Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[NeoSeminole]

Ronnie's rear lat blows.....it's about as good as Nasser's in this shot which gets annihilated by Diesel.

sure

[pobrecito]

now the troll says ronnie's rear lat blows.

tune in next week to see if he has switched sides again..



 

same old excuse.

1 year from now you will still be waiting to see if I "change sides" hahahahaha

Truth of the matter is, I have always favored Dorian, ever since I start following bodybuilding. I have also liked Ronnie, his character is unmatched in the sport. The 99 screencaps of Ronnie just blew me away.....but many of Yates' pictures also blow me away....many of which were posted by ND after page 500 or so. I am sick of having to regurgitate this for you....so quit making your f*ggoty excuses and address my posts instead of using your same old cop-out. Based on your position in this thread, it is your duty to rebutt any statement I make, regardless of which "side" I am on.


As far as your 01ASC picture, I am not even sure how Ronnie is beating Cormier there

[suckmymuscle]

obviously not since a few of you still believe that Dorian was harder overall.

  Wrong! It is exactly because it is appareNt to the eyes that most people readily say that Dorian's conditioning at his best was superior to Ronnie's. Owned, you idiot.

did I compare a fat man and a bodybuilder? No, you piece of shit. The difference in conditioning between Dorian and Ronnie is so small that if you asked a child who is harder, they probably wouldn't know hence my analogy with the bowling ball and a rock.

  Irrelevant, since we're talking about what's possible here: it is possible for random peopole to tell which bodybuilder is harder by just looking at them; it is not possible for random people to tell who's the best bodybuilder because this involves specialized knowledge, which they lack. Case close. I'm not going to cotinue debating this with you because it's retarded and frankly beneath me.

oh really? Ask anyone who looks "harder" in these pics. Let's see if everyone unanimously agrees.

  Your argument is self-defeating because the vast majority of people have already said that Dorian's conditioning is better. Dorian became famous for his conditioning; Ronnie did not. Get over it. Ronnie became famous for his size and shape, yes, but for his conditioning? No! When it comes to conditioning, it's welcome to Yatesland!

oh my, how I love making you my b*tch.

  You couldn't make me your bitch even if you were an actual man, and not the skinny turd with the gay face and crappy physique that your truly are.

Peter McGough - "Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Did he say it would be a tie? No.

  Peter also said that the best physique he saw off-stage was that of sock-wearing Dorian that was taken six weeks out of the 1993 Olympia. I think that when he said Ronnie's 2001 ASC physique was unbeatable, he was refering to the current crop of pros, and not of all times. Are we really to expect that Ronnie would be unbeatable when compared to, say, 237 lbs, 1974 Olympia Arnold?

  Regardless, and as much as I respect Peter's opinion, it is not an official proclamation, because McGough is not an official I.F.B.B judge, so while his opinion definitely carries more weight than mine, it is still only that: a powerless person saying what physique he considers best.

  For instance, Jim Manion, former NPC President and now pro divisio chairman of the I.F.B.B, stated a few years back that Dorian's 1995 package was the best he's ever seen. Also, as ND pointed out, Bev Francis, another official judge, regards Dorian the greatest ever. What do you have to say now, bitch? If you can get a panel of 5 or more professional judges and they say that Ronnie at his best would defeat Dorian at his best, then I will apologize and admit publicly that Ronnie would win. I would still regard Dorian as better, but I would accept the reality that Coleman would defeat Dorian at an actual contest. Can you do that? No, so shut the fuck up, bitch.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

sucky you obviously dont understand what taper is. the delts do not taper down to the waist. the lats create the gradual taper.

your analogy is saying that the letter T creates a taper. if you draw a line from both ends of the top portion of the T(delts) to the bottom of the letter(waist) you would in fact have a v drawn. however, this is not taper,  V is a taper see how it gradual increases in size from one point. the delts to waist are the endpoints, and have there part in taper but the lats from the waist are what create taper. people with low lat insertions have the most potential for taper.

the lats are visible in the front relaxed. ahah were did you come up with this?

heres a pic, erase his lats and tell me how there is a gradual decrease from shoulder to waist? you cant, your wrong. unless you dont understand what taper means. please post the definition your working from

  Completely wrong. In the picture you've posted, the man is angling his arms out to show his lats. By definition, he's not "relaxed". If you think that the shoulders don't create taper, then consider a swimmer. Doesen't he have better taper from the front than an average man? Yes, he does. Why? Because his shoulders are broader! You can't get over this fact. You are confusing the literal definition of the word taper with actual taper as it applies to bodybuilding, which are two different things. Flex Wheeler had tremendous taper from the front, despite having weak lats. How do you explain this? Answer: his waist was tiny and his lateral delt heads were very developed, creating an incredible contrast between the two.  Words in bodybuilding are not literal, dude. For instance, the back double biceps is called that even though the biceps represent an insignificant percentage of the muscle mass displayed while performing this mandatory. When a bodybuilder walks out to the stage of competition, his arms are rested to his sides, yet his taper is clearly visible as the differential between shoulders and waist.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

Here you go

  Thanks for proving my point!

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[NeoSeminole]

Wrong! It is exactly because it is appareNt to the eyes that most people readily say that Dorian's conditioning at his best was superior to Ronnie's. Owned, you idiot.

bwahahahaha, obviously it's not apparent to the eyes b/c several people have said that Ronnie looks more conditioned than Dorian. Usmokepole even asked what criteria you use to indirectly determine conditioning. The best answer you could come up with is "hardcore muscle." To me, Ronnie looks harder in the arms, delts, pecs, glutes, quads and hamstrings b/c he has more visible separations and striations. You can't say that Dorian has better conditioning without at least offering a plausible explanation why.

Irrelevant, since we're talking about what's possible here: it is possible for random peopole to tell which bodybuilder is harder by just looking at them; it is not possible for random people to tell who's the best bodybuilder because this involves specialized knowledge, which they lack. Case close. I'm not going to cotinue debating this with you because it's retarded and frankly beneath me.

I've heard people say that Arnold looks harder than Ronnie in this pic.



Mind you, the difference in conditioning between them is even greater than the difference between Dorian and Ronnie. So no, I don't buy your excuse that evaluating hardness from pics is so "simple that even a child can do" it.

Your argument is self-defeating because the vast majority of people have already said that Dorian's conditioning is better. Dorian became famous for his conditioning; Ronnie did not.

Ask anyone who looks harder in these comparisons. Let's start a poll, shall we?

You couldn't make me your bitch even if you were an actual man, and not the skinny turd with the gay face and crappy physique that your truly are.

this coming from the pussy who's too afraid to post a pic of himself. Yeah, that really hurt my feelings.

Peter also said that the best physique he saw off-stage was that of sock-wearing Dorian that was taken six weeks out of the 1993 Olympia. I think that when he said Ronnie's 2001 ASC physique was unbeatable, he was refering to the current crop of pros, and not of all times. Are we really to expect that Ronnie would be unbeatable when compared to, say, 237 lbs, 1974 Olympia Arnold?

Peter McGough - "Ronnie sporting that (01 ASC) look would, in my opinion, be unbeatable."

Did he say it would be a tie? No.

[NeoSeminole]

Completely wrong. In the picture you've posted, the man is angling his arms out to show his lats. By definition, he's not "relaxed". If you think that the shoulders don't create taper, then consider a swimmer. Doesen't he have better taper from the front than an average man? Yes, he does. Why? Because his shoulders are broader! You can't get over this fact. You are confusing the literal definition of the word taper with actual taper as it applies to bodybuilding, which are two different things. Flex Wheeler had tremendous taper from the front, despite having weak lats. How do you explain this? Answer: his waist was tiny and his lateral delt heads were very developed, creating an incredible contrast between the two.  Words in bodybuilding are not literal, dude. For instance, the back double biceps is called that even though the biceps represent an insignificant percentage of the muscle mass displayed while performing this mandatory. When a bodybuilder walks out to the stage of competition, his arms are rested to his sides, yet his taper is clearly visible as the differential between shoulders and waist.

I like how Suckmyasshole invents his own definition of taper to support his argument. There's a reason why no one ever mentions taper in the side chest or most muscular.

[pobrecito]

The back is the single most important bodypart in a contest, this is undisputable.

Whenever there are questions about contest placing, the first question is "what did he look like from the back?"

That being said, you cannot post a single Ronnie picture matching Dorian's conditioning and detail from the back.

The back double biceps is the single most important pose in all of bodybuilding as it gives the best evaluation of muscularity, symmetry, and proportion. This is straight from the IFBB judging criteria.

Ronnie had a great RDBL....Dorian's was just a little better. Why is this so hard for you to accept?

[NeoSeminole]

yawn, Peter McGough says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time.

[Hulkster]

The back is the single most important bodypart in a contest, this is undisputable.

Whenever there are questions about contest placing, the first question is "what did he look like from the back?"

That being said, you cannot post a single Ronnie picture matching Dorian's conditioning and detail from the back.

again, ignoring the evidence:

[pobrecito]

again, ignoring the evidence:

Thanks for posting a picture of a softer and smaller Ronnie LOL.

The sad part for you is, that picture represents Ronnie's all-time best conditioning at a measly 247lbs. Any way you look at it, Yates is superior

[Hulkster]

Ask anyone who looks harder in these comparisons. Let's start a poll, shall we?

exactly. Ronnie makes dorian look relatively soft in the arms, quads, glutes, hams, delts and chest.

[NeoSeminole]

where the hell did Dorian's lower back go? It looks like a shark came and ate it. Ronnie's lower back is much thicker in comparison.

[pobrecito]

Once again, Hulkster clinging to the most-muscular for life LOL

[NeoSeminole]

Once again, Hulkster clinging to the most-muscular for life LOL

oh give me a break! Do you know how many times the Dorian nuthuggers have posted a pic of Dorian hitting the back scrunchy pose? It's not even a mandatory pose for christ's sake.

[pobrecito]

oh give me a break! Do you know how many times the Dorian nuthuggers have posted a pic of Dorian hitting the back scrunchy pose? It's not even a mandatory pose for christ's sake.

I dont ever recall posting a back "scrunchy" pose...wtf that is.

These shots of Yates are outstanding, and unmatched by Coleman.

[Hulkster]

oh give me a break! Do you know how many times the Dorian nuthuggers have posted a pic of Dorian hitting the back scrunchy pose? It's not even a mandatory pose for christ's sake.

exactly. and don't forget the cropped ab shot not showing the (crappy) quads...

and besides, maybe if dorian had a better upper body compared to Ronnie it wouldn't be such a problem, would it?

the nuthuggers get all worked up because Ronnie owns dorian in the arm, delt and chest departments.

and the mostmuscular shows us exactly why and how.

[The Heckler]

I'll be the bigger man and say enough is enough , the board is sick of our ' debates ' obviously neither of us are going to convince each other of our opinions , and we've basically said everything we could , so I say lets end this debate out of respect for others , I say you and I stop directly comparing Ronnie & Dorian and leave well enough alone and let the board have a rest lol the ball is now in your court . 

yeah

[NeoSeminole]

These shots of Yates are outstanding, and unmatched by Coleman.

these shots of Ronnie are unmatched by Dorian.

[pobrecito]

exactly. and don't forget the cropped ab shot not showing the (crappy) quads...

and besides, maybe if dorian had a better upper body compared to Ronnie it wouldn't be such a problem, would it?

the nuthuggers get all worked up because Ronnie owns dorian in the arm, delt and chest departments.

and the mostmuscular shows us exactly why and how.

You dyke, Dorian had a fantastic upper body.

Side Tri - Dorian by a mile
Ab/thigh - Dorian by a mile
Most-muscular - Ronnie (although the 98 and 01AC versions would be defeated by yates due to inferior muscularity)
Front Lat - Dorian by a mile
Front double biceps - 93 Yates beats Coleman....Coleman beats any other version of Yates due to torn biceps.

There you have it.

Even if you give Ronnie the front double biceps, Dorian still wins 3 out of the 5 "upper body" mandatories.
So much for your "Dorian's upper body sucks" theory

Once again, Hulkster in love with the most-muscular and thinks it has any relevance to any of the other mandatories hahahahahah

[The Heckler]

these shots of Ronnie are unmatched by Dorian.

I disagree

[NeoSeminole]

Side Tri - Dorian by a mile
Ab/thigh - Dorian by a mile
Most-muscular - Ronnie (although the 98 and 01AC versions would be defeated by yates due to inferior muscularity)
Front Lat - Dorian by a mile
Front double biceps - 93 Yates beats Coleman....Coleman beats any other version of Yates due to torn biceps

front double biceps - Ronnie
front lat spread - Ronnie
side chest - Ronnie
rear double biceps - tie
rear lat spread - tie
side triceps - Dorian
abs-and-thighs - Dorian
most muscular - Ronnie

Ronnie wins 5 to 3.

[pobrecito]

front double biceps - Ronnie
front lat spread - Ronnie
side chest - Ronnie
rear double biceps - tie
rear lat spread - tie
side triceps - Dorian
abs-and-thighs - Dorian
most muscular - Ronnie

Ronnie wins 5 to 3.

front double biceps - Ronnie
front lat spread - Yates (only an idiot would say Coleman, his lats are invisible, two outsiders came in an clearly said Yates was untouchable in the front lat on iceman's comparo)
side chest - Ronnie
rear double biceps - Yates
rear lat spread - Yates
side triceps - Yates
abs-and-thighs - Yates
most muscular - Ronnie

Yates wins 5 to 3

Hope this helps

[Hulkster]

(although the 98 and 01AC versions would be defeated by yates due to inferior muscularity)

wrong. Ronnie was 247 at the 2001 AC and Chris Cormeir was 257 at the same show.

and Ronnie blew Chris off the stage that night.

so, a 10 pound weight advantage means nothing if the "smaller" bodybuilder has far superior shape detail and seperations, as ronnie does to dorian.

your 'inferior muscularity' comment is flawed:

why?

because muscularity is not simply about size.

its about size with shape and detail.

257 pounds of not so shapely and not as detailed muscle

will get beat

by 247 pounds of much more detailed and shapely muscle.

It happens all the time in this sport.

Flex over bigger guys
Ronnie over bigger guys in 98 (nasser)
shawn over bigger guys his entire career.

you can't just look at size and say the muscularity is inferior.

it is about so much more than that.

you should know - you think Ronnie 99 is the greatest of all time.

for example, look a the DRASTIC difference in muscular quality of ronnie vs dorian in this comparison:

it is the exact reason that dorian's 'size advantage' of a few pounds means nothing.

he would still get defeated quite easily:

[NeoSeminole]

front lat spread - Yates (only an idiot would say Coleman, his lats are invisible, two outsiders came in an clearly said Yates was untouchable in the front lat on iceman's comparo)

how pathetic. When getbig had a poll and the majority voted for Ronnie, the Dorian nuthuggers claimed it didn't matter b/c most people don't know the judging criteria. However, 2 people said that Dorian beats Ronnie in the lat spread and you cite this as proof that Dorian wins this pose.

Furthermore, it wasn't an accurate comparison b/c each pic was taken from a different angle. The pic of Dorian was shot from below, which exposes more of his lats. This gives him a tremendous advantage in a front lat spread comparison. It would be like comparing a most muscular pic of Dorian taken from the side to a most muscular shot of Ronnie facing the camera.

rear double biceps - Yates

too close to decide; it comes down to personal preference.

rear lat spread - Yates

too close to decide; it comes down to personal preference.