Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Iceman1981]

The quality on the Yates pics are WAY off lol I mean seriously

Open the pic to see at 100%. Most of them are scans that I found. If you have better scans, then post and I will use them.

[Hulkster]

are you actually arguing that people are more accurate then photographs, or that eye-witness testimony is more accurate then photos?

if so your a moron. read some psychology, its called confirmation bias, the bystander effect, overexaggeration,belief preseverance etc.... people are biased cameras are not they simple show things as they were/are.


however, angles of pics etc can favor one person or the other, but obviously the camera is the best evidence in a visual sport.

peter already said that ronnie had the best back, and was the best ever.

exactly.

ND is such an idiot. the landslide of 99 evidence showing Ronnie is better is so overwhelming that all the dorian side can do in defence is cry:

"its fake!"

or

"its not accurate!"

sure it isn't....

 

pics CAN be decieving to some extent.

but when you have THIS MUCH coroberating evidence, its just plain naive to suggest that all of it is wrong/inaccurate/fake/doctored/etc etc.


as I said, what's next on the list of excuses for the dorian side??

[pobrecito]

Why the fuck do you keep posting the same damn most-muscular as if it proves who is better . Plus, why is ronnie's chest sunken in and small in that shot? What about the doughy quads?

[natural al]

I'll be the bigger man and say enough is enough , the board is sick of our ' debates ' obviously neither of us are going to convince each other of our opinions , and we've basically said everything we could , so I say lets end this debate out of respect for others , I say you and I stop directly comparing Ronnie & Dorian and leave well enough alone and let the board have a rest lol the ball is now in your court . 

most ironic post in GB history, I hope this thread gets over 1000 pages of the same pics over and over and over and over and over again and again and again.

[pumpster]

You seriously do NOTHING to defend your stance.
You either post pics of Dorians worst showings or him not just standing there.
Ive said it before, Ill say it again... you want to go down that road, there are a million more pics of Ronnie's pregnant stomach when he isnt holding it, than  there is of Dorian.

You asked for it genius..the *originator* of the GH gut and H-taper. He never had Coleman's upperbody size to help compensate for it..

[pumpster]

Ronnie Coleman looks great as far as condition goes when standing alone...

Next to Doz, he just looks like 'water-logged mass'. Ever pic of Coleman is an 'epic' display of water retention under the skin. I mean seriously... It looks like a film of water under his delt and back. The phrase "all drugs" comes to mind when looking at Coleman. I mean, shit, no doubt he trains hard, but the combination of fucking outrageous gynocomastea(droopy nipples), unprecedented stomach bloat causing the chest to look flat, and water retention makes for a second placing.

Coleman owning Yates here standing together, several years before Coleman's peak..you have no credibility.

[Iceman1981]

Why the f**k do you keep posting the same damn most-muscular as if it proves who is better . Plus, why is ronnie's chest sunken in and small in that shot? What about the doughy quads?

Shut the hell up pubes. There are other poses that I posted like the side chest, front latspread, rear latspread, front double bi. Doughy? The only person with doughy quads in those pics, are yates. If you have better scans, post them. Until then stop bytching, because yates is getting owned.

[pumpster]

flesh in blood is a lot more objective than pics and video and peoples opinions based on eye witnessing the event and basing an opinion on the topic is a hell of a lot more objective than an ignorant Hulkster basing his opinion on pictures and video 

Which is why that guy who came on here months ago who attended the shows so nailed it in saying that Coleman was in another league compared with Yates, who he wasn't as impressed with.

Or Peter McGough saying that Coleman's the greatest BB in history. He was there too. Same thing said by Dan Solomon of Pro BB Weekly. 

[pumpster]

fucking retard ronnie is obiously better than dorian shits

Pithy

[pumpster]

Based on two pics? LMFAO and again you have NO basis to comment on Dorian's conditioning especially considering that pictures and video are NOT 100% accurate means of coming to the conclusion , your abilities are limited 

This looks and smells like stock excuse #17, to be recycled along with "bad lighting" and an assortment of other rationalizations.

ND's dementia hides the fact that all the excuses amount to tacit admissions that Yates needs them.

[Shockwave]

Coleman owning Yates here standing together, several years before Coleman's peak..you have no credibility.

You know something doesn't quite add up when Ronnie's waist pre-03 is wider than Dorians.

[NeoSeminole]

You know something doesn't quite add up when Ronnie's waist pre-03 is wider than Dorians.

What pic are you looking at. Ronnie's waist looks narrower to me.

[Shockwave]

What pic are you looking at. Ronnie's waist looks narrower to me.

This one dude.


Their waist's almost look the same size.

[IceCold]

so, pics and videos are not accurate, but biased people's opinions  ARE?

the camera does not lie like people do.

the camera is not influenced by ulterior motives for making statements.

its your interpretation of those pics that make no sense and dont agree with anyone - let alone the experts or people with a clue. 

[IceCold]

Coleman owning Yates here standing together, several years before Coleman's peak..you have no credibility.

that's why ronnie was close to beating dorian in 96.

he only got 6th.

even 204 pound shawn owned his ass.

go back to your bowflex.

[Necrosis]

that's why ronnie was close to beating dorian in 96.

he only got 6th.

even 204 pound shawn owned his ass.

go back to your bowflex.

dude according to that pic ronnie is owning both of them from the back.

[pumpster]

its your interpretation of those pics that make no sense and dont agree with anyone - let alone the experts or people with a clue. 

This "icecold" clown is quite the know-all. A real downer too, so much bitterness. He'll have to up his Prozak it's not working. LOL

Coleman blowing away Yates there in direct comparison, even before Ron was at his best. Not even close-back's far wider, far more dramatic taper, and that was Coleman far smaller than he was later. X-taper's also dramatically better: Yates quite literally looks like the "before" pic. 

As far as the actual placings and excuses based on them, anyone with a shred of common sense comprehends that new guys have to pay their dues, irrespective of merit. Anyone who claims otherwise is either naive or dishonest. I'm referring to icecold and the endless excuses. He should just try honesty for once and admit that he's extremely biased, just prefers Yates based on his arbitrary short list of preferences. Nothing to do with being a better BB.

[RocketSwitch625]

Why does Yates appear fuzzy and out of focus in this comparison? Is it to hide the fact he is destroying Coleman in all areas?

[IceCold]

This "icecold" clown is quite the know-all. A real downer too, so much bitterness. He'll have to up his Prozak it's not working. LOL

As far as the actual placings and excuses based on them, anyone with a shred of common sense comprehends that new guys have to pay their dues, irrespective of merit. Anyone who claims otherwise is either naive or dishonest. I'm referring to icecold and the endless excuses. He should just try honesty for once and admit that he's extremely biased, just prefers Yates based on his arbitrary short list of preferences. Nothing to do with being a better BB.

are you saying that ronnie was a "new guy" in 1996.

you do know he turned pro in 91 and won a pro show in 95.

you also pretend to be an expert on training and bbing, but dont even go to a gym, instead you opt for a bowflex in your basement.

as far as excuses go - you are the one who claims all of yates' win were politically motivated but in 923 pages you have not provided 1 example. 

what is your excuse for that?

what is your excuses for not going to a gym and using a bowflex?

after being called out, are you going to disappear from this thread for another month like you do every time somoene calls you out and asks you to back up what you're saying?

[NarcissisticDeity]

are you actually arguing that people are more accurate then photographs, or that eye-witness testimony is more accurate then photos?

if so your a moron. read some psychology, its called confirmation bias, the bystander effect, over exaggeration,belief preseverance etc.... people are biased cameras are not they simple show things as they were/are.


however, angles of pics etc can favor one person or the other, but obviously the camera is the best evidence in a visual sport.

peter already said that ronnie had the best back, and was the best ever.

The more you type the more opportunities you present me with to correct you ! your opinion is worthless compared to a judge absolutely worthless compared to some one who was there live and in person , someone who knows what the criteria is , how to apply it , and knows what to look for , we've already established you know almost nothing about competitive bodybuilding , the ' definition round ring ' a bell? you obviously don't know the criteria , don't know how to apply it , Ronnie has better balance ring a bell? and what wins contests and what you think wins contests

And pictures ARE NOT the best gauge to judge a bodybuilding contest , sitting in the judges seat is , pictures can lie , they can be deceptive and they're not 100% accurate , sure they help to use people who didn't attend the show and couple that with video and thats even better than pics however NEITHER trump the judges seat or being in the flesh if you're trying to argue to the contrary you're ice-skating up-hill

peter already said that ronnie had the best back, and was the best ever.

You just made a case against people and then quote Peter I mean what a hypocritical thing to do  lol he can't be trusted ( by your logic ) yet you quote him , so because Peter says Ronnie has the best back , he does? I have quotes from Samir Bannout & Ronnie himself stating Dorian has the best back does that mean it is? it works both ways and stop dismissing all the quotes that favor my position and then use them when  it works for you.

[NarcissisticDeity]

This "icecold" clown is quite the know-all. A real downer too, so much bitterness. He'll have to up his Prozak it's not working. LOL

Coleman blowing away Yates there in direct comparison, even before Ron was at his best. Not even close-back's far wider, far more dramatic taper, and that was Coleman far smaller than he was later. X-taper's also dramatically better: Yates quite literally looks like the "before" pic. 

As far as the actual placings and excuses based on them, anyone with a shred of common sense comprehends that new guys have to pay their dues, irrespective of merit. Anyone who claims otherwise is either naive or dishonest. I'm referring to icecold and the endless excuses. He should just try honesty for once and admit that he's extremely biased, just prefers Yates based on his arbitrary short list of preferences. Nothing to do with being a better BB.

Same contest and Dorian outclassing Ronnie and everyone else

[IceCold]

ronnie getting dwarfed and out conditioned.

so much for the taper, arms, etc. etc. 

[NarcissisticDeity]

ronnie getting dwarfed and out conditioned.

so much for the taper, arms, etc. etc. 

The funny parts is they'll post that rear relaxed shot and claim a victory based on that show lol again they base it all on Ronnie's strengths and assumed strengths and overlook , conditioning , density , balance , pure stupidity

[pobrecito]

Furthur proof that Coleman is all drugs and that Yates was a far more cerebral bodybuilder, which led to his superior conditioning:

Firstly, I dont work with either Kerry of John, I have never met them. Dorian handles my training. He and Kris Gethin map my nutrition.

The difference with my my preperation for last years Texas show was that I followed a high fat diet that only included a high of 20mins cardio in the am and the same in the pm.
My training was prepped by Dorian 5 months out from the show and the results were amazing. Much of my conditioning on the day I devote to being very clean and healthy. Im not going to treat you like your stupid by telling you Im natural but I bet I was probably the most natural person on stage. Somebody quoted (male IFBB pro) that I must have taken a bucket load of duretics - I took asparagus and nothing else! My nutritionist and Dorian believe that if you take too many substances it puts such an impact on your liver and kidneys that the body cant lose excess fluid - they were right!

My whole nutrition program is in the current issue of Kaged Muscle

Thankyou for you compliments Ubaz.

Hugs,
MJ

[Hulkster]

Shut the hell up pubes. There are other poses that I posted like the side chest, front latspread, rear latspread, front double bi. Doughy? The only person with doughy quads in those pics, are yates. If you have better scans, post them. Until then stop bytching, because yates is getting owned.

great post!