Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[Hulkster]

he didn't beat people because he had a wider back , he beat everyone because he was bigger , better balanced , had unrivaled density and conditioning , he still has these edges against Ronnie , you will never be able to escape that

sure he would....


 

[NarcissisticDeity]

sure he would....


 

I love how you can't counter so you post slanted comparisons lol I love when you admit defeat , hey post a 1996 pic 

[Hulkster]

and Flex beat Ronnie despite never being as wide or as heavy , ever wonder why?

no, I didn't because I am not an idiot.

the Ronnie that lost to flex was a poorly conditioned, and scrawny by comparison (not much fullness compared to his 98/9 forms) version of his peak form..

only an idiot like yourself would suggest that because Flex beat Ronnie in 1996 that Dorian would therefore win against a Ronnie 1999..

you really should take a course in philosophy.

you would learn so much about how to avoid making premises that make no sense.

[Hulkster]

I love how you can't counter so you post slanted comparisons lol I love when you admit defeat , hey post a 1996 pic 

please explain exactly how those comparisons are slanted.

we would all love to know.

just because dorian has the upper body of an amateur compared to Ronnie does not mean the comparisons are slanted.

[NarcissisticDeity]

no, I didn't because I am not an idiot.

the Ronnie that lost to flex was a poorly conditioned, and scrawny by comparison (not much fullness compared to his 98/9 forms) version of his peak form..

only an idiot like yourself would suggest that because Flex beat Ronnie in 1996 that Dorian would therefore win against a Ronnie 1999..

you really should take a course in philosophy.

you would learn so much about how to avoid making premises that make no sense.

Oh Flex just didn't just beat Ronnie in 1996 and every time he did beat Ronnie he NEVER was heavier or was wider , your logic is stupid you're an idiot , Flex easily beat a much bigger and wider Ronnie , these are NOT absolutes

And I never said Flex in 96 beat Ronnie so Dorian would beat him , I've always maintained Dorian would beat Ronnie because he better met the criteria and you've yet to counter this , none of you have , you've all tried in vain , you claimed the dumbest things , Ronnie is better balanced , better conditioned , looks better is two of his worse shots and two of Dorian's best lol is bigger when he's smaller

Dorian would beat Ronnie because he's better balanced , bigger ( depending on the year ) has better density and conditioning , thats exactly why he would beat Ronnie , despite all his ' flaws ' despite NOT having Ronnie type biceps , or taper or ' aesthetics ' or rectus femoris , Dorian would crush Ronnie in most of the mandatories , again we'll give Ronnie the symmetry round ( being kind ) and Yates would win the muscularity round and the two posing rounds , you're trapped and in chess they call this check-mate 

[NarcissisticDeity]

please explain exactly how those comparisons are slanted.

we would all love to know.

just because dorian has the upper body of an amateur compared to Ronnie does not mean the comparisons are slanted.

One the pic of Yates up top doesn't show him off to his best , it s scan and Dorian's detail isn't as apparent in other pics i.e. 1995 and you really , really need to stop making stupid statements , Dorian's upper body is world class , stop acting like Ronnie is untouchable , Ronnie may have had a field day with guys that were past their primes like Flex and Levrone , but he never faced a spot-on injury free Dorian , he could barely handle Flex 1998 and thats supposed to beat Dorian? lol

LEARN 

[NarcissisticDeity]

quote Flex magazine Jan 1999

When Ronnie is 100% , Flex has to be 100% to prevail. On October 10 , 1998 , Flex wasn't and Ronnie was.

I.E. if Flex was 100% Ronnie would have been second

[pobrecito]

One the pic of Yates up top doesn't show him off to his best , it s scan and Dorian's detail isn't as apparent in other pics i.e. 1995 and you really , really need to stop making stupid statements , Dorian's upper body is world class , stop acting like Ronnie is untouchable , Ronnie may have had a field day with guys that were past their primes like Flex and Levrone , but he never faced a spot-on injury free Dorian , he could barely handle Flex 1998 and thats supposed to beat Dorian? lol

LEARN 

OWNED!! Great post !!

[NeoSeminole]

The pic clearly shows that Ronnie's taper is worse, you idiot. What is there to discuss? Taper is the differential between clavicle and waist width, and Wheeler has a better one in the pic I posted.

no it doesn't, you dipshit. You can't see anything b/c the pic is so small. Taper is not the difference between the width of the clavicles and the waist. It's determined by the width of the lats in relation to the waist. Think about what you are saying. The width of the clavicles and the waist are the same when viewed from the front and back. Ronnie destroys Flex in taper from the back. However, you are claiming that some magically property allows Flex to manipulate his bone structure and have better taper from the front.

How come if Dorian's arms were 21"? Besides, that would be a much less grave mistake than thinking that 247 is a bigger number than 257.

Dorian's arms were never 21" except maybe in the offseason. If you want to use an offseason measurement, then Ronnie's arms are 24", which is still more than 2" larger than Dorian's. I doubt that Dorian's arms ever exceeded 20.5" onstage. Ronnie's were 23" at the 03 Mr. Olympia. 23 - 20.5 = 2.5, which is greater than 2.

Of course you did, but because I called you out. So, you had to give a reply, no matter how stupid, to save face. And by the way, you did ignore several of my posts and then when I pointed it out you said it was because I wasn't even worth arguing with. Yeah, the classical way out.

I don't have to reply to you. I choose to b/c it suits me. The last thing I'm worried about is trying to save face in front of a bunch of strangers online. Furthermore, I don't ignore your replies unless you type marathon posts.

[pobrecito]

Dorian's arms were never 21" except maybe in the offseason. If you want to use an offseason measurement, then Ronnie's arms are 24", which is still more than 2" larger than Dorian's. I doubt that Dorian's arms ever exceeded 20.5" onstage. Ronnie's were 23" at the 03 Mr. Olympia. 23 - 20.5 = 2.5, which is greater than 2.

I'd put money on Dorian's arms being bigger than 20.5" in 93

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian's arms were never 21" except maybe in the offseason

Why do you state these things as fact , how the hell do you know his arm measurement? and where did you get Ronnie's arms were 23"? I mean , you are going the Hulkster route

[RocketSwitch625]

I like how Hulkster starts to get angry when he knows he is losing an argument. I think of Hulkster whenever I see this video. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8q_AGKn_hE

[Hulkster]

I'd put money on Dorian's arms being bigger than 20.5" in 93

if you think that is true, then how big do you think ronnie's arms were in 99?

just curious.

[pobrecito]

if you think that is true, then how big do you think ronnie's arms were in 99?

just curious.

I'd say they are around 23"

Back in 97 Ronnie claimed 23" arms, and he clearly had them, from that point on in his career he didn't train them to grow them anymore, just to maintain them.

Ronnie's arms are the best of all-time by virtue of the show muscle, biceps. However, this really isn't much of an advantage over Dorian becuase overall the biceps are a fairly insignificant muscle group.

[RocketSwitch625]

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[Hulkster]

However, this really isn't much of an advantage over Dorian becuase overall the biceps are a fairly insignificant muscle group.

I disagree.

but if you believe that, then you must also believe that the calves are just as unimportant...

[NarcissisticDeity]

Hulkster thinks Ronnie would beat Dorian because he would be comparable in terms of size , be at least as wide and have better detail and aesthetics , okay now lets pick apart his logic and expose it for what it is , ignorant nonsense

First of all Ronnie is comparable in terms of muscular bulk , in 1999 he was 257 pounds and Dorian in 1995 was 260 pounds , however Ronnie is holding water at this weight , and Dorian is not so the advantage is in Dorian's favor

Width - Both are very wide bodybuilders and Ronnie does have a better taper , however having the greater width or a better taper doesn't NOT mean you'll win , many examples of this , Shawn Ray beating Nasser El Sonbaty despite width NOT being a strength for him , same with taper Ronnie had a better width than Ronnie yet Flex managed to consistantly beat him and many others despite not being the widest

Detail - this is a constant blanket statement from camp-delusional  , these are the areas where Dorian has a CLEAR advantage in detail and NOT where he equals him

abdominals
intercostals
serattus
obliques
trapezius
teres major
infraspinatus
latissimus
erector spinae
gastrocnemius inner head
gastrocnemius outer head
solues
tibialis anterior
tensor fasciae latae
satorius


These are the areas Dorian equals Ronnie in detail

laterial triceps
long head triceps
glutes
vastus medialis
vatus laeralis
pectoralis
biceps femoris
semimembranosus
semitendinosus
anterior deltoid
medial deltoid
posterior deltoid

These are the areas Dorian doesn't compare to Ronnie in terms of detail

brachialis
biceps brachii
rectus femoris
middle head of the triceps
triceps brachii ( from the front )

Please stop making blanket statements of Ronnie having better detail , besides simply not being true its old


Aesthetics - another very desperate attempt at an advantage , Dorian beat with ease some of the most aesthetic bodybuilders of all time and Ronnie's not even aesthetic , more-so than Dorian but he beat Lee Labrada , Bob Paris both are top of the aesthetics food chain , does Dorian need to be aesthetic to beat an aesthetic bodybuilder? obvious not , so another pathetic attempt

Now why would Dorian beat Ronnie 1999?

Equal size , better conditioning , better balance and better proportions , and a clear advantage in density , Dorian simple looks much better in the mandatory poses and he would beat Ronnie in the muscularity round , we'll give Ronnie the symmetry round and Dorian would walk away with both posing rounds , my case is made and they can't counter it , they've tried every angle and still can't compete , its check-mate.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I disagree.

but if you believe that, then you must also believe that the calves are just as unimportant...

Medicore biceps can be hidden , weak calves cannot , weak calves are a major liability , especially compared to someone who has them , they hurt to many poses.

[Hulkster]

Hulkster thinks Ronnie would beat Dorian because he would be comparable in terms of size , be at least as wide and have better detail and aesthetics , okay now lets pick apart his logic and expose it for what it is , ignorant nonsense

First of all Ronnie is comparable in terms of muscular bulk , in 1999 he was 257 pounds and Dorian in 1995 was 260 pounds , however Ronnie is holding water at this weight , and Dorian is not so the advantage is in Dorian's favor

Width - Both are very wide bodybuilders and Ronnie does have a better taper , however having the greater width or a better taper doesn't NOT mean you'll win , many examples of this , Shawn Ray beating Nasser El Sonbaty despite width NOT being a strength for him , same with taper Ronnie had a better width than Ronnie yet Flex managed to consistantly beat him and many others despite not being the widest

Detail - this is a constant blanket statement from camp-delusional  , these are the areas where Dorian has a CLEAR advantage in detail and NOT where he equals him

abdominals
intercostals
serattus
obliques
trapezius
teres major
infraspinatus
latissimus
erector spinae
gastrocnemius inner head
gastrocnemius outer head
solues
tibialis anterior
tensor fasciae latae
satorius


These are the areas Dorian equals Ronnie in detail

laterial triceps
long head triceps
glutes
vastus medialis
vatus laeralis
pectoralis
biceps femoris
semimembranosus
semitendinosus
anterior deltoid
medial deltoid
posterior deltoid

These are the areas Dorian doesn't compare to Ronnie in terms of detail

brachialis
biceps brachii
rectus femoris
middle head of the triceps
triceps brachii ( from the front )

Please stop making blanket statements of Ronnie having better detail , besides simply not being true its old


Aesthetics - another very desperate attempt at an advantage , Dorian beat with ease some of the most aesthetic bodybuilders of all time and Ronnie's not even aesthetic , more-so than Dorian but he beat Lee Labrada , Bob Paris both are top of the aesthetics food chain , does Dorian need to be aesthetic to beat an aesthetic bodybuilder? obvious not , so another pathetic attempt

Now why would Dorian beat Ronnie 1999?

Equal size , better conditioning , better balance and better proportions , and a clear advantage in density , Dorian simple looks much better in the mandatory poses and he would beat Ronnie in the muscularity round , we'll give Ronnie the symmetry round and Dorian would walk away with both posing rounds , my case is made and they can't counter it , they've tried every angle and still can't compete , its check-mate.

did you write that or did sucky?

either way, the result is the same:

monster bullshit that can all be disproven by a quick glance to reality:

[NeoSeminole]

Yawn? if you can't beat em join em and please I mean you're really reaching for edges with this traps nonsense and I don't blame you he really need to look for edges in this pose , and again entertaining this nonsense that wouldn't compensate for is many other flaws in this pose , and proportion is a prerequisite its asked for in the criteria and Dorian's forearms are in proportion with his biceps/triceps and Ronnie's aren't this isn't a straw advantage like your ' Ronnie's traps appear bigger '

how the f*ck am I joining you if I'm arguing against you? Lame attempt at sounding witty there, buddy. I can picture you sitting at your computer with a smirk on your face b/c you think you said something smart. I'm not reaching for any edges by including traps in my assessment. You, the 'all-knowing bodybuilding expert,' even said yourself that the judges evaluate each muscle from head to toe. Now you claim I'm grasping at straws when it doesn't suit you. Grow up.

You said Ronnie was ' holding is own ' and thats just nonsense you're like Hulkster it looks good to you than that means he's holding his own , Dorian's textbook , Ronnie not

listen carefully b/c I'm repeating myself with you. I said that Ronnie is holding his own in your comparison. I wasn't referring to other side triceps comparisons. I never said that Ronnie has a better side triceps. My opinion is not nonsense b/c I supported it with explanations and illustrative examples. You act like I'm just making up the fact that Ronnie's pecs are more balanced or that his triceps lateral head has better definition.

I can use the lower body all I want , its part of the pose and I mean just like his forearms being overwhelmed by his biceps/triceps his calves are dominated by his quads

no, you cannot use lower body since I was specifically referring to your comparison. It does not include the legs. Now if you made another comparison which did include the legs, then it's fair game to critique their lower body.

Conditioning is irrelevant huh? lol this is exactly why you guys always fall flat on your faces , you simply don't know what you're talking about , Conditioning is definition , or at the least a part of it , how does one get their muscles defined? through conditioning , in the process of riding the body of any excess s/q fat and water the muscles become clearly defined , having the edge in conditioning separates one competitor from an other , 1998 Ronnie was better conditioned than Flex in the hams & glutes and won because of it , call it better definition of the hams & glutes its stull the same thing

conditioning is irrelevant in this case since it's not judged directly. A judge doesn't award a competitor b/c he is the most conditioned. Simply put, there is no way to indirectly measure conditioning without using definition. The reason conditioning is important is b/c it's positively correlated with separations and striations. In your comparison, Ronnie has superior definition in his pecs, delts and triceps.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from Suckmyasshole himself.

what's the point of big musles if you lack the separations to display them?

[NarcissisticDeity]

did you write that or did sucky?

either way, the result is the same:

monster bullshit that can all be disproven by a quick glance to reality:

Thank you for admitting defeat 

[pumpster]

Medicore biceps can be hidden , weak calves cannot , weak calves are a major liability ,

Massive rationalization from someone who doesn't get basic BB fundamentals. Bis are some of the most basic muscles in BB judging. ROFL

[pumpster]

Bob Chick, tonight's PBW:


-Nasser should've beaten Yates in '97.

-Ray not beating Yates at least one year is a crime.

-Yates should've been beaten multiple years.

hahahahahahahahahahahaha hah

[NeoSeminole]

Medicore biceps can be hidden

monster bullshit of epic proportions. Let's see... the biceps are visible in the:

- front double biceps
- side chest
- front lat spread
- rear double biceps
- most muscular

that's 5 out of the 8 mandatory poses the biceps can be seen in. Mediocre biceps will still look like mediocre biceps.

[NarcissisticDeity]

how the f*ck am I joining you if I'm arguing against you? Lame attempt at sounding witty there, buddy. I can picture you sitting at your computer with a smirk on your face b/c you think you said something smart. I'm not reaching for any edges by including traps in my assessment. You, the 'all-knowing bodybuilding expert,' even said yourself that the judges evaluate each muscle from head to toe. Now you claim I'm grasping at straws when it doesn't suit you. Grow up.

listen carefully b/c I'm repeating myself with you. I said that Ronnie is holding his own in your comparison. I wasn't referring to other side triceps comparisons. I never said that Ronnie has a better side triceps. My opinion is not nonsense b/c I supported it with explanations and illustrative examples. You act like I'm just making up the fact that Ronnie's pecs are more balanced or that his triceps lateral head has better definition.

no, you cannot use lower body since I was specifically referring to your comparison. It does not include the legs. Now if you made another comparison which did include the legs, then it's fair game to critique their lower body.

conditioning is irrelevant in this case since it's not judged directly. A judge doesn't award a competitor b/c he is the most conditioned. Simply put, there is no way to indirectly measure conditioning without using definition. The reason conditioning is important is b/c it's positively correlated with separations and striations. In your comparison, Ronnie has superior definition in his pecs, delts and triceps.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from Suckmyasshole himself.

how the f*ck am I joining you if I'm arguing against you? Lame attempt at sounding witty there, buddy. I can picture you sitting at your computer with a smirk on your face b/c you think you said something smart. I'm not reaching for any edges by including traps in my assessment. You, the 'all-knowing bodybuilding expert,' even said yourself that the judges evaluate each muscle from head to toe. Now you claim I'm grasping at straws when it doesn't suit you. Grow up.

You're joing me because you keep using my terminology ( yawn )  they say when you start using your adversaries lingo you've admitted defeat , and no you really are reaching with the traps comment and I even entertained it as an advantage and it still doesn't compensate for his other flaws

listen carefully b/c I'm repeating myself with you. I said that Ronnie is holding his own in your comparison. I wasn't referring to other side triceps comparisons. I never said that Ronnie has a better side triceps. My opinion is not nonsense b/c I supported it with explanations and illustrative examples. You act like I'm just making up the fact that Ronnie's pecs are more balanced or that his triceps lateral head has better definition.

Oh please its the side triceps pose and Ronnie is not holding his own , thats your opinion and its not based objectively on any criteria its based on what you think looks better , and you are making up these assumed advantages and I even did you a favor by entertaining them and either way he's still not holding his own , advantages or NOT

no, you cannot use lower body since I was specifically referring to your comparison. It does not include the legs. Now if you made another comparison which did include the legs, then it's fair game to critique their lower body.

I can use the lower body is I chose so , I don't need your permission lol and Ronnie that would make it even worse for Ronnie , despite any other imaginary advantages you need to come up with

conditioning is irrelevant in this case since it's not judged directly. A judge doesn't award a competitor b/c he is the most conditioned. Simply put, there is no way to indirectly measure conditioning without using definition. The reason conditioning is important is b/c it's positively correlated with separations and striations. In your comparison, Ronnie has superior definition in his pecs, delts and triceps.

I'll leave you with some words of wisdom from Suckmyasshole himself.

Nonsense with all things being equal conditioning will either win you the conest or lack there of will lose it for you , this is not debatable and again how do you get defined muscles ? through great conditioning , through dropping water and fat so the muscles can be shown to their fullest again one can have separated muscles and STILL hold water & fat , one can STILL have striations and being carrying water , to be bone dry & rock hard is highly prized on bodybuilding competitions

Ronnie does not have superior definition in his pecs , delts and triceps thats simply not true .