Dorian Yates kicks Ronnie's ass Hulkster is a punk Bitch and fuck any truce

[pobrecito]

wrong. Ronnie was 247 at the 2001 AC and Chris Cormeir was 257 at the same show.

and Ronnie blew Chris off the stage that night.

so, a 10 pound weight advantage means nothing if the "smaller" bodybuilder has far superior shape detail and seperations, as ronnie does to dorian.

your 'inferior muscularity' comment is flawed:

why?

because muscularity is not simply about size.

its about size with shape and detail.

257 pounds of not so shapely and not as detailed muscle

will get beat

by 247 pounds of much more detailed and shapely muscle.

It happens all the time in this sport.

Flex over bigger guys
Ronnie over bigger guys in 98 (nasser)
shawn over bigger guys his entire career.

you can't just look at size and say the muscularity is inferior.

it is about so much more than that.

you should know - you think Ronnie 99 is the greatest of all time.

for example, look a the DRASTIC difference in muscular quality of ronnie vs dorian in this comparison:

it is the exact reason that dorian's 'size advantage' of a few pounds means nothing.

he would still get defeated quite easily:

This fool just compared Chris Cormier to Dorian Yates hahahahahah

let me help you out a bit here.

Dorian in Chris' 257lb Condition would be 275lbs.

Hope this helps

[pobrecito]

too close to decide; it comes down to personal preference.

Then why did you give those two mandatories to Coleman when adding up the totals?

[NeoSeminole]

Then why did you give those two mandatories to Coleman when adding up the totals?

I see what happened now. I didn't give Ronnie points for both those mandatories like you say. I added a point for both Ronnie and Dorian for the first tie, but I forgot to do it for the second. It should say "Ronnie wins 6 to 4," or "4 to 2" if you don't count the ties.

[The Heckler]

these shots of Ronnie are unmatched by Dorian.

Wait, I think I agree after all.

[NarcissisticDeity]

yawn, Peter McGough says that Ronnie has the best back of all-time.

That means what? Samir , Rhul and Ronnie all said Dorian did 

[NarcissisticDeity]

how the f*ck did you own me with that quote?

Easy because its true when you're super-sharp you look super-big like Dorian who looked super-sharp in 1995 and was already super-big hence he would look even bigger , Ronnie 01 looks like he's 260 Dorian looks like he's 275 

[NarcissisticDeity]

This fool just compared Chris Cormier to Dorian Yates hahahahahah

let me help you out a bit here.

Dorian in Chris' 257lb Condition would be 275lbs.

Hope this helps

Hulkster owned ( again ) lol great post !

[NarcissisticDeity]

front double biceps - Dorian
front lat spread - Dorian
side chest -Dorian
rear double biceps - Dorian
rear lat spread - Dorian
side triceps - Dorian
abs-and-thighs - Dorian
most muscular - Dorian

Dorian wins 8 out of 8.

Fixed 

[IceCold]

are you fucking blind ahahah. ronnie is destroying him in thickness and every other bodypart is dwarfing dorians especially his tiny chest in the pic ahahah. ronnies lats look massive.

no, i disagree.

that's fine though if you think differently.

but i agree with ronnie coleman when he said that yates has the thickest freakiest back ever.

is your word more valid than ronnie's himself?  is ronnie also blind?

didnt think so. 

[natural al]

the thing is there's something new on this thread everyday, new info, new arguements with a fresh approach, new pics...it's not like the exact same thing it was 875 pages ago, it's so englightening

[NarcissisticDeity]

the thing is there's something new on this thread everyday, new info, new arguements with a fresh approach, new pics...it's not like the exact same thing it was 875 pages ago, it's so englightening

Great post !

[Iceman1981]

Ronnie's rear lat blows.....it's about as good as Nasser's in this shot which gets annihilated by Diesel.

If Coleman's rear latspread blows? What's with all of the loose skin on yates lower back when he does the rear latspread. Notice how Coleman's lower back is tighter in the rear lat spread.

[Iceman1981]

same old excuse.

1 year from now you will still be waiting to see if I "change sides" hahahahaha

Truth of the matter is, I have always favored Dorian, ever since I start following bodybuilding. I have also liked Ronnie, his character is unmatched in the sport. The 99 screencaps of Ronnie just blew me away.....but many of Yates' pictures also blow me away....many of which were posted by ND after page 500 or so. I am sick of having to regurgitate this for you....so quit making your f*ggoty excuses and address my posts instead of using your same old cop-out. Based on your position in this thread, it is your duty to rebutt any statement I make, regardless of which "side" I am on.


As far as your 01ASC picture, I am not even sure how Ronnie is beating Cormier there

If you have always favored dorian, you would of been a yates fan from the first day you posted on this thread. If you have always liked yates more than Ronnie, you would of never said that Ronnie wins every pose except the side tri and ab & thigh. You're just a 2 face liar trying to take back what you said before. Do us a favor and leave. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

If you don't know how Ronnie is beating Cormier in that shot, why the hell are you even on this thread?

[Iceman1981]

Great post !

LOL. I'll have to agree with that to. Something new to talk about everyday.

[IceCold]

If Coleman's rear latspread blows? What's with all of the loose skin on yates lower back when he does the rear latspread. Notice how Coleman's lower back is tighter in the rear lat spread.

coleman's entire back got worse as he got older/bigger.

even in 04, cutler caught him from the lat spread.

lower lats, thicker traps, better xmas tree, calves, rear delts, etc.

[NeoSeminole]

Easy because its true when you're super-sharp you look super-big like Dorian who looked super-sharp in 1995 and was already super-big hence he would look even bigger , Ronnie 01 looks like he's 260 Dorian looks like he's 275

Get out of here with that shit. 95 Dorian was only 13 lbs more than 01 ASC Ronnie. There's no reason why Dorian would look superbig yet Ronnie would look small. I could understand if maybe there was a 30 lbs difference between them. Furthermore, a person who knows more about bodybuilding criteria than you said Ronnie looked 20 lbs heavier than he weighed at the Arnold. This would put him at 267 lbs compared to 275 lbs, which you claim Dorian looked like in 95.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Get out of here with that shit. 95 Dorian was only 13 lbs more than 01 ASC Ronnie. There's no reason why Dorian would look superbig yet Ronnie would look small. I could understand if maybe there was a 30 lbs difference between them. Furthermore, a person who knows more about bodybuilding criteria than you said Ronnie looked 20 lbs heavier than he weighed at the Arnold. This would put him at 267 lbs compared to 275 lbs, which you claim Dorian looked like in 95.

ONLY 13 pounds? look at the difference between Ronnie 1998 and Ronnie 1999 with just a 7 pound advantage , big difference ! don't try and negate and obvious size advantage for Yates 13 pounds is lot , and Dorian at 260 pounds would make Ronnie look small absolutely

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian does the rear latspread correctly , he doesn't have his legs akimbo

The criteria

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized
as these comparisons will help the judge to decide
which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of
muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and
definition.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will
place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then
contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the
rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed
during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly
forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles.
The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again
conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

notice how many times they refer to the word calves and and density

[NarcissisticDeity]

Dorian in an interview from 2004


4. A lot of people say that you are the only pro bodybuilder that could go head to head with Ronnie Coleman.  Like him, you were the only other to be able to gain so much mass in one year. What are your thoughts on this?


A. I get asked that question all the time, and I can’t really give an answer.  I have actually beaten Ronnie, but then he wasn’t at the stage he is now.  He is probably carrying more muscle than I did, but I feel I had better conditioning than him.  It would be close but that’s down to the judge’s decision as always.  All the things that we have in common – Lee Haney, Ronnie Coleman and myself – is that we are all stable mentally, training hard, not messing around partying.  You have to keep the focus and it’s usually the mind that is the deciding factor, over physical capabilities.


better conditioning , thats obvious

[NeoSeminole]

ONLY 13 pounds? look at the difference between Ronnie 1998 and Ronnie 1999 with just a 7 pound advantage , big difference ! don't try and negate and obvious size advantage for Yates 13 pounds is lot , and Dorian at 260 pounds would make Ronnie look small absolutely

bwahahahahaha, you are so f*cking dumb. Numbers mean nothing if pics show different. I already demonstrated that Ronnie was bigger at the 01 ASC than he was in 98 even though he weighed slightly less. I even quoted more than one person as saying that Ronnie looked huge. They wouldn't say that about him if he was small. If you are comparing who has greater total surface area, then Dorian wins b/c of his enormous midsection and thicker joints. However, the difference in muscular bulk is not a lot.

[Iceman1981]

coleman's entire back got worse as he got older/bigger.

even in 04, cutler caught him from the lat spread.

lower lats, thicker traps, better xmas tree, calves, rear delts, etc.

What are you talking about. Coleman's back is thicker, tighter and more detailed. Rear delts are better and arms are bigger, hams and glutes are better. Hell, even Coleman's calves look good in this shot compared to Cutler. Look how smooth Cutler's back is, no detail. Plus, Cutler has loose skin in his lower back like yates in this pose. Cutler has Smooth hams and glutes. I don't see how Cutleer looks better than Coleman.

Both pics of yates you posted, he still has loose skin in his lower back.

[NarcissisticDeity]

bwahahahahaha, you are so f*cking dumb. Numbers mean nothing if pics show different. I already demonstrated that Ronnie was bigger at the 01 ASC than he was in 98 even though he weighed slightly less. I even quoted more than one person as saying that Ronnie looked huge. They wouldn't say that about him if he was small. If you are comparing who has greater total surface area, then Dorian wins b/c of his enormous midsection and thicker joints. However, the difference in muscular bulk is not a lot.

No you're dead wrong numbers most certainly mean a LOT and again 13 pounds is a HUGE difference again just look at Ronnie 1998 to 1999 with just a 7 pounds weight advantage , and its your opinion Ronnie was ' bigger ' in 01 VS 1998 he is very , very similar

And again you're missing the point , I'm not arguing Ronnie didn't look bigger in 2001 , and the quote applies when you're super-sharp you appear super-huge , o.k. Ronnie look liked he weighed 20 pounds more that would bring him up to ' 267 ' and Dorian was super-sharp and super-huge at 260 pounds that that would bring him up to 280 

the difference is muscular bulk is a LOT 13 pounds is a huge difference and FYI Ronnie's midsection was HUGE as well in 2001 , more narrow but huge none-the-less

[NarcissisticDeity]

What are you talking about. Coleman's back is thicker, tighter and more detailed. Rear delts are better and arms are bigger, hams and glutes are better. Hell, even Coleman's calves look good in this shot compared to Cutler. Look how smooth Cutler's back is, no detail. Plus, Cutler has loose skin in his lower back like yates in this pose. Cutler has Smooth hams and glutes. I don't see how Cutleer looks better than Coleman.

Both pics of yates you posted, he still has loose skin in his lower back.

Dorian doesn't have loose skin , thats wrinkles thats not fat or water , get serious and you have the balls to post a pic of Ronnie 2004 and in the same sentence type he's tighter and more detailed lol insanely stupid post.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Interview with David Robson

[ Q ] What were some of your better physical qualities as a bodybuilder, do you think?

      Obviously I carried a lot of muscle mass and my trademark was to come into a show in super hard condition. I think my muscles had a certain quality and density from all the years of heavy training that a lot of guys didn't have.



      One thing that I think people underrated me on - it was never really mentioned because of my sheer physical size and condition - was my balance and proportion. Not only from muscle group to muscle group, but from upper body to lower body. My skeletal structure and everything else was there and in good balance.

See I've always maintained this from day-one ! outstanding conditioning and balance & proportion ! it really is satisfying to have your opinion verified after the fact , it shows I know my shit !! more than most can say on the topic

God-damn I love being right !! 

[NeoSeminole]

Dorian does the rear latspread correctly , he doesn't have his legs akimbo

The criteria

The comparisons of the compulsory poses cannot be overemphasized as these comparisons will help the judge to decide which competitor has the superior physique from the standpoint of muscular bulk, balanced development, muscular density and definition.

Back Lat Spread (see Figure 5)
Standing with his back to the judges, the competitor will place his hands on his waist with his elbows kept wide,
one foot back and resting on the toes. He will then contract the latissimus dorsi as wide as possible and
display a calf contraction by pressing downward on the rear toes. The competitor should make an effort to
display the opposite calf to that which was displayed during the back double biceps pose so the the judge may
assess both calf muscle equally. It shall be strictly forbidden for the competitor to pull up on the posing
trunks so as to show the gluteus maximus muscles. The judge will look for a good spread of the latissimus
dorsi, but also for good muscle density and will again conclude with the head-to-foot survey.

notice how many times they refer to the word calves and and density

yawn, Ronnie's back is just as wide and thicker than Dorian's. He also has better arms, glutes, and hamstrings. A strong argument can be made for why Ronnie wins the rear lat spread. However, I can also see why someone may feel that Dorian wins. Neither convincingly beats the other in this pose. This is why I call it a tie.