC. I already gave a plausible reason why he had up to 3 lbs less fat. This leaves only 7 lbs to explain, which I propose is how much less water he carried. When you consider how much flatter his quads and pecs looked, this figure is not farfetched.